What else can these strippers do?
theDirkDiggler
Illinois
It's often been discussed how strip clubs are in decline and there is no good talent working at many clubs, which is part of the problem. But i don't really think it is a chicken egg situation (few paying customers means fewer dancers will work; the problem is almost definitely stemming more from the customer side then from the business/girls). Anyway, a lot of hot girls aren't going into the business or they're not staying in the business. The reasoning is if they're only going to be making a couple hundred or similar on a typical night, there are other, easier more respectable options. What exactly are those?
What else can these strippers do? The typical stripper isn't a good student, despite what many would want you to think. Many of them are even worse with money management, so their answer for living the way they want is more money. There aren't really easy, well paying jobs for girls with little to no experience and education. Breastaurant, waitress, bartender? Those are the obvious answers and most of those don't pay that well. It's a different hustle and skill set. Let's not forget about the girls that have true addictions and need fast cash money to support those.
I just feel that once a girl has lasted over a year in the club, and is doing relatively well at it (say making at least 2 to 3 times in the few hours that she works compared to what she would make working a full time civilian job), she's going to have a hard time getting out unless she has a good head on her shoulders and a real plan and the discipline to work it. Now there's the possibility that strip clubs can further decline where even the hot girls aren't making any more than they would at an average civilian job, not factoring extras, which aren't available in all clubs, as well as OTC. In which case the strip club as we know it might be no longer :(
What else can these strippers do? The typical stripper isn't a good student, despite what many would want you to think. Many of them are even worse with money management, so their answer for living the way they want is more money. There aren't really easy, well paying jobs for girls with little to no experience and education. Breastaurant, waitress, bartender? Those are the obvious answers and most of those don't pay that well. It's a different hustle and skill set. Let's not forget about the girls that have true addictions and need fast cash money to support those.
I just feel that once a girl has lasted over a year in the club, and is doing relatively well at it (say making at least 2 to 3 times in the few hours that she works compared to what she would make working a full time civilian job), she's going to have a hard time getting out unless she has a good head on her shoulders and a real plan and the discipline to work it. Now there's the possibility that strip clubs can further decline where even the hot girls aren't making any more than they would at an average civilian job, not factoring extras, which aren't available in all clubs, as well as OTC. In which case the strip club as we know it might be no longer :(
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So Burger King University might be their next stop if they were lying about dancing to make money for school. ;)
As a dancer ages - she can lose opportunities to younger girls. The dancers are independent contractors - so they don’t have paid time off, benefits (healthcare/401k, etc). These are things that matter more as one ages.
If a girl gets into dancing at a young age (around 20) and she becomes accustomed with making lots of cash each night she works - then certain things will become expected - that won’t be available in more traditional jobs. As she ages - her income will increase - as she learns to work the club more efficiently. However, there will be a peak, that she will hit at an earlier age (than most traditional jobs), and then her income may decline. After this decline begins, it might become difficult, as money management skills (developed in more traditional jobs) might not be instilled in the dancer.
The dancing profession is a difficult one to put on a resume to be perceived in a positive way. There are perceptions - that may be true or false - but they remain. So I think working as a dancer still puts most dancers at entry level jobs (even after working for several years). Then you add in the fact that most dancers have become accustomed to taking home more cash - than most entry level jobs will pay - and it’s a difficult situation.
The skills developed by most dancers might be suited to direct sales or to starting up a small business. But - getting start up capital for a small business - can be difficult for a dancer due to negative perceptions. So it’s not an easy job to move on from.
They are the exceptions, for sure!
I’m sure if a cam girl has a large following (like a dancer with lots of regulars) it could make for a good steady stream of income.
If the cam company withholds taxes - that would be a good thing too.
I think calling the death of strip clubs is a bit premature, but I don't see why we wouldn't see the same trends as now:
- Some girls will go into typical "legit" stripper professions: cosmetologist, hostess, etc.
- Some girls will move elsewhere into the sex industry. The best opportunities for low- and no-extras girls will be in camming (which I hope dies), professional domination (which is far more work than most strippers will want to do, plus can't support a much bigger population), sensual massage (for those willing to give HJ), and arrangements/sugaring. You'd think arrangements would not be a good choice for a no-extras stripper, but IMO many of those strippers who could not cross the line in a strip club for random customers, can find a way to convince themselves "it's just one guy, he gives me a lot of benefits and I really like him anyway so I might as well get paid for it!"
If a cam girl has a large following - I’d think she would make good money.
I wonder if cam girls can deduct their rent expenses - as it’s similar to running a business from a home.
I don’t really see strip clubs dying off completely. It’s a variation onto itself and where there is a demand, there will be a supply. But the options on the demand side are also greater than ever before too.
Girls who only dabbled in the sc don’t count. The turn over is so high and so many girls hardly make a thing dancing and go back to stuff like waitressing, career welfare/student, and retail.
I disagree. It's far cheaper and easier to run a dive/mid tier club in a smaller municipality than a large high end establishment in a large city, carrying a whole order of magnitude greater overhead.
Like your track analogy, the SC future might be in simulcasting. I already see it in a few clubs I know the management, who use IG Live frequently, much to my ire.
@BJ
Yes, the only girls I've known to move upward after dancing have been able to secure a beneficial relationship. There are 2 I know who did well who had good jobs and only used dancing as supplemental income.
You have an inquisitive mind on this subject and post some good stuff. Might I suggest that in order to gain the insight you seem to desire into the minds of your subjects, you take a sojourn into the life and try dating one or two for a period. It will reveal you want to know.
Stripper economics: The girls have a decent amount of $$ come thru their hands daily. The by far biggest issue (and I'll defer to BJ on this for agreement) is the daily nature of this earning. Living day to day is the Worst financial problem to have. A girl I dated made regular bank but spent so much daily on living that she never saw most of that money. Then was usually strapped come end of month.
It really was not what most people here like to joke about girls spending frivolously, it was just not being able to budget on a monthly basis for her responsibilities as most people do.
Degrade them if that makes one feel better about oneself but they really aren't THAT much different from the Pop as a whole. A ton of women have money/spending issues the same.
Also i don't know how feasible it is to make good money on IG. It might be easier than Youtube right now, but i imagine as every hot or not so hot girl (stripper or not) tries to do it, it will only become harder to do so (there is only a finite number of followers) and the one that do really well also require a certain business/marketing skill set that only a very small number of people in general have.
Stripping is kind of like gambling. The worst thing is to be quite good at it (but not good enough to retire from it) as these people tend to lose the most or not have much at all to show for it despite staying in the "habit" way too long.
As a source of porn, it's not great. However, when I dabbled in it, it met two needs:
1) I couldn't leave the house for a while, so it provided some interactive naked entertaining
2) I did get a thrill from finding newbies and talking them into doing stuff they probably weren't planning on
There is some possibility of OTC (off the camera) action, but it's not much since most cam girls don't allow their cam to be viewed by people in same geographic area
I’m an exception in this but I didn’t start dancing until later in life, so I already have credit and long term investments. I use several sinking funds to pay bills, and never “need” money. But I see freedom as lack of worry, rather than not giving a shit.
Even for me tho, it’s difficult to take the massive cut of paying taxes, in order to gain credit and maintain legitimate income. I do it, but I try so hard not to think ab it.
It might sound pessimistic - but strip clubs offer girls a chance to make money - when they have made a series of poor decisions that have provided bad outcomes. If that is the case - there should always be a supply of girls who need money - and who don’t have other profitable skills. In some cases I’ve found dancers who don’t really even know how to dance - which makes the girl a target (at least for me).
As much as we think there is a major shift in men’s desires for online vs face to face interaction - I think there will remain a demand (from aging men) to enjoy the company of sexy younger women. So I think there might be a shift in demand for the club experience - but I still believe there will be a supply (out of luck girls) of dancers - and a demand (old guys with needs and money) - to keep the industry going.
Well that makes even worse somehow. At least making it rain in a sc you have live women.
Yes, i was much more curious about what the dancers do to get out. I think an exit strategy is critical for ever dancer to have going into this. Many of those exit strategies become less and less attractive the longer a girl does this though.
As for the viability of strip clubs, i stand with the belief that the demand is more important than the supply right now and in the future. There is no shortage of attractive young women that want to make the quick easy big bucks, but there is no such thing right now. Heck, it's hard just to make either (quick or easy money let alone big, which has never been easy). The guys willing to regularly spend the big bucks on the modern average strip club experience (and that varies considerably) is dwindling IMO.
Internet porn, cam sites, online escorts, etc., have been around for the roughly 17 years that high speed Internet has been widely available, so the cause and effect theory that online options are replacing clubs does not completely compute. Now to be sure some younger hobbyists may be more comfortable going online, but a certain % will always want the in person experience.
In fact, cam girls and others were also making more scratch before the downturn and have suffered more since. If the replacement theory really held true, they should have been seeing an uptick in their earnings over those years, not a decrease. The far more likely explanation is that, with less discretionary money to spend on adult entertainers, everyone suffered.
Anyway, I have mixed feelings about all of this. While in one respect I like the increased activity I am seeing in clubs, I am not enjoying the inflation that has come along with it. ;)
The current view of the younger generations might change as they age. Most of the folks who are very involved online - are young - and they probably have the sexual interaction they desire. As they age - and as their marriages and sex lives change - they may seek out other means of finding satisfaction.
My comments are simple speculation - and I have no idea where things will go. I think strip clubs and prostitution will be around for awhile.
Most of your options are still sex work and often related to strip clubbing. Sugar babies and escorts often use strip clubs to get SDs and johns. Quite a few strippers supplement with camming on slow days. Porn stars still feature every now and then at strip clubs. It's not really leaving the business. The other hot civvie jobs (bartending/breastaurants, etc) are still sex-appeal jobs but yes legitimately mainstream jobs.
It is true that women have come a long way, and i'm not implying a limit or ceiling to what they can do, but even in the real world in these times, the world is not a young person's oyster. Experience and education/knowledge/skills matter. It gets harder to get real world versions of those the longer you stay in the bizarro world known as strip clubs.
Those who allow are making a killing.
Those who think they have GPS losing more to the girls mentioned above.
If they allow touching they can make minimum $80 per hour compared to $11 per hr as waitress.
Most of the hot girls are lazy too.They need to cut each guy that enters the club and should not waste time on one guy .