What else can these strippers do?

It's still one of the world's oldest professions next to whatever the "john" did to make the money to be able to spend on the stripper. So for as long as there are men and women, and there are men that like women, there will always be a market for the club. But to your original question, it all depends on what they are doing to prepare for their next career. Like with any job or career, the market demands change and your skillsets become obsolete. There was a time when installing TV antennas on the roofs of houses was a very well paying job. Then when cable and satellite TV started to emerge, some of those guys learned the new trades. The ones that didn't got jobs flipping burgers in a fast food joint.

So Burger King University might be their next stop if they were lying about dancing to make money for school. ;)

They all think they are gonna be “instafamous” on Instagram or sugar babies.

I think shailynn has it right. Instagram, sugar, online escorting in its various forms, and so forth. I don’t think the market overall is down in the sex world. But I do think strip clubs are old school to a lot of folks. In short, the big change has been due to electronic connections.

I believe extras are the number 1 factor running hot girls out of the strip clubs. If they wanted to be hookers they would be.

In my view, stripping is a difficult long term source of employment. There are several pitfalls in the profession that don’t support viable long term employment.

As a dancer ages - she can lose opportunities to younger girls. The dancers are independent contractors - so they don’t have paid time off, benefits (healthcare/401k, etc). These are things that matter more as one ages.

If a girl gets into dancing at a young age (around 20) and she becomes accustomed with making lots of cash each night she works - then certain things will become expected - that won’t be available in more traditional jobs. As she ages - her income will increase - as she learns to work the club more efficiently. However, there will be a peak, that she will hit at an earlier age (than most traditional jobs), and then her income may decline. After this decline begins, it might become difficult, as money management skills (developed in more traditional jobs) might not be instilled in the dancer.

The dancing profession is a difficult one to put on a resume to be perceived in a positive way. There are perceptions - that may be true or false - but they remain. So I think working as a dancer still puts most dancers at entry level jobs (even after working for several years). Then you add in the fact that most dancers have become accustomed to taking home more cash - than most entry level jobs will pay - and it’s a difficult situation.

The skills developed by most dancers might be suited to direct sales or to starting up a small business. But - getting start up capital for a small business - can be difficult for a dancer due to negative perceptions. So it’s not an easy job to move on from.

I remember a dancer who left the club to work at Ikea. She came back after six months. She complained to me that she only made $11 an hour, they withheld income tax and FICA, and “they expected me to work all the time.”

A few years ago the hot topic was about girls switching to camgirls instead of stripping. Now the topic is sugar babies. There's probably something to both ideas, but I'll take strippers.

my CF has worked at her current club for 3 years and some change and she still works there. she has 2 kids---and although i don't know for sure--she's probably a single mom. she typically only works 3 nights a week. i've always wondered how working only 3 nights a week is enough to support 3 people. its not a big deal to me or anything, its just something i've always been curious about. i don't get the feeling that she has another job

I think the cam girl industry has had a profound effect on the quality of dancers as wallanon mentioned. The better cam girls make as much as any dancer, and they can do it at home. A dancer friend who went to camming, and she says she'll never dance again even though she's still in her 20's. She was quite popular in the club too.

My ATF could be the "poster child" for the successful stripper! And my last CF wouldn't be all that far behind.

They are the exceptions, for sure!

It’s interesting that cam girls can make as much as dancers. There are benefits to being a cam girl - as opposed to a dancer. I’m guessing that cam girls work more hours - but I don’t know anything about it.

I’m sure if a cam girl has a large following (like a dancer with lots of regulars) it could make for a good steady stream of income.

If the cam company withholds taxes - that would be a good thing too.

OK, I gonna plead ignorance here. "Camgirl" is not a term I am familiar with, unless it is what I am thinking. Would she be one that you see on site that sit there trying to entice "private" shows? If so, and guys pay for these shows, wouldn't just going to a porn site be free and much more explicit?

I just dont believe camming has the same "income ceiling" as stripping. No way there are so many saps willing to pay for it. Its too similar to porn. And porn is free. You have to be a real chump to give money to those camgirls.

On sw, "camming sucks right now" thread has 520 pages. "Camming rocks right now" has 317 pages. Both started in 2012.

Like chess, I don't "get" camming -- I just plain don't understand why guys pay for this, and never will. And that probably colors my view of camming in general.

I think calling the death of strip clubs is a bit premature, but I don't see why we wouldn't see the same trends as now:

• Some girls will go into typical "legit" stripper professions: cosmetologist, hostess, etc.
• Some girls will move elsewhere into the sex industry. The best opportunities for low- and no-extras girls will be in camming (which I hope dies), professional domination (which is far more work than most strippers will want to do, plus can't support a much bigger population), sensual massage (for those willing to give HJ), and arrangements/sugaring. You'd think arrangements would not be a good choice for a no-extras stripper, but IMO many of those strippers who could not cross the line in a strip club for random customers, can find a way to convince themselves "it's just one guy, he gives me a lot of benefits and I really like him anyway so I might as well get paid for it!"

The cam thing doesn’t appeal to me. However, I’m probably not part of the target market. I’m a baby boomer - and I would rather watch free porn. I know the cam girls offer a personal type of service - but it’s still like watching online porn (in my opinion).

If a cam girl has a large following - I’d think she would make good money.

I wonder if cam girls can deduct their rent expenses - as it’s similar to running a business from a home.

I don’t get the cam thing either but there is a market for it apparently. I think the sex market has become so diffuse that there are a lot of options. And once a lady makes good money in the biz, I think it’s hard for them to go with a downwardly mobile lifestyle. So there are more options in sex work available to strippers than ever before.

I don’t really see strip clubs dying off completely. It’s a variation onto itself and where there is a demand, there will be a supply. But the options on the demand side are also greater than ever before too.

I don’t know a single girl who left the club to be a cam girl. Most of the dancers I know would be so bored, and others just aren’t that organized and self disciplined. The girls I know who left have good sugar daddies, and also have some other kind of work, like real estate, actual massage, or are in school for something like nursing. Guys offer girls a generous allowance but really want them to pursue some other field. I also know girls who became house wives. I plan on getting an office manager job, or online tarot reading, when I get out of it.

Girls who only dabbled in the sc don’t count. The turn over is so high and so many girls hardly make a thing dancing and go back to stuff like waitressing, career welfare/student, and retail.

Life is an ever changing endeavor and demographics are ending strip clubs. Soon clubs will be like Horse Racing. There used to be a lot of horse racing venues in America and about 5- 8 % remain simply because other entertainment surpassed them. Now a few remain so that simulcasting can run. New England had one time had 5 Standard bred tracks; 5 Thouroughbred tracks and 10 dog tracks. One harness track remains and they live off the attached casino and simulcasting. Clubs will remain in the big cities, but only the large upscale ones will survive and the rest will disappear. Cams, internet porn etc. hurt, but not as much as the fact that the last two generations grew up on line and are ill suited to face to face social contact. That is a killer for clubs. Making it rain, as retarded as it seems, is simply a way to show off, but more importantly, avoid physical contact. Add in the fact old white guys are dying off and strip clubbing is for people with money and there you have it.

@Ski I disagree. It's far cheaper and easier to run a dive/mid tier club in a smaller municipality than a large high end establishment in a large city, carrying a whole order of magnitude greater overhead. Like your track analogy, the SC future might be in simulcasting. I already see it in a few clubs I know the management, who use IG Live frequently, much to my ire. @BJ Yes, the only girls I've known to move upward after dancing have been able to secure a beneficial relationship. There are 2 I know who did well who had good jobs and only used dancing as supplemental income.

@Dirk You have an inquisitive mind on this subject and post some good stuff. Might I suggest that in order to gain the insight you seem to desire into the minds of your subjects, you take a sojourn into the life and try dating one or two for a period. It will reveal you want to know.

Stripper economics: The girls have a decent amount of $$ come thru their hands daily. The by far biggest issue (and I'll defer to BJ on this for agreement) is the daily nature of this earning. Living day to day is the Worst financial problem to have. A girl I dated made regular bank but spent so much daily on living that she never saw most of that money. Then was usually strapped come end of month. It really was not what most people here like to joke about girls spending frivolously, it was just not being able to budget on a monthly basis for her responsibilities as most people do. Degrade them if that makes one feel better about oneself but they really aren't THAT much different from the Pop as a whole. A ton of women have money/spending issues the same.

I think that camming will die down well before strip clubs. That industry is just so saturated and will continue to get even more saturated by the day and has way higher turnover and attrition. There is no income stability or predictability on the high end and for the girls that make consistent money while "working" long hours will scrape together money maybe comparable to a full time civilian job which is completely the opposite of the benefits of stripping (high income, low hours, more freedom) and sounds much more like a civilian job (self-employed).

Also i don't know how feasible it is to make good money on IG. It might be easier than Youtube right now, but i imagine as every hot or not so hot girl (stripper or not) tries to do it, it will only become harder to do so (there is only a finite number of followers) and the one that do really well also require a certain business/marketing skill set that only a very small number of people in general have.

Stripping is kind of like gambling. The worst thing is to be quite good at it (but not good enough to retire from it) as these people tend to lose the most or not have much at all to show for it despite staying in the "habit" way too long.

Tipping cam girls is a lot like making it rain. It's done more for showing off to the other guys in the room, to get your name on the "high tipper" board, or to get the girl to tell out your name.

As a source of porn, it's not great. However, when I dabbled in it, it met two needs:

1. I couldn't leave the house for a while, so it provided some interactive naked entertaining
2. I did get a thrill from finding newbies and talking them into doing stuff they probably weren't planning on

There is some possibility of OTC (off the camera) action, but it's not much since most cam girls don't allow their cam to be viewed by people in same geographic area

@ lick, I agree that the day to day nature of the cash flow, and that fact that it is cash, is the biggest problem with not saving. It’s not that strippers are dumber than most people, or even worse with money, but most people are forced to into a more stable financial life bc they don’t have that quantity of daily and gavebto get regular jobs and build credit. Regular job are useful for credit and making large purchases. Most people are in debt, but are also building stability and equity in job security, credit score, and housing.

I’m an exception in this but I didn’t start dancing until later in life, so I already have credit and long term investments. I use several sinking funds to pay bills, and never “need” money. But I see freedom as lack of worry, rather than not giving a shit.

Even for me tho, it’s difficult to take the massive cut of paying taxes, in order to gain credit and maintain legitimate income. I do it, but I try so hard not to think ab it.

Initially I thought this was a discussion of what dancers might do once they end their dancing careers. In terms of what might happen to the strip clubbing industry - I’m not sure.

It might sound pessimistic - but strip clubs offer girls a chance to make money - when they have made a series of poor decisions that have provided bad outcomes. If that is the case - there should always be a supply of girls who need money - and who don’t have other profitable skills. In some cases I’ve found dancers who don’t really even know how to dance - which makes the girl a target (at least for me).

As much as we think there is a major shift in men’s desires for online vs face to face interaction - I think there will remain a demand (from aging men) to enjoy the company of sexy younger women. So I think there might be a shift in demand for the club experience - but I still believe there will be a supply (out of luck girls) of dancers - and a demand (old guys with needs and money) - to keep the industry going.

i know one popular sc former dancer that seems to be happy with being a camgirl. she also promotes her porn videos on her cam site. (i miss my personal in my face interactions with her. olivia is such a sweetheart... butt i refuse to pay to watch her on the internet.)

and certainly she is doing otc. maybe even has a sugar daddy or two.

"Tipping cam girls is a lot like making it rain. It's done more for showing off to the other guys in the room, to get your name on the "high tipper" board, or to get the girl to tell out your name."

Well that makes even worse somehow. At least making it rain in a sc you have live women.

^and also, the chance to show off in front of your peers in person.

I’d imagine tipping is more like casting your vote. Like when people vote on those singing shows.

she is in her prime sc years... i'm guessin 23 years of vibrant sexy young lady!

@Cashman Yes, i was much more curious about what the dancers do to get out. I think an exit strategy is critical for ever dancer to have going into this. Many of those exit strategies become less and less attractive the longer a girl does this though.

As for the viability of strip clubs, i stand with the belief that the demand is more important than the supply right now and in the future. There is no shortage of attractive young women that want to make the quick easy big bucks, but there is no such thing right now. Heck, it's hard just to make either (quick or easy money let alone big, which has never been easy). The guys willing to regularly spend the big bucks on the modern average strip club experience (and that varies considerably) is dwindling IMO.

Some of the hottest women I've ever seen in my life, bar none, are cam girls. I don't know where they are, or how much they make, but I'd gives my eye tooth to have my way with the hot ones.

^^^ Not like I’m speaking from experience I have zero interest in cam girls but I’d be willing to bet the hottest ones are prolly those that know how to use makeup and lighting to their advantage I see dozens of super hot women all over my area, South Florida and I would bet the girls you see on cam aren’t all that special IRL.

They can be Backpage hos, sugar babies, camgirls, or pornstars if they have the initiative. Hell, there are a lot of civvie bartending gigs for hot girls. It's also the case that there are more women in universities than men, and almost no career fields are blocked to women, as many were 40 years ago, and some still were 20 years ago. The question is more like What else can't they do?

I keep hearing that strip clubs are on the decline, but that's not what I'm seeing in my home market. In fact, my local clubs are now busier than they've been in a long time. The NYC clubs that I recently visited were hopping as well. I think that some of that decline was due to an economy that struggled for a very long time as well as a lot of people leaving the workforce, but that seems to be turning around now. Yes the weakest clubs closed during this protracted down cycle, but the stronger clubs survived and some are thriving now.

Internet porn, cam sites, online escorts, etc., have been around for the roughly 17 years that high speed Internet has been widely available, so the cause and effect theory that online options are replacing clubs does not completely compute. Now to be sure some younger hobbyists may be more comfortable going online, but a certain % will always want the in person experience.

In fact, cam girls and others were also making more scratch before the downturn and have suffered more since. If the replacement theory really held true, they should have been seeing an uptick in their earnings over those years, not a decrease. The far more likely explanation is that, with less discretionary money to spend on adult entertainers, everyone suffered.

Anyway, I have mixed feelings about all of this. While in one respect I like the increased activity I am seeing in clubs, I am not enjoying the inflation that has come along with it. ;)

@theDirkDiggler I agree - demand will be the driving factor in the eventual success (or failure) of the strip club industry. The fact that folks need money doesn’t mean much unless there are folks who will pay for their services.

The current view of the younger generations might change as they age. Most of the folks who are very involved online - are young - and they probably have the sexual interaction they desire. As they age - and as their marriages and sex lives change - they may seek out other means of finding satisfaction.

My comments are simple speculation - and I have no idea where things will go. I think strip clubs and prostitution will be around for awhile.

@LecherousMonk Most of your options are still sex work and often related to strip clubbing. Sugar babies and escorts often use strip clubs to get SDs and johns. Quite a few strippers supplement with camming on slow days. Porn stars still feature every now and then at strip clubs. It's not really leaving the business. The other hot civvie jobs (bartending/breastaurants, etc) are still sex-appeal jobs but yes legitimately mainstream jobs.

It is true that women have come a long way, and i'm not implying a limit or ceiling to what they can do, but even in the real world in these times, the world is not a young person's oyster. Experience and education/knowledge/skills matter. It gets harder to get real world versions of those the longer you stay in the bizarro world known as strip clubs.

Bring a whole new meaning to truck stop...

The might fare better as Lot Lizards - or at least they would be busy.

Aside from a few references to camming, this thread could have been written in 1985. The main point -- that individual females who end up as strippers generally don't have many other good employment options -- is a simple true-ism whenever you're talking about. I think the change in demographics, which is influencing the strip-club industry and the types of women who end up working in strip clubs, is something independent of that fact. That fact is a fact across the board from early in the days of our Great Republic. But, to the contrary, the reduction in quality and appealingness of strippers is a much more recent phenomenon, born of different factors.

The problem is many hot girls are not willing to be touched topless during lap dances for just $20.00 Those who allow are making a killing. Those who think they have GPS losing more to the girls mentioned above. If they allow touching they can make minimum $80 per hour compared to $11 per hr as waitress. Most of the hot girls are lazy too.They need to cut each guy that enters the club and should not waste time on one guy .

@Db 999 waitresses make way more than 11 dollars an hour you don’t get it they average about 18% of the checks they serve per shift.

What I am hearing about camming is that people buy into it because there is an increasing demand in "custom" porn. Standard porn only allows you to see what they previously recorded leaving the average viewer to fast forward to the exact thing they want to see. Also they have to search for other videos of that porn star to satisfy that need for what they want to see. But the cam gives you what you want made-to-order.