Sit Back and Relax or Take Control?

90% of the time I am proactive mainly my hands groping, but she has to be being proactive also.

good question

there's been times when i've gotten one way dances and i came away thinking they were a better grind than the two way dances

i think the reason why is because when you aren't taking control the girl has more leverage

if that makes any sense--its not the easiest thing to explain

If she has small tits and a smallish ass, I may just sit back and enjoy the grind since there is not that much for me to grab/grope (per my tastes) - if she has big tits and/or ass I won't be able to keep my hands to myself and I'll want to feel her up

I usually let her do her thing and take some control at the end. Depends on the dancer and how she dances according to my tastes

Upon reflection to this inquiry, I find myself to be a take control kind of dude, as opposed to the former.

But situations are varied, obviously. Usually my hands holding a hot dancers hips gets me places I wanna get to without any protest, so control it is =)

It all depends on the club, dancer and how well I know them. I've done both.

Really not a fan of letting a girl be in control when I'm the one paying. Generally I keep her still while my hands and mouth roam her body.

I’m more of a take control kind of guy, although I used to be more sit back and relax. I think to get what you want in a dance you have to be more of a take control.

If she's aggressive and provides a top notch dance then I'll let her lead. But if she isn't providing enough then I'll take control. I prefer to let her do the work since she's the professional

Buying dances is a chump's game.

People talk about it as "having fun", but that just means escapism. Sex acts with a beautiful woman you really like is a lot more than that.

Once you say, "yes I agree to pay for a dance". then she is in the driver's seat, she leads it. She has no need to lower her psychological defenses and open up to you. She will deliver a scripted performance.

The way to lead it yourself is to deflect all dance offers, but to keep on feeding her money. She might go for this, she might not. If she is smart and the club is loosely run, she will accept it. At that point you are in the lead and you direct the way it escalates.

She may decline to let much happen, but if she is smart and the club is run loosely, she will go with it. You will be DFKing her and massaging her front side, and maybe even FIVing her and DATYing her in no time.

If this does not work, send her on her way. But don't be surprised if she comes right back, or if another girl, a smarter one, jumps in to take her place.

Then, as it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room. What happens will be mind blowing for both parties.

As she will by now have extended herself very far with you, be sure to take her home with you after wards and to keep on seeing her OTC regularly.

Best if you pick the girl and visibly extend yourself in approaching her, and pick the one you want to be waking up with in the morning.

SJG

My ATF DS has already dropped her guard with me a long time ago and at the same time I get to massage her all I want and I get plenty of civie GFE dick tease time in the front room and/or at the bar. If I'm not massaging her, I'm massaging my own hard dick and balls with her ass cheeks. I get this on a constant and regulars basis. And as I sit there with a raging hard boner feeling so good that I can't concentrate, she shares tons of personal information about herself and her family with me. For example yesterday it was pictures on her phone of her with her hot sisters at Thanksgiving dinner. And feeding her money during all this time? All I ever pay for is her $5 Red Bull and I get up to 45 minutes of civie dick tease time every time I see her. Basically she will sit with me and give me a boner the entire time she isn't on stage. And then by my choice, I either watch her on stage and then go get dances or we go straight to dances.

As for DFK, neither of us want that. And as to wanting my pants to come down or meet her OTC, I'll pass. My ATF

^ My ATF DS knows I don't want to meet her OTC, so with me she knows I want LDK only from dances and VIPs. And so with me it is an awesome time by full choice to LDK after a bunch of civie dick tease time. Some hard up chump PLs may not want this, but I sure do! It's fun to get a raging boner at the bar that it makes my eyes roll. Then to LDK with a 9 in two to four songs is a great time.

I always sit back and relax so they can do what's comfortable to them.

I like to BE serviced rather than to have to DO the servicing. So if I'm moving around, it's probably in order to adjust location and angle and leverage such that SHE can do more moving around, and I intend to end MY moving around quite soon. Ideally, at least. :)

I prefer the sit back and relax.

SirLapDance, with all due respect, and not trying to give you a hard time, if one has a committed relationship and they want it to work, that pretty much requires strict monogamy, in thought, word and deed.

The only exception to this seems to be swinging, where the Mrs gets to play just as the Mr does.

Now if one's committed relationship is not working, then going to strip clubs is not going to fix it. Going to strip clubs is at best a temporary survival strategy. Been there and doing it intensely myself.

What will be useful in fixing the problem will be either marriage councilors or divorce lawyers. Likely try one, and if it doesn't work, pretty much need to use the other.

Once one has taken the necessary steps, then if they like women, they will probably find those whom they want emotional and physical intimacy with. And the usual way of getting this is not by taking strip club offerings at face value. Rather, its by civilianizing the girl, while still being generous with her, and going from makeout session, to FS, to regular outside liaisons. If you want the girl to open up to you, you have to get under her skin. And in my experience this is not that difficult. Even beautiful young hotties who work in strip clubs are still easy to get to, because most of the guys they deal with refuse any real involvement or emotional openness. The girls are actually very lonely.

A girl is going to look down on a guy who is cheating on his wife, as do I.

But a guy who can make what decision is needed, and then implement it, either fidelity or divorce, she will respect, as do I.

We have a member here who recently made that difficult, but necessary, choice. And I have repeatedly applauded him for this.

So yes, one who is forced to live without real intimacy, but simply by buying dances / ejaculation services, he is a chump and he is a pathetic loser. He is a guy who is living without personal integrity, and this must be looked at before trusting such a guy with anything.

SJG

san_jose_guy "if one has a committed relationship and they want it to work, that pretty much requires strict monogamy, in thought, word and deed."

so you are publicly admitting that you never wanted your marriage to work since you were cheating on your wife in thought, word and deed. now we're making progress

@SJG with all due respect, I don't give a rat's ass about what you say and how you think a woman thinks.

You cheated on your wife with AMP and underground Mexican bar whores. You have no moral standing over anyone. Nor do you have any clue what any woman wants or what she respects. You can't even recount the last time you were in a strip club. You are nothing but a strip club POSER, SJG.

And LMAO my ATF DS and I have tons of mutual respect and just plain fun together. Been doing it for years now. It's an awesome relationship. We are great business friends.

LMAO keep preaching and posing from behind your keyboard, SJG. You don't even club, poser!

This is a good question. To answer you - I will take control at the beginning - to show the dancer what grind I want. Once she’s got things going the way I like - I’ll let her keep it going. Towards the end/finish - I’ll take control again.

SJG - buying dances is far from a chumps game. It can be very pleasurable. A chumps game is thinking the strippers really like you - and they really want to see you outside of the club as a boyfriend. When you pay - and understand she will be interested as long as your money lasts - that’s simply the business of being a strip club customer.

^ @Cashman1234 an even bigger chump's game is blathering about how one should interact with strippers from behind a keyboard on the internet, but then not actually having any recent stripper interactions IRL.

Another big chump's game is a guy talking about how one should handle marriage but he himself failed at his own by cheating on his wife with AMP and underground Mexican bar whores.

SJG is such this chump on both counts.

As stated, he is a strip club POSER, making him the biggest chump on TUSCL. LMAO he doesn't even go to clubs or give any reviews of them.

Depends on the dancer and it depends on my mood. If I'm not getting the dance I want, then I coax her in the right direction. If she's not game, then I'm going to end our session ASAP.

SirLDAlot - we enjoy strip clubs for many reasons - and I am not one to say anyone is doing it wrong. If someone posts and says a dancer really likes him - I’d mention to be aware it could be ss. If he enjoys the whole experience - and feeling like he’s actually found a gf - there’s no additional need to continue to voice an opinion - as he’s going to ignore the advice.

I’ve made a boatload of mistakes in my marriage - and I’m responsible for every one of those mistakes. I hope my ex is having the best life - because she deserves it! I’ve got nothing negative to say about her. I can’t comment on others - as I don’t know the full story about anyone’s marriage.

^ @Cashman1234 amen to all your points. It is too bad SJG cannot learn from them, and realize he's the chump drunk on SS and that failed at his own marriage.

And yeah getting dances and pre-dance dick teasing time is very pleasurable and fun, especially with a stripper that wants you to have the most fun possible. It's to the point now with my ATF DS that she looks forward to her massages from me as much as I look forward to having my hard dick and balls rubbed by her ass cheeks. And at most it "costs" me a Red Bull for her to drink. When we are massaging, spooning, and dick/balls/ass playing, we are both at ease with each other and totally comfortable talking about anything. It would be the same great civie time with a hot stripper whether dances, VIP, or OTC followed it. SJG keeps blathering like an idiot that you can't get civie dick tease time if you get dances. He couldn't be more wrong on that count. LOL but we know this already since he doesn't even interact with strippers.

Well said SirLDAlot. Since you have an atf ds - you both have a level of comfort with each other - and you know she will relax and make sure you have a great time. Those experiences are very much worth the money spent! It feels great - it’s incredibly arousing - and you actually enjoy hanging with her!

There can also be incredibly arousing experiences with strippers who you have just met - and who simply click with your desires - and who want to have a good time with a respectful new customer.

The enjoyment is tatamount - not the fact that you are buying dances.

I’m sure we would be treated like kings in a Mexican strip club - or an AMP - if we treated girls well in the front room. It’s not a venue I’ve ever experienced - but the simple fact is that if you treat people well - they will treat you right in return.

If you walk into a strip club - thinking it’s a clip joint and thinking the guys are chumps - then I strongly doubt that you will have a good time.

Forcing you into a situation where you're only option is to purchase dances is of course a clip joint.

Lap dancing used to mean lap sitting. What also went along with that varied widely. But a more free flowing interaction where you lead it instead of expecting the girl to provide a service is always better.

We have had something like this in our underground Mexican bar table dancing circuit.

Buying dances is a chump's game, and clubs which try to prohibit front room physical intimacy just to drive it into the booths and back rooms are clip joints.

And guys who can't seem to understand this are not only chumps, they are idiots.

SJG

And Ishmael, whether it is going to work or not between you and a given dancer, is something better to experiment with in the FRONT ROOM, without that structure of fee for service and 'dances' and song count.

SJG

SJG is a strip club poser chump that has no clue about going to a strip club because he doesn't even go to them. Getting front room civie time is entirely possible in addition to and independent from getting dances or going OTC. I get all the front room civie time that I want with my ATF DS and have done the same even with other strippers that I just met.

LOL SJG is a hard up poser chump that can only talk about going to a strip club, but he never really interacts with them! LMAO as he sits behind a keyboard not getting any stripper action, other PLs actually go to the clubs and get their dick teased and get dances/VIPs/OTCs. LOL and all SJG does is obsess about it without doing jack shit with a stripper. POSER!!!

and SLD is a complete IDIOT, and my feelings go out to the woman who is shackled to such a buffoon.

SJG

^SJG is a strip club poser chump that has no clue about going to a strip club because he doesn't even go to them. Getting front room civie time is entirely possible in addition to and independent from getting dances or going OTC. I get all the front room civie time that I want with my ATF DS and have done the same even with other strippers that I just met.

LOL SJG is a hard up poser chump that can only talk about going to a strip club, but he never really interacts with them! LMAO as he sits behind a keyboard not getting any stripper action, other PLs actually go to the clubs and get their dick teased and get dances/VIPs/OTCs. LOL and all SJG does is obsess about it without doing jack shit with a stripper. POSER!!!

SJG... Stop telling people that they're having fun wrong.

Ishmael, "Having fun" is like escapism, just like alcohol and drugs. I am not talking about such, really I never have.

But I know that SLD and some others see engagement with women as being that way, rather like using them as a drug.

I have nothing whatsoever I would ever say about that.

SJG

^SJG is a strip club poser chump that has no clue about going to a strip club because he doesn't even go to them. Getting front room civie time is entirely possible in addition to and independent from getting dances or going OTC. I get all the front room civie time that I want with my ATF DS and have done the same even with other strippers that I just met.

LOL SJG is a hard up poser chump that can only talk about going to a strip club, but he never really interacts with them! LMAO as he sits behind a keyboard not getting any stripper action, other PLs actually go to the clubs and get their dick teased and get dances/VIPs/OTCs. LOL and all SJG does is obsess about it without doing jack shit with a stripper. POSER!!!

Not everyone wants what you want out of a strip club. Actually, nobody here wants what you want out of a strip club.

Also.... stop telling people that they're having fun wrong.

LMAO "having fun" is fucking having fun. It's that simple. SJG needlessly convolutes the most simple of points because when it comes to strip clubs, he has no clue.

The beautiful young women who dance in strip clubs are REAL, and from that the possibilities are endless.

But the rest of the strip club is just a well oiled machine for taking money off of marks.

So great things can happen if instead of taking it all at face value you simply think it through.

First objective always is to select a girl who really gets to you, and then get her off of her money extraction and service script. She will still be getting money, but what ensues will otherwise be very much different.

Most of the people who really engage with the women have no need or desire to post about it. Throwing pearls before swine was what one said.

SJG

^ LOL says the strip club POSER!!!

Frame it as verbosely as you want. I don't want what you're describing from strippers. And I'm perfectly comfortable with the fun I get out of strippers.

"Most of the people who really engage with the women have no need or desire to post about it."

Uh huh. Then stop.

My first introduction to this was in making out with an extremely cute petite black girl with big tits, at the Pre-Deja Vu S.F. New Century.

The open tongue kissing she was doing on stage with another girl just kind of made it inevitable.

In porno movies they often have that, and I would just FF past it. But f2f, with a girl who is potentially available for me to engage with, it is an overwhelming turn on.

So I just couldn't help but explaining that to her. She responded right away about how much she was enjoying it.

That just makes things happen.

If I had not of been married, and having slipped out from a trade show, I believe that she and I would have been waking up together the next morning.

But as it has been, I am still adjusting my life to try and make it more like the open and adventurous life she must be leading. That she could be that physically open with a total stranger makes her a godsend.

Middle-class life, which I was most certainly leading back then, is death. I am still learning to apply all that I learned on that day.

SJG

That's a great story about not getting laid.

^ LMAO SJG she fed you SS just like a guy that gets dances.

You are too stupid to know that you were a chump that fell for front room civie SS.

You are no more knowledgeable about strip clubs than anybody else.

ROFLMAO try to share a story a little more recent than you at the New Century Theatre back in the 90s.

Poser.

LOL @Ishmael no kidding! Not to mention that Deja Vu has been in SF since the 90s.

LOL He just shared a story where he didn't get laid over 20 years ago!

Some words, but mostly wet and wild DFKing. Under such circumstances, the veracity of her words is not of much importance, though I do believe she was being truthful.

And no SLD, you are out of luck. I have political responsibilities, and so my f2f life is always fire walled off. I can say things here because I know where to draw the line, and I do so.

You think you can keep baiting me and make me reveal more than I want to. That will never work. If I had wanted to say more, I would have already done so.

You are belligerent beyond what I or anyone else would tolerate f2f. Hence, you are a troll, disrespecting this forum and its participants.

SJG

^ LMAO keep posing SJG.

^ LMAO SJG she fed you SS just like a guy that gets dances.

You are too stupid to know that you were a chump that fell for front room civie SS.

You are no more knowledgeable about strip clubs than anybody else.

ROFLMAO try to share a story a little more recent than you at the New Century Theatre back in the 90s.

Poser.

I had a wonderful makeout session with a beautiful girl. The money spent was in significant in comparison.

But I also knew that I had a wife back in San Jose, and that going further with strippers or AMP girls would be a mistake, stupid.

So I changed course and became strictly faithful, in thought word and deed and tried to make it work.

At bottom, all any of us have in this world is our personal integrity.

SJG

^"Obsessing about how another PL has his own personal fun with a stripper because it isn't how you would do it will only exacerbate your own sexual frustration. And it makes you look like a chump."

LOL SJG you cheated on your wife. You have ZERO moral standing over anyone.

And you are still a strip club POSER!!!

SJG posted -> "You think you can keep baiting me and make me reveal more than I want to. That will never work. If I had wanted to say more, I would have already done so."

You are such an idiot by stating the obvious. We all know that you own your own posts and your own privacy. If you "get baited", it's your own stupid fault. Quit trying to deflect the issue on me. What you post is your own doing (DUH!). I am just posting this to highlight how stupid your point was in even making it.

SJG posted -> "You are belligerent beyond what I or anyone else would tolerate f2f. Hence, you are a troll, disrespecting this forum and its participants.

SJG"

Once again you are the idiot here. You are too stupid to realize that YOU and you alone are the only person that I have ever disrespected on TUSCL. Also it is YOU that is disrespectful of anyone that gets dances in a strip club and it is YOU that blathers on and on about how the only way to club is how you do it (LMAO back in the 90s) and that any other way is a "chump's game". You blather on and on about it, but yet YOU don't even go to strip clubs (since the 90s). You don't contribute to anything on TUSCL. You have written ZERO reviews and ZERO articles. And to top it all off, you are, bar none, clearly the most detested TUSCL member currently active.

But your narcissism prevents you from seeing any of this, so instead you lash out at me.

LMAO just face the fact that I know and simply call you out for the poser that you truly are, based on your own damn posts. Attacking me is but your weak attempt at deflection.

POSER!!! (by your own admission...LOL)

The details of SJG’s over 20 year old experience are very specific - and it’s almost as though he relives it every day! His actual knowledge of strip clubs is like an old man’s knowledge of his first Ford purchased in the 1960’s. Those old memories can become better with time (and imagination). The longing for the old times can also create a sense of dislike for how things currently are. It’s a convoluted way of thinking - where the good old times get better - and the present day gets worse.

If we are having a good time by attending strip clubs in the current time - there’s no reason for SJG to cast stones - as he doesn’t live in the present day.

A chump would be a guy who goes to a strip club to find a girlfriend. Then he meets a stripper - who tells him that she will be his girlfriend if he pays her $$$ - and then she tells him to keep coming back and paying her more $$$ with the hope of getting a date - or a kiss - or something more. However - if he’s enjoying it - and he can afford it - let him enjoy it! Life’s too short to get worked up over your perceptions of others mistakes...

I’ll now get down from my soapbox.

^ Amen @Cashman1234! What is funny is knowing that while SJG is behind his keyboard blathering about how others shouldn't get dances and not actually interacting with strippers whatsoever, they are out there having a good time with strippers. I've been a member for two months now and have been subjected to SJG's blathering idiotic trolling about how to interact with a stripper, and during this time I have had dozens of civie and front room dick teasing time and mind blowing LDKs with my ATF DS while he hasn't done jack shit with a stripper! He blathers on and on, getting ZERO stripper action as he does it, while the very same PLs he is calling chumps are getting boners and having good times with actual strippers! LMAO the true chump is SJG posing from behind his keyboard!!!

^ SirLDAlot - you are smart and confident enough to not be discouraged by SJG’s posts - and that’s an important thing to remember. I enjoy clubbing - and I enjoy the selection - and I’ve enjoyed several great times both ITC and OTC. The important thing is that SJG hasn’t had an effect on how we enjoy ourselves.

We can banter back and forth with SJG - and he can continue to call us chumps - but he won’t have any effect on my enjoyment! So - in my view - SJG can shout as loud as he wants - and I’ll still enjoy my time with hot, nearly naked strippers!

^ @Cashman1234 I thoroughly enjoy and have fun the way I interact with strippers and I never gave a rat's ass how SJG did it (LMAO back that one time in the 90s).

I just banter with SJG because he's simply a dickhead narcissist troll and a poser and I like to make it clear that's all he is. As long as he keeps trolling and being a dick to people, then I'm going to troll him hard back. LOL it is fun to read how outdated and disconnected he is from real stripper interactions. He's a fun and easy poser to troll since he is so out of touch and narcissistic. The best part is getting him to the point where all he can do is insult because he has no logical point to make and he has zero credibility in anything he states...all while my ATF DS is giving me a raging boner from civie time at the bar!

At our above ground local strip clubs, there is no touching. But of course some girls offer OTC. About DFKing, that is of course prohibited, but this does not mean it never happens, especially if a girl is mad at the bosses, or if she wants to set up immediate OTC.

There also have been clubs slated for closure anyway, and some extremely friendly girls in those final months.

The underground circuit is of course different.

San Francisco offers of course much more, but the costs are high, and the time and space and choreography of it all, not always that good. And then there was Deja Vu.

I learned early on how to get awesome GFE-FS in AMPs. No there is not locally the front room makeout session, but usually what happens for me in the session room is awesome.

I have engaged in a great deal of marital infidelity, but I also kept in within some bounds, to avoid further problems. The biggest risk of such problems for a married man would be if a girl was emotionally attached, by outside liaisons. Many AMP girls wanted this.

For someone who is trying to make his marriage work, and really is intending to stay married, I say that they must practice strict fidelity in thought, word, and deed. The only exception to this might be Swinger's Clubs, where the Mrs gets to play just like the Mr.

Long ago I was given some priceless advice from a dancer in our local clubs, she having had lots of experience in Deja Vu's out of state LDKing clubs, and elsewhere too.

"Don't use strip clubs for sexual gratification, because that is perverted."

I had to think long and hard about this. If its not good to do that with strip clubs, what are they good for?

My conclusion is that they are good for:

1. Occasional visits to imbibe the sexual aesthetics, the dolled up hotties, and the openness, just like I had imbibed from the super cute black girl. Then you find ways to recreate what you have learned, in your ordinary life.

2. For those extremists, outsiders from ordinary life, strange people, who for some reason want personal relationships with sex workers. Okay, but once you know a girl you see her outside the club.

SJG

Led Zeppelin, full concert, I believe Earl's Court. Awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfwZfGAK…
part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba-LngVj…

Do you like the blues influenced Led Zeppelin with its strong bass, or do you go with the progressive rock which though seemingly blues derived has lost the strong bass? I go with the former. No reason to give up the strong bottom end.

SJG thank you for finally posting your perspective without being a jerk about it. Also I want to mention that it and all your other posts in this thread are completely off topic, but regardless you finally made a point without being too insulting.

I totally understand and get that the Bay Area strip club scene as a whole sucks ass which is why you go the AMP alternative. (I learned my LDK and PL ways at Deja Vu, New Century, and MBOT back in the 90s.) SF's scene is just too expensive for high mileage and extras and the hustle factor is high at all the clubs. And then there are the no touch South Bay clubs which aren't worth it for an LDK PL like me. So if you want more than dances and grinding, your only real bet is MBOT which again is expensive as fuck.

But I ROFLMFAO at the stripper that once told you that using strip clubs for sexual gratification is perverted. No shit it is perverted and who cares? The whole fucking point of a strip club is to provide a sexual fantasy to a man (or woman). In doing so, the whole fucking point is for the man to achieve some level of sexual gratification from the fantasy based on standards that he alone sets for himself for the price he that is willing to pay. ALL PLs are the same "chump" in this regard. It is ALWAYS about the business of sexual gratification. This is regardless your fantasy. Whether it is DFK+FS or spooning at the bar + LDK from dances or just getting a boner at the stage, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day the sole purpose of visiting a strip club is for fucking sexual gratification. And if that is perverted in someone's subjective opinion, then too bad for them. It's the whole point of strip clubs and sex businesses like AMPs.

And you over think what strip clubs are good for. They are good for whatever fantasy you want met at them. If they don't provide your personal sexual gratification, then don't fucking go to them. Just realize that others don't want the same sexual gratification that you do.

Also @SJG honestly getting front room or at the bar dick tease time is really a good time. No DFK needed too. Once again tonight for about 20 minutes at the bar I had the underside of my dick and my balls in between and constantly pressed up against the 40" ass cheeks of my ATF DS. And as she was messing with her phone, I was massaging her and also squeezing and rubbing her ass cheeks on my hard cock and balls to the beat of the music. And also to the music she would wiggle her ass and arch her back into my dick and balls as I grinded up into her. It all felt so damn good. My eyes rolled a couple of times because I got so hard and horny.

And also she was totally open and natural with me. We smoked some weed before even sitting at the bar and we chatted about our days and what we did over the weekend. At the bar she showed me recent dance video footage from her phone.

And all of this cost me nothing. She didn't want a drink or even any tip. She enjoys how I massage her, and I thoroughly enjoy having a constant boner from my dick and balls rubbing into her ass cheeks at the same time.

Then after her stage set, once again after three dances I LDK hard with her in a squatting cowgirl position and my hands grabbing her ass cheeks hard and using them to stroke her pussy OTP up and down my pulsating cock as I grinded into her. Also at the same time she is mutually using her pussy to stroke the underside of my dick. And then after she knew I came hard because I let out a moan, she stick shifts and strokes my spent cock with her hand for some post LDK loving on me. And then just as the third song ends, she hugs me, smothers my face with her all natural DDs, kisses me on the cheek, and finally thanks me for being so sweet.

So for a PL like me that doesn't want extras, FS, or and OTC hook ups, this is an awesome good time at a strip club with a 9. It cost me $90 and bowl of good weed. Totally worth it.

The Bay Area strip club scene sucks, compared to many other parts of the country. And I did not even know how good it was in many other places in the country until I joined TUSCL.

But we do have an on and off again underground circuit. That is looser, but the best part is that most all the girls in that do OTC regularly. They are a trip to even talk with.

Our AMP scene is very good, in my view a better deal than SF UHM. More time, more privacy, more relaxed, and much lower cost.

Front Room DFKing is not cock teasing. It is a girl opening up in ways that many rarely do. In AMPs and SC's, DFKing is the Holy Grail, it is the clear indication that the girl is opening to you. If you can get her DFKing, the FS which follows will be mind blowing for both parties. And I am not talking here just from a 'fun' perspective. I am talking about a girl who is just giving herself to you. And of course the reason she is doing this is because she is making a Girl Friend Auditon.

It does not get better than that. It is a life transforming experience.

And so of course you want to get it going this way as early as possible, best being in the front room, before committing to the back room and its costs.

And the girls who really are open with people, they are accustomed to this.

You find this DFK openness in especially the SF AMPs, in our Latina underground, and to some extent in the SF clubs, and especially pre-Deja Vu and its clip joint business models, and still even some in our own local highly restricted clubs.

SJG

I’ve never been to an amp. But I thought those places were all business. Basically you pay - and they pump. There’s front room discussion at an amp? I was under the impression that most girls don’t speak much English at amps.

Do you question the gfe is an attempt to secure a visa/green card?

@SJG you are delusional...

"Front Room DFKing is not cock teasing. It is a girl opening up in ways that many rarely do. In AMPs and SC's, DFKing is the Holy Grail, it is the clear indication that the girl is opening to you. If you can get her DFKing, the FS which follows will be mind blowing for both parties. And I am not talking here just from a 'fun' perspective. I am talking about a girl who is just giving herself to you. And of course the reason she is doing this is because she is making a Girl Friend Auditon."

...^ sounds more like to me that you paid for DFK as a bit part of the rest of the ejaculation service that you purchased and you are just drunk on the fantasy of all of it.

It is the Holy Grail based on YOUR fantasy and yours alone. This is fundamentally no different than a guy that pays for dances because that is what he wants.

Please realize that not all PLs want FS from a stripper. Nor do they want DFK. DFK is really not that special to me with a stripper. But good for you if you find an AMP whore that gives you what YOU want!

One finds ways at AMPs to open the envelope, to break out of the selections box they try to force you into.

At a strip club, buying dances is a chump's game.

At an AMP, just accepting the girl or the line up they supply you with and agreeing to the session, is the chump's game.

And SLD, DFKing almost always means that the girl is really opening up to you.

And if you want to lead it, as you say, "take charge", then the place to do it is in the front room, not after you have agreed to buy a dance.

SJG

Jeff Beck ft/ Rosie Oddie
https://youtu.be/rXJQb7aIxfk?t=5m47s

Please SJG, DFK is just the chump game that YOU play. You're the chump that doesn't realize that you are simply PAYING AN AMP WHORE for DFK service. You are paying for the fantasy of "leading" her.

And LMAO you still don't get the point of this thread. The point is to talk about taking control or relaxing DURING a dance. It's as simple as that.

SJG, an acronym for thread infections.

^ No shit, Lurker_X, and he doesn't have the balls to write an article on how he clubs. He would rather derail every thread that mentions something about lap dances rather than just write an article on his obsession.

I prefer for the dancer to take control and lead the way to the promised land!

Anyone who has any intimate experience with women knows that you want her to let you lead it, let you 'seduce her'.

And so then in P4P places, the first thing you want to do is get your girl off of her character acting and service delivery script.

So one good way to do this is by talking to her, telling her about yourself, the things a girl will want to know, but in a P4P venue knows she should refrain from asking. So you tell her without her having to ask. You make it so you are no longer a stranger to her.

Another is you want to get her gears shifted into letting you do it.

So you don't wait until you have committed to paying, and you don't try to negotiate it all out with her, you just come on to her and try to make it happen with her. You treat her like you'd just met her at a party.

And of course, as it is almost always a big key, you start DFKing her. And doing a fair amount of it helps even more.

With that and all the other standard types of fore play, you can usually get your girl heated up to the point where she really really wants to be fucked. She turns it into a Girl Friend Audition.

She will get paid as usual. Economizing is not the objective. Rather, the objective is to be able to pick a girl you like and make something great happen with her. To do that, you have to get her off of script.

Then further, the ideal would be to then take her home with you, or out to eat first, and then home to continue, and to keep seeing her regularly.

If marriage is the problem, then you need either a marriage counselor, or a divorce lawyer. Expecting your wife to stay home while you cheat is not a long term viable option, nor is it the act of a man who lives with any integrity.

Back in the very early 80's I read an article in Hustler Magazine, about prostitution. It talked about Street, Escorts, and Asian Massage. Did not talk about strip clubs, as this was long ago. It said that Asian Massage was often the best value for the dollar. Very good advice.

It also explained the cardinal rule, "Never treat your girl any differently than you would treat any other women." I have taken this to heart, and likely even gone beyond what they were meaning. I have never asked a woman to engage in prostitution, to engage in sex acts for money. I have never offered them money, even when AMP girls at first refused FS. I just keep treating them in a fully civilian manner, and very soon mind blowing sex ensues, usually GFE.

SJG

Jeff Beck ft/ Rosie Oddie, 2017
http://www.rocketcitynow.com/news/nation…

@SJG you are way off topic. Please start your own thread or write an article. This is a thread about what you do when getting a dance.

@lopaw just curious if you reach the promised land easily with most strippers or not. Also do you use body language to encourage good control?

Take the lead ( what you call 'take control' ) way before you are in any dance booth. You lead in selecting the girl, and in coming on to her and getting a front room makeout session going, and in inviting her to the back room for the maximum, and in taking her home with you and seeing her regularly to continue.

Buying dances and then talking about 'taking charge' is a Chump's view.

SJG

SJG seriously we have heard it all before. Some of us aren't looking for DFK + FS with AMP and underground Mexican bar whores as a chump's therapy for our wife leaving us, ironically, because of it.

And while you keep typing from behind your keyboard on how to hypothetically interact with a stripper but not actually do it IN REAL LIFE, other PLs are ACTUALLY interacting with strippers the way they want. And that makes you a...

...

...

...

...wait for it...

...

...

...

...POSER CHUMP!!!

You sit there from behind your keyboard blathering like an idiot stuck in the 1990s not doing jack shit with a stripper.

And taking control in the front room? No shit, but that is not the fucking point of this thread. Yes, for the record, I just got back from yet another IRL LDK with my ATF DS. And yes, after we smoked weed together we sat at the bar and the entire time I had control of both of her ass cheeks wrapped around my hard cock for 40 minutes. I controlled each fucking beautiful ass cheeks up, down, side-to-side, and around all over the underside of my dick and balls. It was fucking awesome feeling being in total control of my boner stimulation for buying her a Red Bull. And guess what? I actually did this IRL just now! I didn't just talk about doing it from behind a keyboard.

^ Forgot to mention that I'm smelling her pussy on my club pants that I just changed out of. Smells like butterscotch.

You go for 'dances' without any front room intimacy, a makeout session, because you don't know what civilian style intimacy is like. Must be that way.

SJG

^ I go for maximum time flirting and teasing with a 9 DS with a raging boner the entire time I'm there and ending with a mind blowing LDK.

And I totally know what actual civilian intimacy is like because last Friday night I had a full makeout session fully naked with my beautiful wife in my hot tub for 20 min before we went to sleep.

@SJG what have you done with an actual real woman, in real life, that was civilian intimacy recently?

When you can get a girl DFKing, that really effects her. And you SLD should know that.

As for me, my private life is private. If I had wanted to say anything more I would have. In my collective posts I have actually said a great deal. I can do that, because I know where to draw the line.

You SLD, got back to your circle jerk of bragging.

SJG

^ poser with women

SLD, I have been there too. I have been a CHUMP:

Our local strip clubs, no touching, extremely controlled, because of LE.

In San Francisco LE is very light, so really very few rules. Jim and Artie Mitchell invented lap dancing, which meant leap sitting. Not to toot my own horn, but usually if a girl is sitting on my lap I can get her DFKing. Its called, 'game'. All the more so in a situation with money.

But I go from South Bay to San Francisco and I don't find Jim and Artie, I find Deja Vu. They have booths and back rooms, so that mileage could be much higher, maybe maximized. But, front room friendliness is eliminated. Is this because of LE? No, it is because of Deja Vu, wanting to make more money, and convincing girls to go along with them. So you can 'buy dances', and get the girl in the back room. But she will hence lead it. Her psychological defenses are still in play. And the amount of money you have to fork over is so high, and quality of what you get so poor, as to make you a CHUMP.

Yes, I have been a Dance Buying Chump, just like you are SLD.

And I have been a Pathetic Looser. I was in an unworkable marriage for a long time. I could not take the decisive steps needed to terminate it. So I was stuck dealing with strippers and AMP girls ITC only. Making the best of it, but still always knowing that it was the compromise to my citizenship, my status of being shackled and stuck in a death trap, which was making me such a mark.

Yes, SLD, I have been a Pathetic Looser just like you are.

After I did legally have the wife removed, after standing up to her and being as fair as anyone could ever be, I finally had to act decisively. And it is extremely hard, my life was shattered.

First thing I did was try to run down strippers and Viet Coffee girls I had known. They wanted absolutely nothing to do with me.

As one writer says, "You've still got the divorce all over you, and they can smell it." Very true.

https://www.amazon.com/How-Date-Young-Wo…

Then I was very personally involved with some of the people who ran Red Book AAMPs ( apartment AMPs, appointment only, very high quality GFE standard, Red Book GFE = DFK + DATY + BBBJ + MSOG ( 2x, in 60min ). And I have posted about much of this. I can post such stuff because I know where to place my online firewall.

But I know that P4P is not a long term solution to anything. Too adversarial. Men and women should work in partnership, just not in that Book of Genesis, and today Middle-Class Family, way.

Now, things are starting to work. Women wise, I am extremely well taken care of. They know what I like, and they are more than happy to dress and doll up for me. There should be no reason for a continued use of P4P venues like strip clubs or AMPs in your home town. In your home town, you should be able to work out some better arrangement.

I am building an organization. And at it core is a share-a-woman-system. It is starting to work.

When I start to travel, to expand the organization into new metros, then my first stop will always be strip clubs and AMPs. Select and approach a girl, makeout session, on site maximum. then continue outside and spend nights between the sheets with her when I am in town. Then later she gets inducted into my organization. If she and I don't seem to click, pawn her off onto one of our other guys who might be more compatible with her. It is all starting to work, though only locally and informally so far.

I have been a CHUMP and a PATHETIC LOOSER just like you are now SLD.

But one difference, I was never stupid enough to try and drown my sorrows with chemical mood alterants. I always knew that one has to feel the pain.

Maybe I should make up a flier and give it out in front of strip clubs. "Excuse me sir, are you in need of a marriage counselor, you look like you might be? No? Well here on the backside we have a list of divorce attorneys. Might you need one of them? Very few of the dancers in this club are currently licensed as Marriage Counselors or Divorce Attorneys. Might you be willing to make a donation, we are trying to send some of these girls to school. That way they will then actually be able to help guys like yourself."

SJG

Yardbirds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ULMxxl…

LMAO that is way too much TMI but thanks for such an off topic admission, SJG.

Not 'Taking Control', but leading, like in ballroom dancing. Leading starts when you select and approach your girl. And very important is when you first get her DFKing, and it continues through your first overnighter with her, and when you keep on seeing her.

SJG

SJG you are just repeating yourself off topic over and over now.

san_jose_guy " I was never stupid enough to try and drown my sorrows with chemical mood alterants."

omg. you've confessed right here on the discussion board that you are a long time alcoholic and to be perfectly honest it sounds like you've fallen off the wagon again tonight

ballroom dancing. the idiot actually said ballroom dancing. lmfao

"First thing I did was try to run down strippers and Viet Coffee girls I had known. They wanted absolutely nothing to do with me."

^ 'nuff said right here. The rest is history.

I’m not comfortable with that lengthy response from SJG. Sorry. I find his references to building an organization to be very creepy. I’m not sure if he’s intending to become a pimp - or some type of cult leader - but they both seem like horrible ideas (for him - and his potential followers).

Unless he’s simply imagined this - and it’s an elaborate dream - this seems to be an awful idea. I’ve got many faults - but I’m pretty good at seeing reality!

^ @Cashman1234 It's all imaginary and all a dream. It's just like his dream of actually DFK + FS with a stripper in a strip club. None of it has actually happened IRL with SJG. This is all clear in how he wrote everything. Note these phrases...

..."First thing I did was try to run down strippers and Viet Coffee girls I had known. They wanted absolutely nothing to do with me."

^ This is an admission that he hasn't interacted with an actual stripper with DFK + FS but yet he talks it up all over the boards. But this statement is his subtle admission (finally) that he is just a poser when it comes to interacting with strippers in the last 10 years.

..."Then I was very personally involved with some of the people who ran Red Book AAMPs ( apartment AMPs, appointment only, very high quality GFE standard, Red Book GFE = DFK + DATY + BBBJ + MSOG ( 2x, in 60min ). And I have posted about much of this. I can post such stuff because I know where to place my online firewall.

But I know that P4P is not a long term solution to anything."

^ This is his admission that this is all he does IRL. He is an AMP monger. Once again he doesn't go to strip clubs and interact with strippers.

..."I am building an organization. And at it core is a share-a-woman-system. It is starting to work.

When I start to travel, to expand the organization into new metros, then my first stop will always be strip clubs and AMPs."

^ This is an admission that he has no such organization IRL and again he is just fantasizing and dreaming about it. Just like his fantasies of DFK + FS with strippers.

It's all just in his head as dreams and there is no actual substance to it IRL.

SirLDAlot - thanks for the translation. It’s odd how his statements are full of imaginary interactions.

I find it odd that those high class Asian MP’s still use MSG? I thought only low end Asian places still used MSG... lol!

What I am doing will make me more like a cult leader. Not ever a pimp.

Sirlapdance and Cashman, you guys are a circle jerk.

SJG

^ @Cashman1234 his statements are imaginary and delusional because he is still stressed and distraught and in denial that it was his fault about cheating on his wife and losing his marriage. Remember, he is a narcissist and won't admit that anything is his fault, so he deflects his real issues about himself and turns it into the fault of someone or something else. Observe this statement:

"And I have been a Pathetic Looser. I was in an unworkable marriage for a long time. I could not take the decisive steps needed to terminate it. So I was stuck dealing with strippers and AMP girls ITC only. Making the best of it, but still always knowing that it was the compromise to my citizenship, my status of being shackled and stuck in a death trap, which was making me such a mark."

^ Look at it carefully. See how he turned the fact that he was the one going to AMP whores and strippers ITC which is why he failed at his marriage and instead he blames his marriage for "forcing" him to go to AMP whores and strippers ITC. LMAO he completely turned his failed marriage into the cause for his infidelity but it really was his infidelity that caused his marriage to fail! LMAO this is a clear example of SJG's delusions and narcissism and refusal to acknowledge his own issues and demons.

And later he states this:

"After I did legally have the wife removed, after standing up to her and being as fair as anyone could ever be, I finally had to act decisively. And it is extremely hard, my life was shattered."

^ This is his admission that his wife leaving him for his infidelities with strippers ITC and AMP whores was traumatic to his psyche. But again, see how he blames it on his wife. As if he had to "stand up" to her. And as if she "shattered" his life.

He fucked up big time in his marriage. To this day it still deeply affects him. But he is so narcissistic that he refuses to take responsibility for his own LOSER actions that he ends up distorting everything that he did and moreover embellishing imaginary things that he only dreams of doing so that he doesn't look like the LOSER he really is.

And LOL he knows this is all true deep down which is why he will come at me with insults in his response to reading this. LOL he is so predictable and pathetic.

Sirlapdance, still a circle jerk!

SJG

^ "He fucked up big time in his marriage. To this day it still deeply affects him. But he is so narcissistic that he refuses to take responsibility for his own LOSER actions that he ends up distorting everything that he did and moreover embellishing imaginary things that he only dreams of doing so that he doesn't look like the LOSER he really is.

And LOL he knows this is all true deep down which is why he will come at me with insults in his response to reading this. LOL he is so predictable and pathetic."

LMAO...SJG...as predictable as gravity

@SJG you created all of this yourself with your own off topic and blathering idiotic posts.

Start your own fucking thread or article and get out of this one. LOL or I will keep making you look stupid from your own posts.

SLD:

I'm ready for you

https://www.homedepot.com/catalog/produc…

SJG

^ "He fucked up big time in his marriage. To this day it still deeply affects him. But he is so narcissistic that he refuses to take responsibility for his own LOSER actions that he ends up distorting everything that he did and moreover embellishing imaginary things that he only dreams of doing so that he doesn't look like the LOSER he really is.

And LOL he knows this is all true deep down which is why he will come at me with insults in his response to reading this. LOL he is so predictable and pathetic."

LMAO...SJG...as predictable as gravity

@SJG you created all of this yourself with your own off topic and blathering idiotic posts.

Start your own fucking thread or article and get out of this one. LOL or I will keep making you look stupid from your own posts.

Not off topic, if you want to 'lead' the interaction with the girl, it starts by how you select and approach her, and it is far easier to lead it in the front room where no one has agreed to any set formula for time or money, than it is after you have committed to any dances. So you delay that commitment until you have led your girl in the direction you want to make it go extremely well.

SJG

Extreme Bikini's
https://www.stringbikinimicrobikini.com/…

click on picture to see all of them

Jeff Beck ft/ Rosie Oddie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq3NeC8t…

SirLDAlot - you have some impressive insights regarding SJG.

Its traumatic to go through a divorce. However, it’s imperative to be open and honest regarding ones faults and guilt. If one wants to harbor deep seated negative feelings toward an ex - it can eat at you over time - and the result won’t be positive.

Facing the harshness of reality isn’t fun - but it’s necessary in order to move forward.

Based on his level of ability to create imaginary worlds and scenarios - I’m sure he has a very deep hole to crawl up from.

Cashman, go back to hiding under your rock.

SJG

@SJG posted-> "Not off topic, if you want to 'lead' the interaction with the girl, it starts by how you select and approach her, and it is far easier to lead it in the front room where no one has agreed to any set formula for time or money, than it is after you have committed to any dances. So you delay that commitment until you have led your girl in the direction you want to make it go extremely well.

SJG"

^ @SJG yes this is still completely OFF TOPIC you moron. Per my original post...

..."When you are getting dances do you like to sit back, relax, and let her do all the work or do you like to take control of the pace?"...

...it clear states: "When you are GETTING DANCES!!!"

So like a moron that can't fucking read, you are completely OFF TOPIC.

And LOL get over your fucking divorce already. You are so pathetic by bringing issues up with it. You make other threads like this one about it.

Fucking loser at marriage. You are pathetic.

SLD, are you drunk or high on something right now?

If you want to make it nice with a girl, you set the situation before agreeing to dances. Hence, select and approach and with words and everything else, get her softened up and heated up. Then you invite her to the back room, so though I would not call it buying dances, there still is this aspect to it.

Just buying dances straight out is a chump's game.

Seeking ejaculation services, instead of going for FS, or letting the girl see that you are saving your load for when you and she get together outside, is simply using your own money to exacerbate your own sexual frustration.

SJG

^ "SJG seriously we have heard it all before. Some of us aren't looking for DFK + FS with AMP and underground Mexican bar whores as a chump's therapy for our wife leaving us, ironically, because of it.

And while you keep typing from behind your keyboard on how to hypothetically interact with a stripper but not actually do it IN REAL LIFE, other PLs are ACTUALLY interacting with strippers the way they want. And that makes you a...

...

...

...

...wait for it...

...

...

...

...POSER CHUMP!!!

You sit there from behind your keyboard blathering like an idiot stuck in the 1990s not doing jack shit with a stripper.

And taking control in the front room? No shit, but that is not the fucking point of this thread."

Well I'm sorry, if the strip clubs in your areas don't have girls you'd like to be DFKing and Fucking, that's rough.

If the problem is that you are in a death trap of a marriage, been there, done that. It is horrible, and it often looks like it is just about escape proof.

But with the girls in a strip club, most of them are neither licensed marriage counselors or divorce lawyers. So they really aren't going to be able to help you. This is why I say that we need to start collecting money so that we can send some of these girls to school.

SJG

^ "He fucked up big time in his marriage. To this day it still deeply affects him. But he is so narcissistic that he refuses to take responsibility for his own LOSER actions that he ends up distorting everything that he did and moreover embellishing imaginary things that he only dreams of doing so that he doesn't look like the LOSER he really is.

And LOL he knows this is all true deep down which is why he will come at me with insults in his response to reading this. LOL he is so predictable and pathetic."

LMAO...SJG...as predictable as gravity

SLD, I acted responsibly. I tried every feasible means of repairing my marriage. And of course this meant strict fidelity. I held out the olive branch in every possible way.

Cheating on a spouse is not a long term viable plan.

Sorry if the strip clubs in your metro don't have girls you'd like to be making out with, fucking, and waking up in the mornings with. But I suspect that the real problem comes from you and your complete inability to conduct yourself with integrity.

And even all the marijuana in the world would not be able to correct this.

SJG

LOL SJG. The point of this thread is really simple. If you don't get dances, it DOES NOT APPLY to you.

But since you are too stupid to realize this basic fact, please continue to post like the traumatized loser and chump at marriage that you are. I'll certainly keep highlighting what you are doing so you look more stupid than you already do.

The matter is simply, when you walk into a strip club, are you a moron, or do you find a girl you like and make it happen with her.

Just straight out buying dances IS A CHUMP's GAME.

SJG

"SLD, I acted responsibly. I tried every feasible means of repairing my marriage. And of course this meant strict fidelity. I held out the olive branch in every possible way."

^ a lame excuse from a narcissistic cheater. You have already admitted you cheated on your wife with AMP whores which is completely irresponsible. LOSER at marriage!!!

"Cheating on a spouse is not a long term viable plan."

^ Agreed. Too bad for you that you cheated on your wife as living proof of this. You should have practiced what you preach, loser AND hypocrite!

"Sorry if the strip clubs in your metro don't have girls you'd like to be making out with, fucking, and waking up in the mornings with."

^ Too bad you can't read my posts more clearly because the issue is not the strippers like you are assuming (like a moron). Reread my posts before making such a moronic assumption. It is yet another one of your typical STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS.

"But I suspect that the real problem comes from you and your complete inability to conduct yourself with integrity."

^ LMAO based on your delusional views.

"And even all the marijuana in the world would not be able to correct this."

^ There is no known cure for your delusions. Smoking weed is an irrelevant point. As usual for you. You like to make stare man arguments and points all the time.

LOL SJG. The point of this thread is really simple. If you don't get dances, it DOES NOT APPLY to you.

But since you are too stupid to realize this basic fact, please continue to post like the traumatized loser and chump at marriage that you are. I'll certainly keep highlighting what you are doing so you look more stupid than you already do.

"And LOL he knows this is all true deep down which is why he will come at me with insults in his response to reading this. LOL he is so predictable and pathetic."

LMAO...SJG...as predictable as gravity"

SLD, you MF Idiot, you can't take control, but you can lead.

Girls love it when a guy can lead it. Know who told me this, a local dancer, Market Street Cinema hard core veteran, GIANT TITS, who was anxious to be fucking me outside. She went on about how much she loves it when a guy leads. And she also said, "I have to warn you though, I am a nasty girl."

If you want to lead, it starts when you walk into the strip club. It even starts before that because you want to have your affairs in order and preparations made, because likely you will soon be between the sheets with the girl you select.

To buy dances and wait until you are in the dance booth before you start to lead it, is the mark of a CHUMP!

SJG

^ repeat post from moron that doesn't realize this has been covered...

..."
You sit there from behind your keyboard blathering like an idiot stuck in the 1990s not doing jack shit with a stripper.

And taking control in the front room? No shit, but that is not the fucking point of this thread. Yes, for the record, I just got back from yet another IRL LDK with my ATF DS. And yes, after we smoked weed together we sat at the bar and the entire time I had control of both of her ass cheeks wrapped around my hard cock for 40 minutes. I controlled each fucking beautiful ass cheeks up, down, side-to-side, and around all over the underside of my dick and balls. It was fucking awesome feeling being in total control of my boner stimulation for buying her a Red Bull. And guess what? I actually did this IRL just now! I didn't just talk about doing it from behind a keyboard."

I lead my ATF DS beautiful ass cheeks all over my hard dick and balls all the time. This was just one time but it happens all the time. No pussy ass DFK needed!

(Oh, and you are still posting OFF TOPIC, like a chump troll that doesn't actually interact with strippers.)

"He fucked up big time in his marriage. To this day it still deeply affects him. But he is so narcissistic that he refuses to take responsibility for his own LOSER actions that he ends up distorting everything that he did and moreover embellishing imaginary things that he only dreams of doing so that he doesn't look like the LOSER he really is.

And LOL he knows this is all true deep down which is why he will come at me with insults in his response to reading this. LOL he is so predictable and pathetic."

LMAO...SJG...as predictable as gravity

If you lead a girl in sexual intimacies, most of the time that means DFKing. But always, if it works, she will want you to be fucking her regularly and waking up in the mornings with her.

This is what the MSC GIANT TITS girl wanted.

SJG

^ "Please SJG, DFK is just the chump game that YOU play. You're the chump that doesn't realize that you are simply PAYING AN AMP WHORE for DFK service. You are paying for the fantasy of "leading" her.

And LMAO you still don't get the point of this thread. The point is to talk about taking control or relaxing DURING a dance. It's as simple as that."

^ or paying a stripper for DFK.

Paying a whore for sexual intimacy will only exacerbate your frustration of losing your wife and all sexual intimacy that you once had.

"SirLDAlot - you have some impressive insights regarding SJG.

Its traumatic to go through a divorce. However, it’s imperative to be open and honest regarding ones faults and guilt. If one wants to harbor deep seated negative feelings toward an ex - it can eat at you over time - and the result won’t be positive.

Facing the harshness of reality isn’t fun - but it’s necessary in order to move forward.

Based on his level of ability to create imaginary worlds and scenarios - I’m sure he has a very deep hole to crawl up from."

@Cashman1234 thanks but it's really not that hard to see SJG's true issues. LMAO even if you just look at his posts since you posted this, it's pretty clear he's still deflecting his real issues and demons. And LOL he knows this is all true deep down which is why he will come at me with insults in his response to reading this. LOL he is so predictable and pathetic."

LMAO...SJG...as predictable as gravity

SirLDAlot - I think you see much more than I do - in SJG’s posts. I’ve reached a saturation point where there’s too much BS in his posts, and I gloss over most all of it.

I think he’s out of touch with reality.

@Cashman1234 one just has to understand the mindset of a narcissist (a moronic one, at that) in order to easily understand the real intentions and motives behind SJG's posts. Also, if he is going to ruin threads that I'm in, then I'm for sure going to ruin the blathering idiotic posts that he makes which requires that I read them.

He's absolutely and unequivocally out of touch with reality. Extreme narcissists are.

What's happened with him is that deep down HE KNOWS HE FAILED AT HIS MARRIAGE. It was COMPLETELY HIS FAULT. He cheated on his wife by sleeping with AMP whores. But because HE IS A NARCISSIST, he is in complete denial of all of it. HE REFUSES TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for his MARRIAGE FAILURE.

But it still eats at him. It still bothers him. And on top of it is the acknowledgement that HIS WIFE IS NOW FUCKING OTHER MEN. Men better than him. Men doing things for and to his wife that HE COULD NEVER DO.

And so his whole TUSCL persona and motives are to try and purge himself of all this guilt and psychological trauma which, LMAO, HE BROUGHT UPON HIMSELF! He blames his wife, he blames the institution of marriage itself, he blames strip clubs that offer private dances, he blames PLs that get private dances. He blames everybody and everything BESIDES HIMSELF. This is because HE IS AN EXTREME NARCISSIST.

So given all this and the fact that he is a blathering idiot that disrespectfully ruins so many threads, I'm going to personally troll him incessantly and keep reminding him and all of TUSCL what he is really all about. It's fun to see him resort to name calling and also see him blather on and on and demonstrate everything that I say he is going to do by his own doing. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Well said SirLDAlot. The odd thing is that nobody here seems to take him seriously. He thinks that he’s created some sort of persona that is above the average dance buying pl - but he continually proves himself to be an out of touch fool.

His talk of building an organization - and recruiting women - is bizarre and delusional.

@Cashman1234 well said too (as always with you). But again it's not odd when you understand the extreme narcissist that he is and his defense mechanisms for dealing with the facts that 1) HE WAS THE ULTIMATE REASON HIS MARRIAGE FAILED and 2) HIS WIFE IS FUCKING OTHER GUYS BETTER THAN HIM.

So with all this, he doesn't post to impress anyone besides himself. LMAO we could all put SJG on ignore and it wouldn't matter. He would still post because again he is a narcissist and so he just self aggrandizes and relishes in the "genius" of his own posts. This is why he is virtually alone in all his long OT threads and just keeps posting to them even though nobody else really cares about them. And also he puts down getting dances because a narcissist will try to look better than others by putting them down.

And then his obsession with DFK + FS tells the other side of the issue: he yearns for the LOST INTIMACY that HE LOST WHEN HIS WIFE DIVORCED HIS CHUMP LOSER ASS. This is why he is obsessed with getting DFK so much and getting intimate with a whore. HE LOST ALL OF IT when HIS WIFE LEFT HIM.

He also doesn't even really care about strip clubs. In fact he resents them because he, again an extreme narcissist and a chump, fell for the 'clip joint' ruse by believing the shills that told him he could get FS inside Deja Vu in SF back in the 90s. He's been harboring a grudge, like narcissists do because they never forgive, against strip clubs ever since.

So there you have it. This is why SJG puts down getting dances and is a blathering idiot in the process of it. And LMAO all by his own admissions.

And that organization he keeps blathering on and on about, once again it is because of all of the above. And LMAO it is an easy call but I predict he will talk about the "future" of it forever. It will never actually come to fruition, but wow will SJG talk it up. Forever.

ROFLMAO the only woman that will ever be in his organization IRL is an inflatable love doll.

"If you lead a girl in sexual intimacies, most of the time that means DFKing. But always, if it works, she will want you to be fucking her regularly and waking up in the mornings with her.

This is what the MSC GIANT TITS girl wanted.

SJG"

^ Translation -> I'm heartbroken and distraught that I can no longer DFK and get FS and wake up to my ex-wife anymore, so I'm obsessed to the point of getting it from whores because it is the only way that I can. I can't do it IRL with civie women. I'll never forget that one time I DFKed with an AA whore with big tits that worked at MSC back in the 90s.

Upon closer review, I don't think SJG did anything with the AA stripper at the Market St. Cinema (which is a complete dump). All he did, by his own admission, was talk to her. Observe both of his posts about her:

#1 - "Girls love it when a guy can lead it. Know who told me this, a local dancer, Market Street Cinema hard core veteran, GIANT TITS, who was anxious to be fucking me outside. She went on about how much she loves it when a guy leads. And she also said, "I have to warn you though, I am a nasty girl.""

^ All talk, no action here.

#2 - "If you lead a girl in sexual intimacies, most of the time that means DFKing. But always, if it works, she will want you to be fucking her regularly and waking up in the mornings with her.

This is what the MSC GIANT TITS girl wanted.

SJG"

^ All talk, no action, part II.

SLD and Cashman, you two guys are some of the most absurd trolls around.

P4P is no good unless you can get your girl to open up to you. That is how sex works, for people who have any understanding of it. Its not just the man's physical experience. That is secondary at best. It is getting the woman to let down her psychological barriers, so that she just goes with it and her full emotions come into play.

People say that S.F. is different now than in the 90's. Well is that due to a tougher regulatory environment, or is it due to ownership and control by a company which makes strip clubs into clip joints?

Oh well, hard to fight it, because there is another SirLapDanceAlot born every minute.

SJG

Street Fighting Man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHugEELD…

^ All talk, no action here.

No Action?

All is going very well for me, if that is what you mean.

In one's home town, shouldn't be much need for the use of strip clubs.

Myself not one for sex tourism, but for business travels. I plan to be expanding to a multiple metro base, and having hotties lined up to bed down within each of them. Most of these will be coming out of strip clubs. So in each new place, I will start at a strip club or two.

But in my hometown, I am well taken care of without having to go to such clubs.

3 years ago, no, I still stank of divorce. The women could feel it. So I started at AMPs.

So who goes to strip clubs regularly in their home town?

Well back when I was a PL, trying to survive a horrid marriage by moderate cheating on my wife. All I could do was take it how the clubs offered it.

A PL, a married guy cheating on his wife, he will have a high need to use strip clubs, and everyone in those clubs knows this.

The very situation steers him into being a chump too.

SJG

Heartbreaker, live 1973
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKBqw2bT…

^ "But again it's not odd when you understand the extreme narcissist that he is and his defense mechanisms for dealing with the facts that 1) HE WAS THE ULTIMATE REASON HIS MARRIAGE FAILED and 2) HIS WIFE IS FUCKING OTHER GUYS BETTER THAN HIM.

So with all this, he doesn't post to impress anyone besides himself. LMAO we could all put SJG on ignore and it wouldn't matter. He would still post because again he is a narcissist and so he just self aggrandizes and relishes in the "genius" of his own posts. This is why he is virtually alone in all his long OT threads and just keeps posting to them even though nobody else really cares about them. And also he puts down getting dances because a narcissist will try to look better than others by putting them down.

And then his obsession with DFK + FS tells the other side of the issue: he yearns for the LOST INTIMACY that HE LOST WHEN HIS WIFE DIVORCED HIS CHUMP LOSER ASS. This is why he is obsessed with getting DFK so much and getting intimate with a whore. HE LOST ALL OF IT when HIS WIFE LEFT HIM.

He also doesn't even really care about strip clubs. In fact he resents them because he, again an extreme narcissist and a chump, fell for the 'clip joint' ruse by believing the shills that told him he could get FS inside Deja Vu in SF back in the 90s. He's been harboring a grudge, like narcissists do because they never forgive, against strip clubs ever since.

So there you have it. This is why SJG puts down getting dances and is a blathering idiot in the process of it. And LMAO all by his own admissions.

And that organization he keeps blathering on and on about, once again it is because of all of the above. And LMAO it is an easy call but I predict he will talk about the "future" of it forever. It will never actually come to fruition, but wow will SJG talk it up. Forever.

ROFLMAO the only woman that will ever be in his organization IRL is an inflatable love doll."

SJG - those are your opinions - and your opinions are yours alone. You can continue to make wild statements about your perceived view of FS and GFE - but you have no current experience with strip clubs. You’ve not been to a club in many years, so your opinions regarding clubs are highly suspect.

Your opinions are all out of date - and they hold no weight.

san_jose_guy “But in my hometown, I am well taken care of without having to go to such clubs.”

since as we all know, you are unable to travel because you’ve been tied up for years 24/7 with on the ground political scalp hunting your statement above is close enough to a full confession and i’ll give you credit for finally admitting that you never go to strip clubs

san_jose_guy “Well back when I was a PL, trying to survive a horrid marriage by moderate cheating on my wife.”

that’s a good step forward. now admit that you were in fact not faithful in thought, word or deed and are solely responsible for destroying your marriage because you cheated on your innocent wife

^ @DoctorPhil LMAO but he was only MODERATELY not faithful. WTF is "moderate cheating"?!?!

And LMAO I'm pretty sure now that SJG has been banned from local Bay Area strip clubs. This is why he doesn't go. This is why he admitted earlier that strippers want nothing to do with him. LOL he has to go to strip clubs where nobody recognizes him.

And LOL he so wants to go to strip clubs but he can't. He goes to AMPs and underground Mexican bars because those are the only places that will still take his business and the only places where women (whores he has to pay for intimacy) want anything to do with him.

And he clings and relishes those few times in the 90s when he was actually at a strip club and he actually got some DFK. Those were his finest moments as a PL. LMAO moreover they were his ONLY PL moments.

This thread was pure comedy to read. SJG has gotta be the most fucked up in the brain person I've ever read from on the internet.

On topic (like SJG doesn't know how to be), I have to agree with Papi. If the dancer has some giant tits and a big bubble ass I usually like to take control. Mainly because when I have the sudden urge to have those tits in my mouth I can ask her to turn around if she's currently grinding me RCG. Or if she's facing me and I want to instead look down at that bubble grinding all against my junk then flip her around. If I'm about to LDK that's where I really take control.

The only time I don't take control is if I'm just not feeling it in a dance or with a dancer. In that case, I just chill till the song is over, pay her and thank her for the dance (even though it sucked).

^ LOL @TFP He is absolutely, hands down, the most fucked-in-the-head person that I have ever come across on the internet. He is a nut job of the highest order.

And he's not going to go away. LOL he NEEDS TUSCL in a bad way. Just like he can't ever get over the fact that strip clubs aren't just there for DFK + FS, he won't ever get over HIS WIFE LEAVING HIS BITCH LOSER ASS FOR BEING A CHEATER. He's stuck on both issues because he's a loser that cannot properly cope. So he's going to be a TUSCL troll forever. It's been over 20 years since he got clipped at strip clubs in SF and 3 years since HE LOST HIS WIFE FOR GOOD and he's not changed since he joined TUSCL. He's stuck in a psychological rut of his own creation and he can't and won't ever break the cycle. It's a 'do loop' in his head. The narcissist in him won't ever allow him to get over anything. To get over both would require that he face himself and admit he's a LOSER IN MARRIAGE AND WITH WOMEN.

And so he's never going to end. He'll be blathering on and on on TUSCL like this forever. So I say just keep hammering his mind with all his issues and demons. Let's all keep reminding him that...

...IT WAS HIS FAULT FOR CHEATING ON HIS WIFE and...

...SHE'S MUCH HAPPIER NOW WITHOUT HIM AND IS FUCKING OTHER GUYS and...

HE'S THE BIGGEST STRIP CLUB POSER THAT EVER LIVED

It doesn't matter what the thread is about, this is what SJG is all about and so this is what he will make all of the threads he is in about. It's his 'therapy'.

Hey ass wipes, I had a very bad marriage, but I handled myself in being as fair and open to reconciliation as anyone could be, and I handled the marriage, ending it fairly.

Some of you assholes are just creeps who cheat on their wives. As such, strip clubs are able to separate you from your money most easily. And even worse, you guys don't even seem to be able to see this.

If I knew your wives, I'd offer to be their process server for free. They deserve better than the likes of you. That would be great fun, serving you in the parking lot of your favorite strip club, and having back up to photograph you being served, just for fun.

SJG

New Google Campus, planned for area around San Jose Train Station.
https://www.curbed.com/2017/12/5/1673812…

^ "He is absolutely, hands down, the most fucked-in-the-head person that I have ever come across on the internet. He is a nut job of the highest order.

And he's not going to go away. LOL he NEEDS TUSCL in a bad way. Just like he can't ever get over the fact that strip clubs aren't just there for DFK + FS, he won't ever get over HIS WIFE LEAVING HIS BITCH LOSER ASS FOR BEING A CHEATER. He's stuck on both issues because he's a loser that cannot properly cope. So he's going to be a TUSCL troll forever. It's been over 20 years since he got clipped at strip clubs in SF and 3 years since HE LOST HIS WIFE FOR GOOD and he's not changed since he joined TUSCL. He's stuck in a psychological rut of his own creation and he can't and won't ever break the cycle. It's a 'do loop' in his head. The narcissist in him won't ever allow him to get over anything. To get over both would require that he face himself and admit he's a LOSER IN MARRIAGE AND WITH WOMEN.

And so he's never going to end. He'll be blathering on and on on TUSCL like this forever. So I say just keep hammering his mind with all his issues and demons. Let's all keep reminding him that...

...IT WAS HIS FAULT FOR CHEATING ON HIS WIFE and...

...SHE'S MUCH HAPPIER NOW WITHOUT HIM AND IS FUCKING OTHER GUYS and...

HE'S THE BIGGEST STRIP CLUB POSER THAT EVER LIVED

It doesn't matter what the thread is about, this is what SJG is all about and so this is what he will make all of the threads he is in about. It's his 'therapy'."

@SJG posted-> "Hey ass wipes, I had a very bad marriage, but I handled myself in being as fair and open to reconciliation as anyone could be, and I handled the marriage, ending it fairly."

^ Translation -> The whole reason for my divorce was because I WAS UNFAIRLY CHEATING ON MY WIFE WITH AMP WHORES. But because I'm a blathering idiotic narcissist, I'm just going to emphasize how things went during the divorce because I'd rather not admit to anything else. It pains me to face the fact that I WAS COMPLETELY UNFAIR TO MY WIFE BY CHEATING ON HER WITH AMP WHORES WHILE WE WERE MARRIED.

@SJG posted -> "Some of you assholes are just creeps who cheat on their wives. As such, strip clubs are able to separate you from your money most easily. And even worse, you guys don't even seem to be able to see this."

^ Translation -> I am a complete blathering idiotic narcissist, and as such, I project my own flaws and faults onto others. I WAS A CREEP THAT CHEATED ON MY WIFE. I went to strip clubs and because I'm an idiot chump and thought it was true that I could get FS in a strip club because a shill outside told me so. I was separated from my money in the process, and rather than look like a chump bitch loser myself I'm just going to deflect the issue and accuse others of the very same things that I did (as a chump bitch loser).

@SJG posted -> "If I knew your wives, I'd offer to be their process server for free. They deserve better than the likes of you. That would be great fun, serving you in the parking lot of your favorite strip club, and having back up to photograph you being served, just for fun."

^ Translation -> I am a complete blathering idiotic narcissist, and as such, I project my own flaws and faults onto others. MY WIFE DESERVED BETTER THAN ME. But I cannot admit this due to my extreme narcissism, so rather than look like the same cheaters that I'm putting down, I'm just going to deflect the issue and act like I'm above what others are doing.

LMAO...SJG...as predictable as gravity