Girls that try to sell VIPs/CRs right away
theDirkDiggler
Illinois
Why do some strippers do that? Sure, they might be some suckers (sure, i'll just give $300+ to someone i don't know) out there, and i know there are definitely ROBs out there, but it just seems like a stupid strategy for a dancer in general. Now i'm not talking about the desperate ho that offers hard extras right away, and even that is off putting and i will still only do a regular dance first (assuming i was even attracted to the ho, but that's just not attractive behavior). But in general that type of tactic just screams ROB to me and makes me even more hesitant to do even a dance with her. Even on the PL side, where you aim high (like unrealistically) but settle low, or offer really low and gradually go up just tends to lead to a less favorable experience (as one party is usually a bit offended) than if you were just reasonable and fair in the beginning.
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I do know one who if you turn down VIP will give you a dance on the floor that will get the motor running in hopes changing your mind.
There is a club where they only do VIP dances (no floor dances) so that situation is different.
If you already know the LD area is too tame - and you clarify what will happen in VIP - then it might be a way to bypass a few lame LD’s and get to the extras right away.
I wouldn’t go for it if I was new to the club - as I wouldn’t trust it.
I know it could be a ROB tactic - so it’s important to beware.
When i say VIPs, i mean rooms and/or block of time for relatively big money, not just "private" lap dances. Unless there is a club that only sells rooms (what the hell are they thinking?).
Actually, on second thought, there is one club that only sells a minimum of about 10 minutes or $75 for what is usually closer to an air dance similar to their $10 floor dances. Yes, i'm talking about the infamous Admiral Theatre. So, maybe the club you're talking about is like that. Also, there is another club that sells either ridiculously priced regular dances $30/$50 topless/nude or more reasonably priced VIPs starting at $250 per half hour with extras available depending on the dancer. So the VIP is definitely, well certainly potentially, the better option in that case. I don't go to that club though.
Are those clubs that offer no LD privacy, really that extras friendly even in VIP? I've never been to a club that had little privacy in the LD area, but the sky was the limit in a "private" VIP. Also, every extras friendly club i've been to had decent to good privacy (or an unconcerned bouncer) in the LD area, making the VIP/CR fairly unnecessary.
In that situation, i don't know why a girl wouldn't even try to do regular dances. She often keeps more and this is usually a good way to develop regular customers as many customers don't do frequent VIPs with the same girl (although many do as well).
The next visit - I asked the dancer if going directly to VIP would be worthwhile. She was very happy. I clarified that it wasn’t going to be air dances. She then gave me the full description of what she would do - and I was happy. I left VIP a happy man.
In that case it worked. The LD area was out in an open room and controlled. The VIP area was basically unpatrolled by management - so it was based on the dancer and customer negotiation.
If you already know the LD area is too tame - and you clarify what will happen in VIP - then it might be a way to bypass a few lame LD’s and get to the extras right away."
i agree with this totally.
in my area, the vast majority of the dance options are blocks of time in which you pay a certain amount of cash. for example, 15 minutes for 110 bucks. or, 10 minutes for $100 bucks and so on.
at my favorite club, one song costs 25 bucks (unless they call the 2 for 30) and its one way contact in a public room with other PL's around you. other than that, the only other options you have are $110 bucks for 15 minutes or $200 bucks for 30 minutes and so on.
is this what i prefer? no. but that's how most of the clubs in my area are set up. so my point is, some dancers will immediately go for the $110, 15 minute dance because the customer might want more privacy and obviously it nets them more money than just doing a $25 dance
I'm more surprised that a girl would do all that in a semi-private VIP. I guess they don't really worry about snitchin bitches, or raised expectations in an already "inexpensive" VIP. Myself, i would rather not do all this with another PL present, but that's yet another discussion...
With respect to dancers doing an immediate upsell to VIP - it’s important for the PL to know the club offerings - and to know the dancers too. I’m sure it has been used to get more money without delivering - so it’s not recommended for an unknowing PL. I prefer to move past the appetizer - and get right to the main course!
In some clubs VIP is inclusive but usually it's just dances - e.g. $150 VIP for 15-minutes but it's just dances and that is usually all the payment and that is usually paid to the club and the dancer gets a cut.
Then there are VIPs that are usually mainly for extras where one pays a room-fee to the club and then negotiates directly w/ the dancer for her payment - often times the girl may get a cut of the room-fee paid to the club as an incentive by the club for the girls to push VIP; other times the room-fee goes completely to the club (particularly if it's not too-high a room-fee).
Due to its rep (local/national) it has become kinda a tourist-trap - with so many customers (due ot the size of the club) and many infrequent out-of-area visitors; the girls wanna make that fast $$$ any which way possible w/ not much regard as to what the custy gets out of it since it's not a club necessarily built around regulars.
Thus at Tootsies the girls push VIP to the point that it is nauseating and to the point you won't even enjoy your dance b/c they'll spend the whole song badgering you about VIP instead of giving you a good-dance thus often times you end up getting a sucky dance either b/c they are just preoccupied w/ getting you into VIP or they just don't give a fuck about you enjoying your dance and for them the dance is all about you giving into VIP and not you enjoying your dance - I've had some Tootsies girls not wanna do a 2nd lap-dance b/c they could not convince me to do VIP although the dances are $25.
Many of them give crappy even low-mileage dances yet push VIP super-hard - yeah it doesn't make sense - the norm is usually for a dancer to try and get you in the mood for VIP w/ a good-dance/high-mileage; but not most of the Tootsies bitches - this is in part b/c the majority are Cuban that excel in being pushy and under-delivering and why I don't like dealing w/ Cuban dancers for the most-part - they just wanna get paid and often promise the moon but their actions often don't match their promises.
And of course the strongest position to take is that there must be an intense front room makeout session underway. Then when it is time for your own pants to come down, then you invite her to the back room.
SJG
A girl told me the extra $2 is for the couch replacement fund.
SJG
I would imagine other girls that do this are trying to maximize their earning potential. Trying to make big chunks of money instead of little pieces from lap dances. Like Dirk said, trying to hit home runs every time. They might catch some newbies with this (I fell for this dumb shit as a newborn myself). But I'd think most guys who've spent enough time in the club would not fall for it.
And yeah, I think it's a bad look for the dancer. Makes her come off as pushy, desperate for money, and not caring about a connection. We know the dancers ARE all about the money and not really looking for a connection. But don't make it so obvious by having the first thing you say to a PL be an invitation to the VIP room.
My strategy with "wanna dance" "wanna private" girls is, my next couple words are always "do you want to _____ with me?". The look on their face is priceless. Ya wanna hustle, I hustle too. They always say "only if you are very generous" or "how much are you going to tip me". At that point I drop them. Anything but a yes is a no. One of these days I should just ask for BBFS and negotiate a price for shits and giggles, then turn her down anyways unless its affordable.
The better SCs around me, $20/song anything goes. No VIP. No tipping. But its basically VIP without the room, just nobody caring or stopping you.
In some places you might be able to engage with her standing up. But in most, sitting on your lap is best.
Front Room Makeout session -> Invite her to back room when it is time for your pants to come down -> Avoid dry humping or BJ 'till completion. Save your load for her and let her see that. If no FS, then DATY her. -> Invite her home with you. -> Continue seeing her regularly.
You don't have to take the offerings in strip clubs at face value.
SJG
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