Yet another OTC discussion. And another twofold question. For you TUSCLers that OTC regularly, what is your success rate for getting OTC? That is out of all the girls that you have asked to see OTC, how many of them agreed to do it that day or even eventually if they didn't right away? And a follow up, after you set it up and the girls delivered on the promise, how successful was the OTC visit? That is did the OTC experience meet your expectations or was it more like a cold escort fuck (or even something like FKK clubs or Hong Kong but way more expensive) as opposed to GFE or even PSE? I tend not to be an escort guy, so that would definitely turn me off. But TUSCL is having me believe that OTC is a lot more common than i think.
As Holy Grails go, it's pretty lame. At most clubs, if you have enough cash, put in a bit of time, and you shower, then you'll find a willing dancer eventually. It's not quantum mechanics.
A lot of these discussions seem to be coming from guys who like the idea of OTC but are timid about pulling the trigger. Other guys seem to be trying to tease out a way to land a smoking hot sex slave for less than $100 per session.
Picking away at the minutiae is a good way to stall.
Typically my OTC experience is pretty good, however I tend to move towards this discussion only after a good ITC experience where chemistry is good.
Even so, I want to be the one to choose who I spend my time with and don't wantonly accept OTC Invites if a girl suggests this on the first meet Up in the club. It's happened a few times and it comes across as an escort fuck when it is all said and done which is not my cup of tea. I prefer OTC to be more of a GF experience where multiple hours or even days (travel) are part of the experience.
Well.....I've had some "escorts" over the years that were anything and everything but a "cold f*ck".....there are some distinctions that need to be made there.
I've yet to go into any club with the expectation of finding an OTC and I very rarely pursue the option.. If anything I take the entire experience as it comes with no expectations and no plans past that evening inside the club.
When OTC happens for me is when I find out they are on SA looking and if there seems to be a level of comfort and compatibility that goes both ways.
Overall under these criteria the times when there is an OTC it's been good and normally a repeated meeting.
"As Holy Grails go, it's pretty lame. At most clubs, if you have enough cash, put in a bit of time, and you shower, then you'll find a willing dancer eventually. It's not quantum mechanics."
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No..no...no...it requires a System and years of experience to pay for sex. More like general relativity than Q.M.
It’s not rocket science. If you enjoy a dancers grind - and if she’s having a good time with you itc - then it’s worthwhile to ask if she’s up for otc. Based on your experience in the club - the otc experience will usually be better (and the setting should be more comfortable).
Remember - if you choose a dancer who always has drama around her - then there’s a good chance that drama will be both itc and otc.
60%. I've asked for OTC 15 times that I can recall, and they've eventually accepted 9 of my invitations. It's 56% if you also count the one bartender/waitress I asked (she said no). Some accept right away; whether hesitantly or enthusiastically, it depends on the girl. But most times it takes weeks, months, or even years of convincing and ITC "bribes." One took about 6 months. Another took me a year. Another took over two years.
TBH, it's never really all that much fun. Whatever my expectations are, even if they are met, which is rare, it's still just a mechanical act in exchange for money. I think many guys want to do OTC because it makes them feel good about themselves, believing that a dancer likes them and trusts them enough to open up to them during their off-hours. But it's never really worth it to me, in retrospect.
If a dancer is willing to be sensual and hands-on ITC, that will probably feel a lot better than anything I'm ever likely to get OTC. It might even be a better value, too. And plenty of them are willing to get handsy ITC. So does that mean I'll stop asking for OTC? No. Because I'm as mentally fucked up as the next PL. It's always best to admit one's shortcomings.
Depends on the club. My club is not extras friendly and not OTC friendly either, but some of that is because I usually go daytime and those girls all are single mothers, so OTC would be a hassle for them.So I really don't ask very often.
My ATF asked me so that doesn't count, a past CF turned me down flat, another past CF lied about being available just to string me along, and two said yes so technically I'm 2 for 4 I suppose. But this is only because I was asking girls I've already established a relationship with; 50% is silly high due to the small sample size.
If I asked all my regulars for OTC...Hmmm....I'd expect to get a 1-10 at best. I think at other clubs it would be reversed though. If anyone is struggling with OTC, it's probably par for the course so just keep at it.
About 50% agree to OTC the first time I ask. If I keep visiting a dancer ITC and spending money on her, most will eventually agree. But some dancers will not do OTC at all.
Of course, some of them flake out on me. However, I have always had a good time in my OTC meets--GFE and all that. Sex OTC is so much better than sex ITC.
The only dancer I am following up with for OTC is one that told me she sees a few customers on the side, which of course led into the discussion shortly afterward for how I could become one of those. She is very flaky though, forgets where her drink was, forgets her phone, etc. So still I have not actually met up with her. I view setting up a date as a dart toss, don't take it personally when she does not show and has another excuse.
Not sure what the response your looking for is but I’ve seen more than a few OTC the funny part of that is it hasn’t been many and in recent years I’ve only been with three and I was friends with them ITC first two suggested a lunch date for our first meet and the third one said yes to me asking for a date and is now my girlfriend no longer works as a stripper.
Perhaps it could be they don't ask many girls for OTC and the ones they ask they already got a history w/ and have spent well on-her ITC, vs asking a dancer the first-visit one meets her.
Could be that they always treat their women as civilians, and that they never even talk about such things until they have a front room makeout session going. Then the OTC success rate will be very close to 100%
That seem correct Papi, in my case it exactly right I don’t have sex with a lot and the high mileage girls really don’t appeal to me and I’ve never hired an escort or a hooker it kind of turns me off thinking that they are available to anyone but as you’ve noticed, I enjoy the game the flirting and the sexy fun.
I've been going to SC since I was about 18 (I'm 28 now), I didn't get my first OTC until about 4 years ago, and that was after she and I did ITC. Of probably the (being conservative) 20-30 strippers I've ever come in contact with, I've only ever successfully gotten 2 OTC. Now mind you, I don't try it with every single girl, but I would probably say of those girls I've tried for it with around 10, and gotten 2. So about 20%. And there was no magic formula for it really.
@judyjudy: "Is it always about getting an OTC experience for you guys?"
Not *always*, but if I'm enjoying someone's company, and we seem to be compatible, I'm going to be much more comfortable in a place where I can lock the door and not be in danger of the the cops raiding the place. Not to mention being able to slow things down, and hopefully, be more relaxed.
@mdfmk888, the older you get? I thought you said you were 28. Does this mean that strippers would rather do OTC with an 18 year old than a 28 year old?
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Ganntt chart? You Project plan OTC. You sir, are a god.
A lot of these discussions seem to be coming from guys who like the idea of OTC but are timid about pulling the trigger. Other guys seem to be trying to tease out a way to land a smoking hot sex slave for less than $100 per session.
Picking away at the minutiae is a good way to stall.
Even so, I want to be the one to choose who I spend my time with and don't wantonly accept OTC Invites if a girl suggests this on the first meet Up in the club. It's happened a few times and it comes across as an escort fuck when it is all said and done which is not my cup of tea. I prefer OTC to be more of a GF experience where multiple hours or even days (travel) are part of the experience.
I've yet to go into any club with the expectation of finding an OTC and I very rarely pursue the option.. If anything I take the entire experience as it comes with no expectations and no plans past that evening inside the club.
When OTC happens for me is when I find out they are on SA looking and if there seems to be a level of comfort and compatibility that goes both ways.
Overall under these criteria the times when there is an OTC it's been good and normally a repeated meeting.
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No..no...no...it requires a System and years of experience to pay for sex. More like general relativity than Q.M.
Remember - if you choose a dancer who always has drama around her - then there’s a good chance that drama will be both itc and otc.
TBH, it's never really all that much fun. Whatever my expectations are, even if they are met, which is rare, it's still just a mechanical act in exchange for money. I think many guys want to do OTC because it makes them feel good about themselves, believing that a dancer likes them and trusts them enough to open up to them during their off-hours. But it's never really worth it to me, in retrospect.
If a dancer is willing to be sensual and hands-on ITC, that will probably feel a lot better than anything I'm ever likely to get OTC. It might even be a better value, too. And plenty of them are willing to get handsy ITC. So does that mean I'll stop asking for OTC? No. Because I'm as mentally fucked up as the next PL. It's always best to admit one's shortcomings.
Not the young dancers.....LOL
my CF is the only dancer i've ever requested OTC from and i can tell she's never gonna meet me OTC
My ATF asked me so that doesn't count, a past CF turned me down flat, another past CF lied about being available just to string me along, and two said yes so technically I'm 2 for 4 I suppose. But this is only because I was asking girls I've already established a relationship with; 50% is silly high due to the small sample size.
If I asked all my regulars for OTC...Hmmm....I'd expect to get a 1-10 at best. I think at other clubs it would be reversed though. If anyone is struggling with OTC, it's probably par for the course so just keep at it.
Of course, some of them flake out on me. However, I have always had a good time in my OTC meets--GFE and all that. Sex OTC is so much better than sex ITC.
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Perhaps it could be they don't ask many girls for OTC and the ones they ask they already got a history w/ and have spent well on-her ITC, vs asking a dancer the first-visit one meets her.
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Not *always*, but if I'm enjoying someone's company, and we seem to be compatible, I'm going to be much more comfortable in a place where I can lock the door and not be in danger of the the cops raiding the place. Not to mention being able to slow things down, and hopefully, be more relaxed.