Future of strip club industry in US

The SC industry has evolved as the broader sex industry has changed. It will survive.

By the time gen gets old automation will be in full swing economy will have collapsed and we'll have brothels open again like the wild west.

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Its dying... face it... but it won't totally die anytime soon.

Strip clubs had two things to compete with fifteen years ago, escorts (it was hard to find a good one) and porn, which you had to go to the video store for, worrying if you were going to run into your neighbor catching you walk out of the porno room.

Now, there's endless places escorts can advertise on the internet, sugar daddy websites, phone apps where you can hook up with women who want to have sex, and the biggest blows of all, cam sites, and endless free porn on the internet. Yes, most of us here hate cam sites, but there are many PLs out there that settle for cam sites and porn because they don't even need to leave their home.

I've been clubbing since the late 90s so I have almost 20 years under my belt. I can't even come close to compare to others here much older to me, but in the limited time of clubbing I have experienced - my "golden age" would be the early 2000s, mainly fueled by Seductions in Niagara Falls Ontario which (back then) would be fair to be called the "Canadian Follies."

it's dying... IMO the casual customer has not returned post-great-recession since their disposable income has not recovered. Clubs that used to be be over flowing with 7-ups are struggling to fill a full rotation with less than stellar talent. Talent that doesn't try to be friendly and burdens you with they sob stories. Too much of the talent is on opioids etc.

It's dying. I've been clubbing since '95.

The corporate customer hasn't returned since companies were pressured via glass-ceiling feminists to no longer allow expense reports for club visits on or off company time. This was 25% revenue from easy, low mileage, frequent customers that vanished overnight.

Since the '90s the typical customer spends the about the same $$$ amount as he did 20 years ago, but the club costs for owners have gone up.

Unable to coax more spending from the typical customer from a typical visit -- legal fees, taxes, rent, energy have all gone up for the owners -- the owners extract cash from the only people they left can, the dancers, via higher house fees and a larger cut from dancers, and tips outs a mandatory to make payroll for the staff (bouncers, DJ, etc). This squeezes the dancers.

Coupled with the hobbyists who demand more ahem *bang for their *buck, this means extras customers. This drives a lot of the 7-ups out, and the opioid epidemic isn't helping.

I'd prefer it to grow but in South Carolina, many clubs have been shut down. New restrictions added. Several years ago I could see all nude clubs full of customers and hot dancers. I could get more touching in topless only clubs. Now nude clubs are gone. Topless clubs have been shut down and restricted. The closest club requires pasties and charges more than the old clubs did for a lot less action. At least they aren't air dances like some states have.

^ a larger cut from lap dance sales ... and tip outs are mandatory to make payroll ..

About 10 years ago, Ohio passed its Anti Strip Club law. No nudity and no touching. Some municipalities (like Brook Park) have through city ordinances further redefined nudity as partial bare breasts (topless) or bare buttocks, so often bikinis with something to cover the g-string are needed on the floor (booty shorts, skirts, gowns, etc) unless the dancers are like 2 feet away and 2 feet off the ground from the customer. Aka air dance from a mile away.

The indent is to reduce demand (Customers), where the Gov't hope if demand dries up, the dancers will move on, and the clubs will close.

Before returning to clubbing in Ohio (back in Sept 2015) I actually planned to get an escort and have her just dance for me nude in a hotel room, based on the Strip Club laws we have. True story. I mentioned that to the wife, she was OK with it, but said, let's try the club first and go from there. Since me clubbing again was her idea to help improve my mood and as a reward for all that I do.

The dancers do 1 way contact, else they'd never sell many dances, but they risk a $300 prostitution ticket if Vice police catches them. Some allow 2 way contact, but guess who vice still tickets? The dancer. Never the customer. Then I hear she gets fired. What a great government.

The strip club industry is evolving for the worst. New clubs are turning into bikini night clubs where $1,000 bottle service reigns. Local laws limit clubs ability to survive. Internet webcam modeling has also taken over the industry. Strip clubs are unfortunately a dying business

Unfortunately I agree. You can click online and see live nude girls doing sexual acts, bare titties, pussy etc, Go to a strip club and you can't even touch the girls in some clubs. You can't even see nipples in other areas. Nudity? look online. Some people are against strip clubs and they appear to have won in many states. Vast areas of the country have no strip clubs or are severely strip club deficient with almost no dancers, almost no good looking dancers, severe restrictions, and a strip club environment that not many will want to be in. Just my opinion from looking at numbers of strip clubs and reviews from other states. If strip clubs weren't dying, there would be a good one in almost every city with at least 25,000 people in the area. I figure there are enough single guys out of 25,000 that would pay to tip dancers at a strip club if it had hot dancers without lots of restrictions in almost every 25,000 and over population. That could be billions in extra tax revenue and millions of jobs for dancers and staff and our economy would be booming. Savings might plummet among single guys and a few others but no one cares about that.

In Seattle there are also the lingerie barista coffee shops on every corner. A lot of girls who would otherwise strip are doing this instead because the job has less of a stigma and they still get paid decent tips.

Some of the girls I know also use the shops as an easy way to screen men for partying etc. It's a lot easier to tell if a guy has money if he's coming to your hut every day in his new Mercedes vs. meeting him in the club and hoping he's telling you the truth about his job and money. One thing I know is that all these girls, whether in clubs or at a bikini coffee shop, love to go boating.

"I think the quality of dancers has gone down drastically, especially in the wake of internet hookups and the more attractive girls going the sugar daddy route. "

+1. Exactly

Oh, geez. Another "the sky is falling" thread. You boys need to stop smoking whatever it is you're smoking. Or maybe move out of Hicksville.

There have been ups and downs, but over the course of the last 35+ years, I haven't seen much evidence of strip club decline overall. Quite the opposite, in fact.

As I see it the alcohol licensed strip clubs are on their way down. Its because of souring attitudes towards drinking, and especially towards intoxicated drivers. And then having that license always makes it easier on the authorities if they want to crack down. They don't need anything even close to proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Where I see their as being growth potential is:

1. No alcohol clubs, in places like California where you have to have this to have nudity. Back in the early 90's a guy wanted to open KitKat Club Sunnyvale ( now Cheetahs ). Of course the city tried to decline and so he fought it in court and the newspapers. One of his arguments was that Sunnyvale's other clubs attracted drinkers. Whereas his new club would attract naked women watchers. I find the argument to be compelling as many of us have had bad experiences with intoxicated drivers, and we see all the police out on the El Camino around the time the bars close.

2. Membership Clubs, these cannot hold an alcohol license but they can be BYOB. Because these are no longer retail / public places, they get out from under all public lewdness and public sex laws, and it just becomes impractical to enforce much else in them either. Notice that in PGC Maryland they are having to resort to enforcing on zoning ordinances to close some of the most notorious. People have come to expect strip clubs to be sex clubs, and as I see it, Membership Club is the practical way to get away with this.

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SCs should get the same financial breaks that churches get.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ :) :) :)

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The organization I am building will not be a strip club. It won't be a church either, but some of it will be registered as a religion to avoid having to pay property tax.

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Hard to say what will happen - but I don't necessarily see them on an uptrend and there are many forces against them.

SCs by in-large have notoriously often treated customers like shit and shaking them down at every-turn:

• some clubs have forced valet or charge you to park your own car (even if you park down the street on city property)

• some SCs have covers as high as $20

• over-priced and/or watered down drinks

• shortened songs (especially 2-for-1 "specials")

• some clubs have a large chunk of the seating reserved as paid-seating

• everyone wants a tip and the most egregious is the VIP bouncer basically demanding a good-tip or else (or else he'll make sure you don't enjoy your time; i.e. basically a shakedown) - and not too mention the VIP waitress also pretty-much demanding her kickback lest she comes in every 30 seconds to see if you want another drink

• dealing w/ ROBs or bitches w/ terrible attitudes

• ATM-fees that should be illegal

• surly bouncers and staff

• etc

Back in the day SCs were sorta the only game in town except for street-walkers or call-in escorts; so they could more easily get-away w/ being assholes b/c they did not have much competition in the arena - but today it's a different world w/ many more options and thus more PLs, and more dancers, not-wanting to put up with the bullshit in many SCs and these PLs and dancers have more options these days.

The shitty service combined w/ tough local ordinances in most areas of the country and women and PLs having more-choices, means it's hard to see the SCs doing any-better than they are doing now; but who knows.

Reading the discussion boards over the last few years it seems there are more areas now that have worse/no SC-scenes than areas that have improved or gained a good SC scene.

Don't forget to add that the top cam girls actually meet with clients in person for high end escorting...this is killing the high end of strip clubs for sure

"... Don't forget to add that the top cam girls actually meet with clients in person for high end escorting ..."

Hadn't thought of that but def makes sense if the PL is a big-enough fish for her to pass-up.

I automatically assumed cam-girls cammed so they didn't have to physically interact w/ PLs.

I sense SCs would not go away completely but continue to shrink as seemingly more-and-more localities don't want them (and again there being other options).

You have to look at their page...some of the hottest one's sell very expensive packages to travel to you or give you a tour of her place

I frequent use the free can site advertising on tuscl...a good percentage of these girls are selling in person interactions..but you need a deep Wallet

John Smith could swim in DS pussy if he went this route

Tl;dr

Do you ever hear about a new strip club opening up? It's a NIMBY issue, and the only reason we still have the old clubs is because the restrictive zoning laws only target new clubs.

Sex is the strongest human motivation, in a tie with food, and yet our society suppresses the expression of that desire, channeling it out of the public space and into cyberspace. It's not just cam girls that are drawing away custies, either. The ubiquity of (free) hardcore porn is very hard (heh) to compete with for males' attention. This affects not just strip clubs, but all facets of society, and is contributing to the phenomenon of young men "dropping out." Think about young women, too: they lost their religion, but they gained feminism, so having sex for money went from being taboo because it was a sin to being taboo because it was patriarchal exploitation. Either way, it's a tough psychological barrier for the smart, well-educated (both of which are highly correlated with good looks) ones to cross.

I can't explain why, exactly, but despite all the rap videos and celebrity sex tapes, there is still deep sexual repression among even the younger generations in this country. Some of my friends growing up had the money and looks to have plenty of casual sex and a variety of sexual experiences, such as visiting strip clubs, but barely had any interest in playing the field. All of that was either gross or tacky to them--worth missing out on.

Then there is the geography issue. If you live in the wrong jurisdiction, you're fucked. Or rather, not, because in many places between the Appalachians and the Rockies, the local vice squad takes its job very seriously, and is good at it. And nobody protests because who the hell wants to go on record as a whoremonger or some other breed of pervert?

Finally, I'll just confirm the impression that dancer quality is bad. In most clubs, 7 is the ceiling, not the floor. And at the point, there is no point, as far as I'm concerned (which could just as well be said of this rambling post, but there you have it).

FWIW, they list 2176 clubs in the US. Not all that long ago, it was 2200. It was probably higher than that once.

I see it changing before it dies. As @wildbourbon maybe alluded to, adapting a more lingerie cofee/booze type integration. A place where the strippers are also your waitresses.

GMD --> "Or maybe move out of Hicksville. "

^^^ Probably not a bad idea. ;-)

I found 3 closed clubs listed on TUSCL in the last 8 days. Each was in a different metro area. One was closed for a year already. The second one had been shut down about six months ago. The third had been closed down just in the last two months. Occasionally, I find clubs that are new or not listed on TUSCL, but that is rare compared to stumbling across clubs that have closed down. The industry is definitely in a slow decline.