It's a year 2017 and I can assure you, that business is not what it used to be 5-10 years ago. But let me tell you : $200 /shift, about 6 hours long is being considered VERY bad, AWFUL shift. I'm talking about day shift here. Working weekend nights girls make EASILY $100+/hour. No sucking/fucking. You do extras as some of my Co workers do, you get to take home $1000-$2000/shift without a problem. So there. Strictly lap dances, no touching except legs and butt=$100+/hour. $20/lap dance, so you do your math. Of course you don't dance the whole hour straight, unfortunately, lol
Business is not but you got to keep moving. Day shift requires cult of regulars. Weekends are usually busier but necessarily better moneywise. Extras are almost found in every club wither it's known or not. Extras do exist. Dancing money can add up if you continue your hustle and not give up. Dancing an hr straight kills the body so having a regular who prefers the social expect and the physical activities breaks up any shift.
You sound you might be burnt out. Take a day or 2 off, have a breather then go back to the grind. Switching clubs can help too!
I agree, business isn't the same as it was 5 to 10 years ago, but then again neither are the clubs or the dancers.
Clubs aren't managed as well as they have been in the past. I have seen a lot more run down clubs than in the past. Too often bouncers are either on a power trip or running some type of scam. Songs are being cut a lot shorter than before in many clubs.
Dancer quality on average is also lower the last few years. Five years ago my favorite clubs dancers were almost all between 7 and 9 in looks. Now the same clubs the dancers are mostly 6's and 7's with a few 8's and rarely a 9 or better. If you do happen to meet a 9 far too often she is relying on her looks more than her attitude.
Feature dancers are a lot more lame. I don't visit clubs for features, but there are customers who do. If there happens to be a good feature they are too often way overpriced. I have seen several times a customer go up and ask the price for a lap dance from the feature and the prices quoted are stupidly high and then leave. That's lost money for the club and the feature. I remember up until the mid 90's in some clubs the top features would have guys lining up for dances between her shows.
All these and more add up to less customers which means less money which means less young women wanting to dance. Things will likely pick up in a year or two, but that doesn't mean a good dancer can't make good money.
If anything with less competition a skilled and decent looking dancer can make tons of money, if she works for it. Problem is far too many dancers just sit at a table together not asking for dances and complaining they aren't making any money.
i don't know where you work, but the times, they are a changing. There is no such thing as fast easy money anymore. Heck it's hard to find just fast or easy money. i don't know where you consider $200 for a 6 hour day shift to be a horrible, terrible, no good, very bad day, unless you are talking about before tipout and fees, in which case she might take home less than half of that, although day shift fees are usually lower. There's usually a reason that day shift girls make less than night shift girls and it's not just the customers. There really aren't too many jobs in the real world that pay $30+ an hour (before taxes) for the often unskilled, uneducated (4 year degree or higher) stripper.
Also where do weekend night girls make $100/hour easily and cleanly? Usually making $100+/hour (or 800+ a night; night shifts are longer, particularly on weekends) consistently is reserved for the top earners or the dirty girls with regulars or both. Maybe if they're super hot and the club is busy (and clubs these days tend not to be as busy), they can try to hustle as many fools as they can until they catch on, but nowadays post recession and possibly pre-new recession, middle class peeps aren't going to have hundreds let alone thousands of dollars of disposable income to spend at strip clubs. And the little money they bring, they're not going to want to spend it all on low mileage lap dances for $20+ dollars. Not in this age of free porn, mostly free webcams, and free hookups for the younger dudes and the older dudes are also more careful with their money to be spending their future retirement on low mileage non-GFE. That's just the current reality. We're seeing the adjustment that these girls (and customers) are making to it in the present state of strip clubs for better or worse, mostly worse IMO, but again, its reflective of the economy. The girls than can deal with it, do, and the ones that can't, well, i guess they get real jobs. Not that stripping isn't a real job...
The job of the stripper was pretty straightforward 20 years ago. Lots of tease and very little extras. The average age, and average years in the business, was older than now. Far fewer women considered stripping but, if they did, they stayed in the profession until the lifestyle wore them out.
Now, the porn culture has made this an acceptable job for a much wider percent of the population. Young women start stripping mostly for the money but also because of the desire for fame in the era of the Kardashians and reality TV.
The ratio of tease to extras has also been reversed. In the good old days, extras were almost unheard of. Now, there is an expectation of extras.
As the OP said, dancers who have a regular group of customers seeking extras can do very well financially. Whether they are still strippers, or something else, is up for debate.
Dancers who don't do extras make far less money. Some dancers get angry about that, which eventually drives them from the business. Others accept it and continue dancing, knowing they are still making more than they could ever make working in an office.
Mark94--one of my first post on here I asked what the differences were from 20-25 years ago because I had not been to a strip club for almost 25 years. Most of the replies alluded to the fact nothing had changed......from the few recent experiences I have had I felt differently. At least I know now I am not the only one. You just confirmed someone else sees something I have observed. Extras seem much more common in the club and dropping a couple hundred dollars in a club as a client seems to have a lot more clout and attention than it did a in the early 90's.
I still am not so certain being a stripper is considered acceptable although the modern media and women's magazines/blogs etc certainly are doing their dead level best to make it appear so. To the 20 something crowd yes, and to the music video world yes, especially in the hip hop and rapper videos. I see a lot of self promotion but I'm not so sure there are all that many that have transitioned to the civi world beyond reality TV, ( Cardi B comes to mind)
I went to the same club twice last week and got a lot further than I ever did my first go round with any of the women, and making friends with the bartenders, house managers, even the owner on the second night. The girls move in quicker for making you a regular and the intent isn't just to tease......
Probably gonna depend on the city. Overall the country is booming, and especially cities like NYC, Seattle, San Fran. Other cities doing good but not as great. A few still not doing well.
Averages are hard for people to calculate intuitively: they'll bias the big nights, discount the bad ones. Why it would be good to write it all down, but then the IRS...
I like the rationale, $200 6 hours of work is bad. Think about it, if you didn't have a college or technical degree, probably had a GED instead of a diploma, only had to work 6 hours instead of the usual 8 hours, and would make $52K a year? I know about 200 people working at the WalMart down the street that would sprint to where ever a job like that was being offered.
I agree that dancer total year income has gone down, but so too that dancer's should not be considering dancing for a long time / life time. I think dancers ought to "take the money and run," while you can at least. I think as one who dances for many years that a dancer's value is declining as she is regularly exposing herself more to bad habits like drinking, smoking and desperate behavior that happens from the psychological effects from "bad" nights. Every day dancers are competing for charitable donations from willing patrons, so that also depends on economic generosity. Times are not very charitable right now, and people do not have a lot of extra money right now just to spend on "entertainment." You have to keep all of this in perspective.
True, unemployment is lower, but so is median income adjusted. The salaries and hourly wages for most of the new jobs are a lot less than the ones that were lost in 2007 and 2008.
Automation is eliminating jobs in more and more professions. Manufacturing plants that used to need 5,000 employees now need only 1,000, mostly to monitor the machines. Over the next 20-30 years, nearly every job will be at risk. Hell, we should even have sexbots by then.
I wonder what the world will look like when we have tremendous prosperity generated by machines, but 30% of the population is permanently unemployed.
I don't think dancers making less has much to do with the economy, since what guys spend doesn't seem to correlate much with what they can afford. I think it has more to do with what is perceived as cool in pop culture and the lack of cash ppl carry around normally. If some part of the economy does lead to dancers making more, it's when guys who get paid mostly in cash are making more. I often see where guys are scared of their wives seeing the ATM withdrawal location, or the cc. It's much easier for wives to track where money goes electronically now. Ppl mostly use credit and debit cards daily, and rarely go to the ATM to get cash for random needs. This also hurts the stage tips, which sustain new girls until they hone their talking and lap dance skills. Less tipping on stage makes stuff less exciting for the party crowd too, so that strip clubs in general have less of that glamor and exciting feel.
It's a very fluid situation and scenarios are different depending on individual dynamics. I myself have plenty of cash on me at all times and can afford to spend it, however the value of service has dipped.
Most times I leave the club after a few drinks and a couple dances. Girls are fly by wanna dance types, or waiting for their whale regulars to make bank with extra services. If they concentrated time on rapport and delivering sensual services, not extras, I could easily part with $100-$200 for 30-60 minutes of a dancer's time. Usually that happens in one out of 5 visits. I bring $200-$300 in cash, and 80% of my visits have me being home most of the cash in my wallet.
The conundrum that girls go through is perplexing. Many are uneducated and believe they should be able to get by on their looks and wait for their ship to come in with whales. The good ones constantly cultivate relationships. The poor ones generally are the millenial types that easily give up on something that isn't handed to them, therefore they can't handle much rejection and fail to hone their "stick with it" mentality through the ups and downs of business. Usually the more astute girls have regulars and have been in the game for 5-10 years or longer. It's like any other job, where you get good after 10,000 repetitious hours of doing something. Today's youth seemed to be more focused on living as much experiences on many different things without being tied down. They don't value the coveted stability that comes with long term commitment, yet we are talking about strip clubs which is the most uncommital environment you can find.
@Bj99 there a few reviews by dancers in the mix, most likely written to get site access but still a different perspective, some have been interesting. There is plenty of good useful information here mixed with the usual, boys will be boys fun. We even have a few few female regulars posters in case you were interested.
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You sound you might be burnt out. Take a day or 2 off, have a breather then go back to the grind. Switching clubs can help too!
Clubs aren't managed as well as they have been in the past. I have seen a lot more run down clubs than in the past. Too often bouncers are either on a power trip or running some type of scam. Songs are being cut a lot shorter than before in many clubs.
Dancer quality on average is also lower the last few years. Five years ago my favorite clubs dancers were almost all between 7 and 9 in looks. Now the same clubs the dancers are mostly 6's and 7's with a few 8's and rarely a 9 or better. If you do happen to meet a 9 far too often she is relying on her looks more than her attitude.
Feature dancers are a lot more lame. I don't visit clubs for features, but there are customers who do. If there happens to be a good feature they are too often way overpriced. I have seen several times a customer go up and ask the price for a lap dance from the feature and the prices quoted are stupidly high and then leave. That's lost money for the club and the feature. I remember up until the mid 90's in some clubs the top features would have guys lining up for dances between her shows.
All these and more add up to less customers which means less money which means less young women wanting to dance. Things will likely pick up in a year or two, but that doesn't mean a good dancer can't make good money.
If anything with less competition a skilled and decent looking dancer can make tons of money, if she works for it. Problem is far too many dancers just sit at a table together not asking for dances and complaining they aren't making any money.
Also where do weekend night girls make $100/hour easily and cleanly? Usually making $100+/hour (or 800+ a night; night shifts are longer, particularly on weekends) consistently is reserved for the top earners or the dirty girls with regulars or both. Maybe if they're super hot and the club is busy (and clubs these days tend not to be as busy), they can try to hustle as many fools as they can until they catch on, but nowadays post recession and possibly pre-new recession, middle class peeps aren't going to have hundreds let alone thousands of dollars of disposable income to spend at strip clubs. And the little money they bring, they're not going to want to spend it all on low mileage lap dances for $20+ dollars. Not in this age of free porn, mostly free webcams, and free hookups for the younger dudes and the older dudes are also more careful with their money to be spending their future retirement on low mileage non-GFE. That's just the current reality. We're seeing the adjustment that these girls (and customers) are making to it in the present state of strip clubs for better or worse, mostly worse IMO, but again, its reflective of the economy. The girls than can deal with it, do, and the ones that can't, well, i guess they get real jobs. Not that stripping isn't a real job...
Now, the porn culture has made this an acceptable job for a much wider percent of the population. Young women start stripping mostly for the money but also because of the desire for fame in the era of the Kardashians and reality TV.
The ratio of tease to extras has also been reversed. In the good old days, extras were almost unheard of. Now, there is an expectation of extras.
As the OP said, dancers who have a regular group of customers seeking extras can do very well financially. Whether they are still strippers, or something else, is up for debate.
Dancers who don't do extras make far less money. Some dancers get angry about that, which eventually drives them from the business. Others accept it and continue dancing, knowing they are still making more than they could ever make working in an office.
It's a message board. Like the rest of us, all you're going to do is type.
I have no problem with hearing from the dancers away from the silliness of StripperWeb, even if I don't believe or agree with the point of view.
I still am not so certain being a stripper is considered acceptable although the modern media and women's magazines/blogs etc certainly are doing their dead level best to make it appear so. To the 20 something crowd yes, and to the music video world yes, especially in the hip hop and rapper videos. I see a lot of self promotion but I'm not so sure there are all that many that have transitioned to the civi world beyond reality TV, ( Cardi B comes to mind)
I went to the same club twice last week and got a lot further than I ever did my first go round with any of the women, and making friends with the bartenders, house managers, even the owner on the second night. The girls move in quicker for making you a regular and the intent isn't just to tease......
Averages are hard for people to calculate intuitively: they'll bias the big nights, discount the bad ones. Why it would be good to write it all down, but then the IRS...
Thank you President Trump.
SJG
I wonder what the world will look like when we have tremendous prosperity generated by machines, but 30% of the population is permanently unemployed.
Most times I leave the club after a few drinks and a couple dances. Girls are fly by wanna dance types, or waiting for their whale regulars to make bank with extra services. If they concentrated time on rapport and delivering sensual services, not extras, I could easily part with $100-$200 for 30-60 minutes of a dancer's time. Usually that happens in one out of 5 visits. I bring $200-$300 in cash, and 80% of my visits have me being home most of the cash in my wallet.
The conundrum that girls go through is perplexing. Many are uneducated and believe they should be able to get by on their looks and wait for their ship to come in with whales. The good ones constantly cultivate relationships. The poor ones generally are the millenial types that easily give up on something that isn't handed to them, therefore they can't handle much rejection and fail to hone their "stick with it" mentality through the ups and downs of business. Usually the more astute girls have regulars and have been in the game for 5-10 years or longer. It's like any other job, where you get good after 10,000 repetitious hours of doing something. Today's youth seemed to be more focused on living as much experiences on many different things without being tied down. They don't value the coveted stability that comes with long term commitment, yet we are talking about strip clubs which is the most uncommital environment you can find.