Rules to follow to avoiding getting robbed OTC
impala
The People's Republic of Pennsylvania
And, to start with, I'm not just talking about a ROB (rip off bitch), but to actually avoid getting robbed (held up if you may). After a discussion with a co-worker that recently had a less than pleasurable experience, it made me recall when I was actually robbed by a pimp one time (years ago) when I had set up some OTC action. These are rules also good for escorts. If anyone has anything to ad or offer please jump in. These are just a few "rules" I try to go by:
- Never get undressed first. Most times IMO if you are gonna get taken, the girl wants to be able either get out quick. If she is reluctant to undress until you do, she may be looking to bolt. Also, if things don't feel right your clothed and can get out easily yourself.
- If your at her hotel room, make sure the door is not only locked but the chain is on the door. This prevents someone else who may have an additional key from entering the room to intimidate you, especially if you are not fully clothed.
- If at her place (hotel or home), do a quick check to make sure no one else is there. Nothing worse than having her pimp/boyfriend/muscle coming out of the bathroom.
- Don't let her leave the room "to talk to a friend". Although she may have a friend working there also, it's more likely her pimp, and he is gonna come in right behind her.
- Don't let her leave your sight with any money.
- No money comes out until at least the door is locked and she is naked, and if possible till your done.
- Don't ever let her into your room with anouther guy, ever. If she shows up at your hotel and she has someone with her, you are now outnumbered and have let them in.
- Be wary of excessive texting when you first arrive, she may be letting her pimp know how best to rob you. Ask her to turn off her phone, or at least silence it and put it where she isn't checking it.
- If she seems nervous, pay attention.
- Be wary of a dancer who just "got fired" and is willing to do just about anything for a lot less than expected. She may be just trying to get you to show up.
- Only take in the money that you agreed to. Leave your wallet and phone locked up in your vehicle. If your car has number pad for entry, also leave your keys locked up too (if you do get robbed, at least your only out what you were going to be out).
- If you can, do your recon. If she has a dude always hanging around her at the club, may be her boyfriend/husband/pimp.
- If things just don't feel right, bail. Don't think it will get better, or that you will see what happens. Usually your first impression is the right one.
Well, these are just a few rules I try to go by. Yes, I have broken them a few times. And a couple of times I have gotten burned by breaking them. Anyone with anything to ad please do.
- Never get undressed first. Most times IMO if you are gonna get taken, the girl wants to be able either get out quick. If she is reluctant to undress until you do, she may be looking to bolt. Also, if things don't feel right your clothed and can get out easily yourself.
- If your at her hotel room, make sure the door is not only locked but the chain is on the door. This prevents someone else who may have an additional key from entering the room to intimidate you, especially if you are not fully clothed.
- If at her place (hotel or home), do a quick check to make sure no one else is there. Nothing worse than having her pimp/boyfriend/muscle coming out of the bathroom.
- Don't let her leave the room "to talk to a friend". Although she may have a friend working there also, it's more likely her pimp, and he is gonna come in right behind her.
- Don't let her leave your sight with any money.
- No money comes out until at least the door is locked and she is naked, and if possible till your done.
- Don't ever let her into your room with anouther guy, ever. If she shows up at your hotel and she has someone with her, you are now outnumbered and have let them in.
- Be wary of excessive texting when you first arrive, she may be letting her pimp know how best to rob you. Ask her to turn off her phone, or at least silence it and put it where she isn't checking it.
- If she seems nervous, pay attention.
- Be wary of a dancer who just "got fired" and is willing to do just about anything for a lot less than expected. She may be just trying to get you to show up.
- Only take in the money that you agreed to. Leave your wallet and phone locked up in your vehicle. If your car has number pad for entry, also leave your keys locked up too (if you do get robbed, at least your only out what you were going to be out).
- If you can, do your recon. If she has a dude always hanging around her at the club, may be her boyfriend/husband/pimp.
- If things just don't feel right, bail. Don't think it will get better, or that you will see what happens. Usually your first impression is the right one.
Well, these are just a few rules I try to go by. Yes, I have broken them a few times. And a couple of times I have gotten burned by breaking them. Anyone with anything to ad please do.
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" If things just don't feel right, bail. Don't think it will get better, or that you will see what happens. Usually your first impression is the right one"
In other words trust your instincts great rules to remember @Impala
For strippers: For myself, I only OTC with my ATF -- that is, I'll have seen her a few times in the club first. It feels like a lot of the rules are fine ideas, but more applicable to women you don't know very well.
I don't understand this "go to her hotel room" thing with strippers... that's an escort rule, right? Strippers won't have hotel rooms ready and waiting. When I do OTC with my ATF, we're going to my hotel room, which I've typically booked via Hotel Tonight on the fly
I think if this happened to me a lot, I would get her phone number and try to do a quick online background check if those sites aren't rip offs. I just don't have experience trying to check on people spur of the moment.
1) Meet LG in Germany
2) Partake in epic FKK bender
3) problem solved
And if you don't have one and plan to OTC regularly then get a concealed permit and a good handgun and know how to use it.
Papi, as far as a gun, OK if I'm in my home state, but I travel quite a bit and isn't always an option.
The gun thing. Get some training and range time under your belt first. A gun newbie with a handgun is more dangerous to himself than anyone else in the room.
Also, keep in mind that the stripper has as much (if not more) to fear than we do. We're afraid of getting robbed. She's afraid of getting murdered.
That's the weird thing about some of the discussion above. It sounds like some of you guys get invited back to the stripper's place -- and it's a stripper you don't know very well. Around here, strippers guard knowledge of where they live, more even than they guard their real first names and phone numbers -- that is, I don't think I've EVER been invited to a stripper's home if she doesn't know me VERY well, which always made sense to me because of the bad outcomes that can occur. As a result, for me, I'd be in condition orange the moment a stripper I don't know very well invited me to her place or to her hotel room: both actions are VERY outside normal behavior even for strippers.
So, will ask again: where you guys are, it's normal for a stripper you don't know well to invite you back to her place or to a hotel room that she for some reason has? Or are we mixing in stripper and escort discussion?
If there are strippers that are dysfunctional enough to give BBBJs and even BBFS to guys they don't know (and it happens), then these same strippers inviting a guy back to their place is not much of a stretch - hell there are even some slutty civvies that will do that w/ a guy they met at a bar -not saying it's common nor the norm but anything can happenen and does happen in strip club bizarro-world - and some clubs/areas are more raunchy than others..
If I get too many red flags waving, then I either move on or limit my activities to ITC.
With both strippers and escorts, there are for-pay phone lookup services that escorts use, that not only get most cell phones, but even have a decent chance of returning real names to google voice and other 3rd party services. I use stumpthemonkey.com, I'm not sure it's the best, but I reverse lookup EVERY stripper, prospective sugar baby, and bodyrub girl I might meet in person, every time, and can get their real name -- and from that their address -- most of the time, and sometimes do a public arrest record search.
No. Just no.
Good tips. Good that you have thought it through.
But I think still better if you know the girl some, and if you take her first to your place or your motel.
SJG
Just had a wonderful OTC experience with an Amazon black stripper at her place in north Phoenix. We met at her club 3 weeks ago, had a complete make-out session in VIP, and when I asked her if she played outside, she said, "Not with people I don't know. Let's do lunch to get to know each other" and exchanged phone numbers. I returned to the club a week later; another superior GFE experience in the VIP room. I texted her later that week, she went from inviting me to lunch to inviting me to her place for lunch. She gave me her address, we met up and lunch tuned into a massage, which turned into a 69 and then an hour of fucking. Went home still hungry for food.
This is a common theme for my most recent OTC adventures. I don't even have a scintilla of fear I'm gonna get rolled or ripped off or worse, mostly because I do my best to avoid those types of dancers in the club: the drunks, the druggies or the high drama/maintenance girls that so many of the posters here seem to yearn for. I don't have a Facebook acocunt, so I can't stalk her that way, nor do I feel the need to do so.
While I appreciate impala's well-done list, frankly, the only rule one really needs is: If you feel the need to have such a list, then you're seeing the wrong girls.
CP
Fuck, CP beat me to the punch. I was saving up a comment just like that for when I had enough time to post it. I was also going to add that if I had to think that much during OTC encounters then it wouldn't be worth it to me. Honestly a lot of this sounds like it came from some monger site and addresses dealing with random BP girls rather than strippers that you've had some time to assess ITC.
But having said that, I've seen girls all over the spectrum and sometimes even the ones you think are good will surprise you in a bad way. Two simple rules I always follow are (1) Use my own room; and (2) Never pay in advance. IMHO these two simple rules vastly simplify a lot of this stuff. When I'm traveling I stay in nicer hotels where a potential accomplice does not have easy anonymous access to my room, which I'm sure helps too.
I've heard that many escorts will refuse to take payment after, but I rarely encounter a stripper who objects and I've cycled through a lot of girls over the years.
But with all of that said, I agree about going with your gut. I've had my share of trials and tribulations (many I've posted here), but many more times than not I've picked well and learned to avoid most of the troubled girls. If something feels off for any reason, then it is better to leave the club empty-handed than to take the girl OTC in the first place.
I did meet two very aggressive dancers several years ago that probably would have been ok with just about whatever I wanted to do. I had one dancer who I only let her do table dances suggest she could move in with me when I never even went out with her. Now that was a stretch suggestion. I bet she would have said ok if I said ok. I was thinking I might have had trouble getting her to move out. Now that I'm a few years older, I doubt I'm going to have many dancers suggesting things anymore. The crazy strippers seem to find me right away though.
I think getting invited to the house might be common if they feel safe with you. One invited me to hers after we found out all the hotels were booked in the area due to some event going on. Another invited me because she was drunk and hungry so she needed a ride to get food.
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Reminds me of dancer (I'll call her Danielle) I had seen many times, mostly at her apartment and a few times at my house. I always felt completely safe.
After Danielle got married (to a truck driver), I happened to hit on her friend who was a dancer in the same club. I told Danielle's friend where I lived and showed her a picture of my house to entice her over to my place. In a fit of honesty, she said that she'd already been to my house! WTF?? Turns out, she was often (always?) in the adjoining room when I was at Danielle's apartment and she was out in the car outside my house when Danielle was at my house.
Nothing ever happened, just illustrates how terrified Danielle must have been to be alone with me.
Ch3ll -- I can see that, but to me it still begs the question of whether they feel safe the very first time they meet you? I've been invited to the house of strippers I know decently well, that doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is that a stripper who you've know for a grand total of an hour (or whatever), "feels safe" -- I don't really trust anyone after just one trip...
While I appreciate impala's well-done list, frankly, the only rule one really needs is: If you feel the need to have such a list, then you're seeing the wrong girls. "
Chili -- I still think Impala's kind of mixed together escort and stripper recommendations. For an escort, if it's your first time meeting her, you know her by reviews (if she even has any) and nothing else. I think a lot of the rules are good rules to follow.
Like you, when it comes to strippers, I tend to stick with girls who seem to have it together ... but more importantly, for me, we're not going to each others' houses unless we know each other a bit. And, everywhere in life, I have a "trust but verify" MO