Rules to follow to avoiding getting robbed OTC

Good tips. The only one I thought of is that if a girl hits on you out of the blue wanting to go back to her place in a strip club, might be a set up to be robbed. I've heard stories about good looking girls get business guys drinks and add something to knock them out or make them forget and run up huge charges on their credit cards while making them think they are going to get lucky. I'd like to think maybe one out of thousand girls was thinking strip clubs were full of desperate horny guys and that they could visit and pick up any guy they wanted to go have sex just by asking out of the blue. Could happen. However I could also win the 7000 a week for life sweepstakes. Scam artists and thieves are a lot more common.

This is the most important always keep it in mind

" If things just don't feel right, bail. Don't think it will get better, or that you will see what happens. Usually your first impression is the right one"

In other words trust your instincts great rules to remember @Impala

For non-strippers: only go with well-reviewed girls. Participate in local forums, and when possible, contact a review-writer or two directly to get the straight dope.

For strippers: For myself, I only OTC with my ATF -- that is, I'll have seen her a few times in the club first. It feels like a lot of the rules are fine ideas, but more applicable to women you don't know very well.

I don't understand this "go to her hotel room" thing with strippers... that's an escort rule, right? Strippers won't have hotel rooms ready and waiting. When I do OTC with my ATF, we're going to my hotel room, which I've typically booked via Hotel Tonight on the fly

Anyone got any rules if a girl asks to go back to her place and doesn't mention anything about money? This happened to me in a strip club just a few years ago. No joke.
I think if this happened to me a lot, I would get her phone number and try to do a quick online background check if those sites aren't rip offs. I just don't have experience trying to check on people spur of the moment.

I realize this isn't very insightful but...

1. Meet LG in Germany
2. Partake in epic FKK bender
3. problem solved

Take your gun.

And if you don't have one and plan to OTC regularly then get a concealed permit and a good handgun and know how to use it.

Sharkhunter, I've a couple of times went back with a chick that I met at a bar that once we got to her place and started getting busy hit me up for some money. I don't have a problem if I think initially their a pro, but have a serious problem if I thought that their a civilian.

Papi, as far as a gun, OK if I'm in my home state, but I travel quite a bit and isn't always an option.

^ rent a gun for the day

Good rules. The worst that has happen to me was a dancer that I met from the now closed Shooter Alley in Atlanta stole my credit cards out of my wallet a couple of years ago during an OTC session. I got caught slipping but fortunately I was able to cancel both of my cards before she used them. I blame myself for that because I left my wallet in plan view instead of hiding it like I usually do.

^ yeah - one should never leave their valuables (cash, watch, wallet, etc) unattended when w/ a P4P chick (and that includes ITC also)

At first I thought this list was kinda paranoid. Then I remembered that I used to take a gun on dates with video girl because her boyfriend scares me. So I guess it's best to be safe until you know the girl.

Scariest time ever was having a pimp holding a gun on naked me while she went through me clothes looking for anything in value. They took my wallet, my phone, and my car keys. At least they left my clothes. Not going into details but will say was a royal bitch of a time getting everything straitened out (and never did see that car again).

I never do OTC without some research. Most times, they have their cell phone linked to Facebook. So, now you have a name and a phone number. That is usually enough to get her mugshots and her arrest record. I once found a dancer (post OTC in my naive days) that had two counts of a bad felony with a gun.

Like Subraman, I tend to only OTC with girls that I've seen ITC several times. I use several of the measures in the OP, but a lot of it comes down to gut instinct. And, giving your gut veto power over your dick.

The gun thing. Get some training and range time under your belt first. A gun newbie with a handgun is more dangerous to himself than anyone else in the room.

Also, keep in mind that the stripper has as much (if not more) to fear than we do. We're afraid of getting robbed. She's afraid of getting murdered.

-->"Also, keep in mind that the stripper has as much (if not more) to fear than we do. We're afraid of getting robbed. She's afraid of getting murdered. "

That's the weird thing about some of the discussion above. It sounds like some of you guys get invited back to the stripper's place -- and it's a stripper you don't know very well. Around here, strippers guard knowledge of where they live, more even than they guard their real first names and phone numbers -- that is, I don't think I've EVER been invited to a stripper's home if she doesn't know me VERY well, which always made sense to me because of the bad outcomes that can occur. As a result, for me, I'd be in condition orange the moment a stripper I don't know very well invited me to her place or to her hotel room: both actions are VERY outside normal behavior even for strippers.

So, will ask again: where you guys are, it's normal for a stripper you don't know well to invite you back to her place or to a hotel room that she for some reason has? Or are we mixing in stripper and escort discussion?

Being big tall and black also helps lol

@ Subra:

If there are strippers that are dysfunctional enough to give BBBJs and even BBFS to guys they don't know (and it happens), then these same strippers inviting a guy back to their place is not much of a stretch - hell there are even some slutty civvies that will do that w/ a guy they met at a bar -not saying it's common nor the norm but anything can happenen and does happen in strip club bizarro-world - and some clubs/areas are more raunchy than others..

My rule is I never do OTC with a dancer I haven't gotten to know during at least a few visit. If I got robbed, I know the club knows how to find her. I've had P4P with strangers though though these are pretty good tips in that situation.

^ a lot of strippers are used to hanging with lowlifes in their real lives and often times a strip-club custy is a step up for them and less of a problem/threat than the people they associate with

^not entirety but all the same, you'd think a city of that caliber you mentioned PC would be a great fit for a stripper to escape insanity and instability

Some guys regard a stripper with no concept of safety as 'exciting'. I regard them as 'high risk' on multiple levels.

If I get too many red flags waving, then I either move on or limit my activities to ITC.

BTW guys, again when it comes to escorts: you can drastically reduce your risk to almost 0, by only going with well-reviewed escorts, and then by being tied into your local scene (most big cities have local forums) enough that you can PM the guys who have reviewed her. I will NEVER understand how guys just pick out a random backpage girl based just on pics (knowing how often the girls lie with pics), with no reviews, and then just walk into her place -- unconscious self-destructive tendencies? Stripper-level judgement? Senior moment?

With both strippers and escorts, there are for-pay phone lookup services that escorts use, that not only get most cell phones, but even have a decent chance of returning real names to google voice and other 3rd party services. I use stumpthemonkey.com, I'm not sure it's the best, but I reverse lookup EVERY stripper, prospective sugar baby, and bodyrub girl I might meet in person, every time, and can get their real name -- and from that their address -- most of the time, and sometimes do a public arrest record search.

I used to always use BP, but like Subraman says, cross check with TER. My g/f has 4 pages of TER reviews, so I was confident she'd but what I expected. The only problem is the JS69 girls....18ish years old...will rarely have any reviews so you kind of cut out the youngest age group.

Backpage is a septic tank.

No. Just no.

Well, BP worked out for me...no shit.

In this area, everyone advertises on BP -- the best-of-the-best girls, and the ripoff girls, and everyone in between. So chances are you'll be going through BP no matter what, but you need a system (e.g., always check reviews) to identify who is legit

Subraman, I 'stalked' my BP escort g/f for 5 years, so I could meet her as a friend and not a P4P. I wrote about it in case you didn't see the thread...and yes, the first time we met I told her she didn't know how we met, and told her the whole story. She was flattered I put in so much effort...

Yes indeed, getting "those kinds of girls" naked in motel rooms and in their own questionable places, is a big adventure.

Good tips. Good that you have thought it through.

But I think still better if you know the girl some, and if you take her first to your place or your motel.

SJG

Subra:

Just had a wonderful OTC experience with an Amazon black stripper at her place in north Phoenix. We met at her club 3 weeks ago, had a complete make-out session in VIP, and when I asked her if she played outside, she said, "Not with people I don't know. Let's do lunch to get to know each other" and exchanged phone numbers. I returned to the club a week later; another superior GFE experience in the VIP room. I texted her later that week, she went from inviting me to lunch to inviting me to her place for lunch. She gave me her address, we met up and lunch tuned into a massage, which turned into a 69 and then an hour of fucking. Went home still hungry for food.

This is a common theme for my most recent OTC adventures. I don't even have a scintilla of fear I'm gonna get rolled or ripped off or worse, mostly because I do my best to avoid those types of dancers in the club: the drunks, the druggies or the high drama/maintenance girls that so many of the posters here seem to yearn for. I don't have a Facebook acocunt, so I can't stalk her that way, nor do I feel the need to do so.

While I appreciate impala's well-done list, frankly, the only rule one really needs is: If you feel the need to have such a list, then you're seeing the wrong girls.

CP

Like others have said, the few times I've done OTC, it's after I've gotten to know the girl a little bit.

Chili posted: "While I appreciate impala's well-done list, frankly, the only rule one really needs is: If you feel the need to have such a list, then you're seeing the wrong girls."

Fuck, CP beat me to the punch. I was saving up a comment just like that for when I had enough time to post it. I was also going to add that if I had to think that much during OTC encounters then it wouldn't be worth it to me. Honestly a lot of this sounds like it came from some monger site and addresses dealing with random BP girls rather than strippers that you've had some time to assess ITC.

But having said that, I've seen girls all over the spectrum and sometimes even the ones you think are good will surprise you in a bad way. Two simple rules I always follow are (1) Use my own room; and (2) Never pay in advance. IMHO these two simple rules vastly simplify a lot of this stuff. When I'm traveling I stay in nicer hotels where a potential accomplice does not have easy anonymous access to my room, which I'm sure helps too. I've heard that many escorts will refuse to take payment after, but I rarely encounter a stripper who objects and I've cycled through a lot of girls over the years.

But with all of that said, I agree about going with your gut. I've had my share of trials and tribulations (many I've posted here), but many more times than not I've picked well and learned to avoid most of the troubled girls. If something feels off for any reason, then it is better to leave the club empty-handed than to take the girl OTC in the first place.

Strippers who invited me back to their place usually got to know me a bit inside the club. I had a few dances from them already. One stripper invited me back to her place but I think she was bluffing because she was just messing with me upping offers because I was stubborn in not getting dances from her. I declined all her offers.

I did meet two very aggressive dancers several years ago that probably would have been ok with just about whatever I wanted to do. I had one dancer who I only let her do table dances suggest she could move in with me when I never even went out with her. Now that was a stretch suggestion. I bet she would have said ok if I said ok. I was thinking I might have had trouble getting her to move out. Now that I'm a few years older, I doubt I'm going to have many dancers suggesting things anymore. The crazy strippers seem to find me right away though.

Good advice for those that want to rip their toes into the seedy underbelly of sex working girls. Like some people say, you end up paying no matter how you get your sex.

Pretty good list. I'd add if the hotel you're at has a level that's requires a key card to move the elevator, use it. I'm guessing the stairs to that level would be the same. And don't give her a key to meet you there later.

I guess I broke all the rules a couple years ago when I gave a civvie girl a ride to wherever after I heard her ask several people leaving a strip club if she could get a ride.

@Subraman I think getting invited to the house might be common if they feel safe with you. One invited me to hers after we found out all the hotels were booked in the area due to some event going on. Another invited me because she was drunk and hungry so she needed a ride to get food.

"Also, keep in mind that the stripper has as much (if not more) to fear than we do. "

Reminds me of dancer (I'll call her Danielle) I had seen many times, mostly at her apartment and a few times at my house. I always felt completely safe.

After Danielle got married (to a truck driver), I happened to hit on her friend who was a dancer in the same club. I told Danielle's friend where I lived and showed her a picture of my house to entice her over to my place. In a fit of honesty, she said that she'd already been to my house! WTF?? Turns out, she was often (always?) in the adjoining room when I was at Danielle's apartment and she was out in the car outside my house when Danielle was at my house.

Nothing ever happened, just illustrates how terrified Danielle must have been to be alone with me.

-->"I think getting invited to the house might be common if they feel safe with you."

Ch3ll -- I can see that, but to me it still begs the question of whether they feel safe the very first time they meet you? I've been invited to the house of strippers I know decently well, that doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is that a stripper who you've know for a grand total of an hour (or whatever), "feels safe" -- I don't really trust anyone after just one trip...

-->" While I appreciate impala's well-done list, frankly, the only rule one really needs is: If you feel the need to have such a list, then you're seeing the wrong girls. "

Chili -- I still think Impala's kind of mixed together escort and stripper recommendations. For an escort, if it's your first time meeting her, you know her by reviews (if she even has any) and nothing else. I think a lot of the rules are good rules to follow.

Like you, when it comes to strippers, I tend to stick with girls who seem to have it together ... but more importantly, for me, we're not going to each others' houses unless we know each other a bit. And, everywhere in life, I have a "trust but verify" MO

I think this goes without saying, but women who are victims of harassment and sexual abuse have trouble trusting men under any situation. Strip clubs, harassment, the "grab-em-by the pussy," "choke-em-and-slap-em" attitude go together. Strip clubs are toxic places to work; you're going to find a larger percentage of girls in a strip club who have trouble relaxing and trusting men.