Are no-alcohol strip-clubs so unviable >
Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
Seems to me often times low-mileage in clubs may be tied to a club's liquor-license.
As a non-drinker no alcohol in a club does not bother me - and being subjected to a low-mileage environment b/c of the liquor-license (and fear of losing it) is a raw-deal for me personally as a high-mileage PL.
With so many low-mileage clubs around the country; why would many of them not switch to non-alcohol and have a more worthwhile strip-club - are the loss of alcohol sales enough for many clubs to rather not be in business or o/w have a shitty low-mileage club?
And yeah; I'm aware there are cities w/ BYOB clubs.
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The guys who really exploited the no-alcohol approach are Jim and Artie Mitchell. Only way to shut them down was criminal conviction with jury trial. Jim and Artie won, and so we have lap dancing.
I like no alcohol and the better grade of girls.
But, I have also spent lots of time in alcohol clubs, as usually the cover charge is lower. Also, here we only have two no alcohol nude clubs. And the alcohol clubs are run more informally. No flashing our touching, but still just run looser.
Both types can make money. For example, Deja Vu has business models for both types, and then for more variations on them too. They all do okay.
Usually what BYOB really means is that it is not a retail business. They might not tell you this. And their claim may or may not hold up in court. But making it not a retail business means they cannot hold an alcohol license or sell alcohol. But it also gets them out from under all public sex and lewdness laws. It is the model used by Swinger's Clubs. It does not get them around the law against prostitution, but it tends to make it impractical to enforce.
SJG
No alcohol places tend to be more expensive all around, because the house does not get the alcohol money, and because the girls are nude.
SJG
And most of the girls at the alcohol bikini bars who know how to put on a good show, uninhibited, they learned first when they were only 18yo at the nude no alcohol places. They are far more pussy centric in their on stage dances.
:)
SJG
At some Viet Coffee shops they were going without panties underneath their see thru chemises. That was nice.
It never really is what the laws say on paper, it is just what can be gotten away with.
SJG
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Thanks,
SJG
In San Francisco, the high mileage places will all be nude no alcohol, and I am sure it is the same in SoCal.
An alcohol license can be lifted by just an executive order, very low standard of proof, compared to enforcing the penal code.
But many like the membership club system. No alcohol sales, but BYOB.
SJG
Same experience manly in Tennessee were a good amount of bring your own beer is and it's air dance central...place fucking sucks
In my experience the more drugs in a club the more sex is involved inside and or outside
Take my home town as an example
I had two clubs
One now closed sold drugs to the customer's and dancer's...they keeper the club inside a one way touch club but most of the girls was arranging OTC with regulars
The other club still open seems to keep things tight...if the girls get involved in drugs or sex acts soon they will be gone...the girls that stay long-term well for s stripper lol...are the clean ones that avoid OTC, avoid the grey area of sex acts during a lap dance, avoid drugs and so on
I've actually saw a custie offer a girl some cocaine in this club and she told management then the bouncers tossed the custies out
If you get tagged by the girls as fishing for outside play the good girls will start to avoid you
Shit is crazy I know...place should convert into a church
Lol very little in the nude COI stripclubs is on the up-n-up. It's about as shady as it gets in terms of how they run their clubs and God knows what kind of sketchy shenanigans they all get up into. The juice bar scam at the clubs is decidedly sketchy as well, tho it isn't the dancers behind it, but the waitresses. Management will often change up the dancer's drink prices or establish different sized dancer drinks w/o letting the patrons know,. And the dancer drink hustle is legendary. I have never gotten a receipt for a drink, but when you enter you are often given a drink ticket stub for your "free" drink with admission. The girls all have a minimum quota for the amount of drinks that they have to sell, and the second a girl sits down with you, the waitresses are there in a heartbeat asking you to "buy the lady a drink". The girls hate it too and are forbidden to turn down a drink from a customer. The waitresses are even required to follow you and your girl into VIP to hit you up for a drink. It's fucking ridiculous.
Didn't Shooter Alley have to close b/c it lost it's liquor-license - don't most ATL clubs watch the dance-mileage like hawks b/c o/w they may lose their liquor-license?
Long term, whatever gets the hobbyists to spend more or tip more, is going to be the best for everyone involved.
Long term: Bring back the ability for businesses to expense SC trips (drinks and food and dances and tips) with the IRS. About 1/3 of revenue was lost here in one fell swoop in the late '90s. True story.
I only know of one no alcohol club in Atlanta area since I have been living here. That was Boomers near Dobbins AFB and it closed up several years ago for lack of business.
Not right for folks like me who want to chill with a beer with the girls and talk in between dances, but regarded by many strip club connoisseurs to be among the best.
I wonder if there is some way to basically buy your way out of being bothered, like by purchasing one last drink, or tipping out the waitress?
Can you play with the waitresses, front room friendliness, VIP room action, just like with dancers?
Juice, I hear what you are saying. Tennessee is known for being difficult due to specific state laws. But overall, and especially here, the alcohol licensing rules are the most restrictive. They have all sorts of millimeter by millimeter coverage and no touching rules, things which courts would otherwise strike down. And then to enforce, there is no proof beyond a reasonable doubt, presumption of innocence, or trial by jury. Once they suspend or lift your license, any further legal actions will depend upon you and it will be all uphill.
So nude clubs are no alcohol, and anyone who wants contact has to go no alcohol.
The only exception are true underground outlaw places.
SJG
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