Is there a such thing as too much makeup?
larryfisherman
California
Do you guys like when strippers cake their face in makeup?
I don't like it. I understand makeup makes you look better, but there is a such thing as too much of it. I prefer light makeup.
What about you?
I don't like it. I understand makeup makes you look better, but there is a such thing as too much of it. I prefer light makeup.
What about you?
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@RTP-the only thing worse than that is that spray on tan shit that gets on your clothes.
SJG
SJG
But when dancing for men, these are primary. Men relate to women via their 'otherness'. We fetishize this, the things which make them different from men, natural and contrived.
The feminine accoutrements seem to have originated in the ancient world's pagan temples. They separate the woman from a completely naturalistic identity and help her to trans impersonate the goddess. Most people don't understand that this is what goes on in strip clubs, but they feel it.
And this is why Deja Vu is such a good name. When in the presence of dolled up hotties, you know it is something already deeply ingrained in your psyche.
Sure, some of it is impractical. But who cares.
A man will watch the dolled up woman for a while, and then decide that he is to be the one who gets her. Makeup will go all over, but who cares, considering all that is to happen, and it has to be understood as a pagan ritual.
SJG
Are we clear now?
SJG
By me.
Many many times.
I think that I'm just a bit more qualified to discuss what gay women look for in a stripclub than you are.
Time to rethink your philosophy. You are wrong and there is absolutely no question about it. Accept it and move on.
I may have to start reading SJG's posts. This raises pretentious claptrap to a new level.
I wonder if he really believes all of these things or if he just takes these stances to disagree with people and argue. I wonder if he genuinely enjoys arguing and getting under people's skin and somehow takes pleasure in these arguments. If so, that's truly pathetic. Either way, the guy is completely twisted.
His inability to ever admit that he's wrong reminds me of Fonzie on Happy Days, who could never say he was wrong. Funny clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkqgDoo_…
Good assessment. I recall the san jose creep's twin saying something akin to the creep was trolling as a tactic to gain attention and spamming to push his agenda. The creep is just another troll with a different method.
And please don't use the Fonz as a comparison, the Fonz is cool the creep is a fool.
Jackslash, like it or not, that's the truth.
LoveThinBlondes, I don't remember seeing your handle before. You would do better to think a little more before you post.
TheeOSU, go back to your lamp post.
twentyfive, clearly things have gone well for you. For as of now, you clearly have far more dollars than sense.
Dolled up women is what strip clubs are all about. If it is to go beyond looking, plan on having to wash your clothes.
SJG
SJG
I am fully aware of what this thread is about. I usually won't look for a fight, but I sure as hell ain't gonna back down from one if it's pushed upon me. Remember that.
So women customers are welcome in strip clubs, and so are lesbian dancers. But please understand, what men want from women in strip clubs will usually be different.
You acted to try and make a fight when I first joined. Not sure if you even understand this. But understand or not, I am ready.
SJG
As a liberal, pagan, anarchist musician who is heavily into sexual expression and golf, I have lots of opportunities to be pigeonholed buy others. When I tell people I'm in a gold league, they think I'm a Caddyshack asshole. When I tell people I'm a pagan, they say I'm a hippie. When I tell people I play in a rock band, they think I'm a drug addict. When I tell people I raised two kids, never missed a practice or soccer game, or karate class and tournaments, etc. they think I'm a conservative family man.
But I'm all of those and none of those, and NO ONE knows how I think on an issue unless I express it.
I read lots of liberal bashing in TUSCL that paint with an equally broad brush as liberals sometimes do. I hope the people piling on SJG remember to look in the mirror from time to time and not make the same mistake because in reality, you do.
As far as men wanting something different in stripclubs than women - let's take this thread as an example, shall we? The bulk of the responses have been from men, with the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY NOT WANTING EXCESSIVE MAKEUP ON STRIPPERS. YOU STAND ALONE ON THAT. Are you so enraptured of your own small world view that you can't even see the writing on the wall? Jeezus Christ man open your damn eyes!
If everyone on this site who argued with you over your know-it-all attitude and lack of basic understanding of simple concepts was given a dollar, none of us would ever have to pay for our own lapdances again. I am hardly alone. And I am ready too.
ime: 'Alt left' yes!!! I'm as disappointed in liberals who don't walk the walk as I am of conservatives who don't as well. One thing I pride myself in is my pursuit to be morally consistent, even when I don't like what I have to allow. The ends do NOT justify the means. Ever.
Lopaw, you are still claiming some sort of superiority. I will not go along with this.
All I have said is that no, I don't think there is ever such a thing as too much makeup on the dancers in strip clubs. Lots of people have other views. But you are the one trying to claim some sort of superiority in your pov.
Now about the 'event", it is something built into us evolutionarily that when a woman consents to sex with a man, it is a big deal.
I don't say this to marginalize lesbian sex, or to try and keep it out of strip clubs. I simply say it to further explain my position that there is no such thing as too much makeup.
I mean suppose they were supplying whipped cream girls? When the girls consents, her whipped cream is going to get messed up and it will get on everything.
Makeup is the same way. THat it will get messed up and get on everything is just more of the drama, more of the ritualization of sex.
Anyway Lopaw, you are entitled to your views, and to your sex life, and to your partaking of strip clubs. But my tolerance stops when you start claiming that your POV somehow over rules mine.
And for the rest of the trolls here, this is why they make butt plugs. You guys need to equip yourselves.
SJG
And let it be known that MY tolerance stops at YOUR claims that your POV somehow overrules MINE. For the record I never claimed superiority, though you seemed to bristle at the mere thought that I would DARE question your opinions. That is YOU attempting to take an authoritative position in a condescending way, and I will not have it.
His whole new fetish for wanting to stick something up people's asses is sad, he shouldn't have supressed the good inner Sanjosegay that was actually likeable.
And as far as the excessively anti-makeup views of my "peers", that is the whole reason for my posts on this thread.
Most guys speak anti-makeup, but they still go for girls in makeup. They don't understand it, they don't understand themselves. So maybe you can be a little more open in accepting my pov, or at least of my right to express it, Lopaw.
And don't get me wrong, I support people who stand up for themselves.
Rockstar and 25, I have never said that I am open minded. If you want to know, my policies about protecting the operational security of my affairs are exactly the policies of the CIA. And my policies of protecting myself physically, are exactly the policies of Seal Team Six.
I can be a very kind person. But I can also be absolutely merciless.
On this forum I am seen as a liberal. But in other kinds of places I am seen as a fascist. Neither is really correct.
SJG
Wicked Lady - The Axeman Cometh, great album cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEOrHz3N…
I still don't know if you are simply batshit crazy or just a troll looking to pick fights with everyone simply for the enjoyment of arguing. I guess that's why you've been kicked off every discussion board on the internet except this one.
What is your fetish with buttplugs? If you enjoy them so much, go enjoy them elsewhere and quit being an asshole here.
His butt plug fetish is an outgrowth of his passion for bathhouse and MAMP prostate massages that he cultured through his ongoing saga as a night saint.
Isn't he the resident authority on all things?
Classic SJG! He's never met anyone from TUSCL in person, yet he thinks he understands us better than we understand ourselves. Too funny.
And, for the record, I prefer women with no makeup whatsoever. If they insist on makeup, just lipstick is my next choice. Beyond lipstick, maybe a little mascara, but that's it. Natural with no makeup is by far my favorite look for women.
TheeOSU, asking about butt plugs, when you are one of the clearest demonstrations of why some people make them necessary?
Rockstar666 wrote, "SJG: So you resent that people IYO wrongly paint you as fascist but think you can understand a bi/gay female? Kettle: meet pot. I rarely read your verbose posts but in this thread I made an exception. I am ashamed for the time I'll never recover in doing so. You have the same problem as Trump: no morel center."
No, you have no idea what you are talking about. What I am saying is that I am not really a liberal, and that I don't go along with liberals. Specifically I don't go along with "Live and Let Live", or with "Open Mindedness". I take my oppositional position because I know that such people are not really tolerant of diversity. It is just the Left version of the Right doctrine known as Libertarianism. That is, it is just the imposition of social conformity.
I side with underdogs and outsiders. Not a fascist, and not really a liberal, I am more of a radical, even an anti-fascist.
More than anything I am opposed to the Recovery Movement, because this amounts to turning people's life experiences of injustice back against themselves. And it is always from such quarters that there are people who see me as a fascist. I don't care what they think, I only care about what I can do to unhorse them. And to this ends, I never sleep.
And Rockstar, about Lopaw, she is entitled to her views and practices. There is only a rub when she thinks that having two X chromosomes means that she can override my POV. You Rockstar seem to be someone who is taken in by the two X chromosomes argument. Don't go with it.
Now, about makeup and about high heels. Most guys do not understand the effect that these have on them. I didn't used to either. But girls go for them, and greatly exaggerated in strip clubs, because these get them attention and $$$. And I for one do understand the appeal that they have and the effect that they have, and I love it.
Now, here is something Lopaw should like:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099762/?ref…
This is such a good movie that anyone who has not seen it should.
So Anais Ninn sees Henry Miller go into a brothel. Girls sitting around in only high heels and makeup. Henry picks one, and clearly he selects her because she reminds him of his wife June.
So later, Anais returns with her husband Hugo. The Madam offers them a show. Hugo is surprised and asks if they really use men in the show. He is told that one of the girls will pretend to be the man. And so they are to pick two. So Anais selects Henry's girl, who represents June. And then she selects a second who represents herself.
So the girls tell them that they can join in anytime they want. The June girl gets the Anais girl pinned on the carpeted floor. She is straddling her with her knees, and is pinning her wrists back over her head and trying to kiss her.
Undoubtedly this is how guys go after her, so it is perfectly natural for her. She is a very capable sexual entertainer. And this is what most of their clientele wants to see.
But Anais can't stand watching this. Finally she snaps, and it's one of the best lines in the movie, "Stop pretending to be a man!"
And this movie is based on Anais Ninn's writtings, not Henry Miller's.
So after that the two girls both end up lying on their sides on the carpet and they are facing each other, and things proceed.
So yes, there is something special and unique about lesbian sex.
But I hope Lopaw will also concede that what I am saying is also true, that most of the time sex between a man and a woman is different from that, it is much more complementary, as opposed to symmetrical, and that even with most people, there is more dominance and submission in it, and so it is more likely to be enhanced by things like high heels and makeup, which dramatize female 'otherness'.
Lopaw still has a right to her views and practices, and I am not saying that these parameters apply to all lesbian sex or to all heterosexual sex. I am simply saying that this is how they usually are.
SJG
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Rockstar and 25, I have never said that I am open minded. If you want to know, my policies about protecting the operational security of my affairs are exactly the policies of the CIA. And my policies of protecting myself physically, are exactly the policies of Seal Team Six.
SJG
You're sure that is exactly what you meant to say?
"But walking into the hotel, she will be on my arm. So seeing that, hotel staff already know all they need to know. In Mexico I'll be laid back. But in this country, people who cross me quickly come to regret it.
SJG"
SJG
SJG
Naturally fuggly women should use as much makeup as possible to help them even out those features that are unfortunately, unfortunate.
I've seen the unpainted faces of dressing rooms...some of those "cake faces" NEED to be caked.
We just want to feel beautiful in a society that tells us we never will be unless we alter how we look. I don't like the cake face look but right now, it's really trendy in the cosmetology world.
And, if things get hot and heavy, that makeup is going to get everywhere. Oh well.
SJG