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[OT] Bombing Muslim Countries = Fine; Ban Travel From Them = We Must Protest!

Dougster
I mostly took a break from news this weekend, but back at it this morning, and looks like there was plenty going on. Here's a humorous analysis of the travel ban:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FTFB9GD…

Should be another exciting week with Trump at the Helm.

Other gems this morning: no tax cut until spring 2018? Overhaul of H1B coming. Looks like a big battle between Silicon Valley and Trump is inevitable.

21 comments

  • Mate27
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    8 years ago
    Hopefully the Trump presidency gives us time for the younger generation to grow up and grasp reality outside the exposure from liberal and social media saying that they should expect many things provided to them like college education and health care. As you age you realize that a person is better off advancing themselves with their own prosperity than having government involved, because once you enter adulthood you see how many people are slackers and tend to not pull their weight, dragging down public services and creating a drain on our resources.

    I suspect with this slowly maturing of the liberal youth through natural aging, much like we saw with the baby boomer generation, efficiency gains will be made and our politics will become much more centrified accepting the ideas that favor the ones who hustle and improve their situation regardless of their backgrounds. The laws are already in place to allow for great success if you're willing to put forth the effort, which is why with iOS and downs we will continue to have this country provide the greatest economic benefits in the history of our existence. Amen!
  • RandomMember
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    8 years ago
    The H1B overall should be interesting, and one of the few areas I might be on Trump's side. Using H1B to bring in the best and brightest is something we should all be in favor of; using H1B to suppress US salaries encourages smart STEM students to go into other irrelevant fields like basket-weaving, art-history, family law, and finance.
  • Dougster
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    8 years ago
    Not sure about a smart STEM student looking at art-historian salaries and going screw this hard math stuff!
  • RandomMember
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    8 years ago
    ^^^I think Trump is talking about making this more merit-based instead of a lottery which is a good idea. I'm kidding about family law and finance, BTW.

  • Dougster
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    8 years ago
    But serious about basket-weaving and art history? :-)
  • skibum609
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    8 years ago
    We should be forcing Corporations and Colleges, who grow fat off the taxpayer, to actually train Americans for high paying jobs, instead of recruiting foreigners to fill them. I agree family law is irrelevant and I state it having practiced it for 34 years plus. If everyone on earth was decent to each other I'd be digging a hole in the street today.
  • georgmicrodong
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    8 years ago
    Going on the title, not the content, as I'm at work and am not allowed to watch the video.

    Yes, the apologists for bombing these countries feel guilty and so now insist that we must make amends by allowing the refugees. Even though the majority of the refugees aren't because of the bombing we did, but because of their own governments.
  • shailynn
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    8 years ago
    What's wrong with basket weaving, Juice has a masters degree in that.

    "Bombings okay, travel ban is bad" - I laughed my ass off at that, I never thought of it that way.
  • skibum609
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    8 years ago
    Post Trump election tidbits: real wages have actually gone up, as has the purchase of durable goods.
  • warhawks
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    8 years ago

    Hey, hey, hey.... easy on the Finance majors.

    Basket weaving, art history and family lawyers all all fair game, I say.
  • bvino
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    8 years ago
    It is not a ban on Muslims. There are more Muslims in unbanned countries that are fine to travel. I do not agree with this but at least get it right.
  • jackslash
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    8 years ago
    "We should be forcing Corporations and Colleges, who grow fat off the taxpayer, to actually train Americans for high paying jobs, instead of recruiting foreigners to fill them."

    This is a great idea. In fact, corporations should do more on-the-job training, which would allow them to get the skills they really need.
  • Dominic77
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    8 years ago
    I watched the first 5 minutes of the video. They headline is a little funny, I give you that. But I agree with the 'humanitarian' aspect of the equation that GMD touched on. The same targets we're bombing aren't necessarily the 100% same civilians who are being displaced as refugees. There are some people caught in the middle.
  • Dominic77
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    8 years ago
    I also agree with President Trump for the most part RE: immigrants, foreigners, and H1B visa workers who are taking some jobs aware for own young adults and some older workers. There are plenty of STEM graduates that could be trained for a lot of what passes as a H1B visa worker. I don't have a problem like RandomMember wrote about using the visa and immigration programs to bring the "best and the brightest." But I do have a problem with using visas for rank-and-file workers who did little else but depress existing STEM wages or displace our existing college graduate citizenry.

    Also, companies seem to have stopped investing in training programs. Like with my company, I understand the rationale: most other companies have stopped their programs, and all out program does it training employees to work for our competitors on our dime. But the problem with that was the companies themselves, through layoffs a generation ago, woke the workers up that companies are no longer loyal to employees. The companies are just reaping what they sow. If companies are complaining about labor shortages, it's because of training, not due to a shortage of bodies, so they should have some soul searching. Or if labor is responsible for its own training, then pay competitive wages (which, IMO, they are not paying).

    It's a training problem. The companies and the universities (and the formerly relationships the two used to have) are partly to blame.

    Another part is the mobility problem. There are a number of people underwater on mortgages and that limits mobility of the workforce *a lot*.

    I like President Trump's message of buy American and hire American. :)
  • twentyfive
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    8 years ago
    @Dominic there's a lot of misinformation out there about company hiring practices and it is different from industry to industry. I can only speak to my own experience and that is in the construction and real estate services industry. My company has several positions available and has for quite some time way before Trump was elected,we are more than willing to train and pay competitive wages. Let me say that we have never hired anyone, knowingly, that was not legal to work in this country and if we found an employee that was undocumented we would terminate that employment immediately, that being said we are always looking for good hires, this has been an ongoing problem in my industry for at least 7 years now and it hasn't been getting better. This is a real issue with small businesses like my own without the resources to legally hire foreign workers constantly competing against unscrupulous vendors who hire illegal workers, lets see our government address this instead of constantly helping big businesses with these fancy visa's and other resources, let us get an outreach and some much needed help.
  • Subraman
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    8 years ago
    Immigration is one of the few areas where I'm closer to Trump's position than Hillary's, although in typical Trump fashion, he's arguably taken things too far... but I'd rather go too far in this direction (and potentially loosen things up again) than too far in the other, which is less recoverable

    I'm not aware that there's an H1B problem of any kind, this hasn't even been on my radar. In tech, at least, even with a massive H1B program, we can't find enough talented workers. It's good for this country to maintain an edge in tech, I don't see much to gain by restricting H1B, and a whole lot to lose
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    "... In fact, corporations should do more on-the-job training ..."

    I think the Germans are pretty-big on partnerships b/w gov and the private sector when it comes to making training opportunities available for displaced workers.

    Part of the problem in the U.S. is often expensive education costs and it being difficult for adults to go to school and also work w/e fulltime job they can get and also often having kids to raise - they need more help maybe along the German model.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    And I agree w/ having the best and the brightest being allowed in - intellectual foreigners (or their children) have made tremendous contributions to this country (Google, Intel, just to name a few).
  • san_jose_guy
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    8 years ago
  • skibum609
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    8 years ago
    Democracy now is every bit as American as the National Socialist Party. Education in America used to be affordable, but once the Federal Government got into the act of just handing out money then colleges started paying "professors" huge money. The more left wing the school; the more they charge for tuition; and the more the taxpayer funds the fraud we call higher education. Pull back student loan limits; make them harder to get and college becomes cheaper because there is no place else for them to get money. Pocahontas Warren and her Husband taught one class each at Harvard. Their combined salary? $700,000 per year; free medical; free housing -- two classes.
  • san_jose_guy
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    8 years ago
    ^^^^^ skibum, your portrayal of things is not accurate. Yes college costs have gone through the roof, and yes some private schools pay some professors handsomely. But most public schools still grossly underpay. We used to have college grants, now we have college loans. This is stupid. Thank you Ronald Reagan.

    About the Warrens, they get money from books and lots of stuff, but even Harvard does not have money to grossly overpay them. And most private colleges are quite conservative, and they expect faculty to show subservience to movers and shakers.

    SJG

    Villa Joy / Wild Wild West / Pussycat Saloon, Winnemucca Nevada, Baud St. Currently undergoing ownership changes
    http://www.bartrove.com/bar/385835881468…

    But like always the question will be, do they allow unstructured front room fraternizing and GFE auditions, before committing to the session? And is there away of seeing willing girls outside and without any money going to the house?
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