OTC activities

I often do things with the girls -- hang out, go to the movies, go drinking, go SCing, etc. -- when I do OTC, but I don't pay them unless there's sex. And I ONLY pay them for the sex -- the other few hours has to be free. The girls can be CRAZY fun, they're beautiful, they're party girls, they're impulsive.

As long as you are getting what you want out of it then IMO no problem w/ it - just don't have your head up your ass and try to buy a girlfriend b/c it's just a business transaction to her no matter how it looks, feels, or smells - enjoy it for what it is just like you would enjoy her company in the club - remember the two most important rules of strip clubbing:

1) Don't fall in-love with a stripper

2) Don't forget rule #1

What Chulo said

Chulo,

Oh yeah. I know it's business. I almost broke rule #1 earlier in life. Not this time.

Not that it will happen to this extreme but absolutely does happen to this extreme - i.e. most dudes that hook up w/ dancers OTC have gotten burned until they've learned their lesson - and one is particularly vulnerable to getting burned big-time if they go around acting like love-sick puppies looking for a "loving" S.O. type relationship w/ someone they are paying:

https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=4…

Didn't see your subsequent post b/f my post above

As always, Subra and Papi are spot on. I broke rule number 1 and 2 and earned my scars the hard way. Yes, there is so much more to the experience that is missed out on if the goal is solely sex. There are levels of intimacy in the complete package experience that can be a total mind, body and soul journey far more rewarding than just blowing a load. If you're just out to nut, tip the bathroom troll and nail a girl in the broom closet; saves a lot of money, time, trouble and uncertainty.

^^^^ there is what your looking for

Like Sabra, I've done some of those things with girls. But, I've never paid for it. There's only a few that I've initiated it with. Sometimes its a situation where we hit it off the club, and P4P never comes up, but seeing each other outside the club does. Most of the time, either she flakes or never had any intention of hanging out and it was part of her hustle.

Sometimes we'll OTC/P4P type thing a few times, get comfortable with each other, and someone makes an invitation. For example, an invite to come over for OTC is met with a response that she's out with her friends at a bar, do I want to join and we'll just go home together. Or instead of taking her home after, she'll ask what I'm doing and ask to join. Watching a movie on the couch leads to plans to catch a movie in the theater, and so on. With girls who don't have cars, it seems to come up all the time. I drove a girl past Santa's Enchanted forest (a yearly fair in S. FL) this past Friday night, and she casually mentioned how she loved going there and how bummed she was that she missed it this year. Next thing I know, its 4 hours later and I'm at the top of the Farris Wheel with three strippers. I paid for the girl I was with, her friends paid their own way. I didn't pay for the following evenings festivities with the original girl, she preemptively said it was on the house this time.

In conversations with a number of strippers, I've been told by a lot of them that they've been paid to "hang out" with other customers. Usually its the girls with GPS that are trying to get their price up, but I've heard it none the less.

Since I've taken strippers on many trips all over the country and occasionally internationally, we have done just about every type of date activity that you can think of -- movies, shows, concerts, plays, etc, including putt putt golf. I find it very sexy and fun. However, in every instance, I'm fucking them after the date activity ( and sometimes before the date as well).

Since you asked, I think you're nuts to want to date them without having sex with them. Why would a heterosexual man not want to fuck a cute young thing that he's out with? But I'm not your judge. If you're willing to pay a stripoer to date you with no sex, and if that's your idea of fun, I'm sure you'll find lots of takers. But it would just frustrate me.

There's only one stripper that I've done anything but sex with, and that's my ATF. I wouldn't object if they wanted to do other stuff, but as others have said, money doesn't change hands until after bodily fluids have been exchanged.

I did that once. I was in a town on business where I didn't know anyone, and wanted to go to a show (rockabilly/swing) and bring a dance partner. Was at a club the night before, told a girl my plans, turns out she loves rockabilly and knows how to dance. She had earlier told me she made $200 on a good night so I offered to pay her $200 to take the night off and go out with me. Rockabilly chicks are usually fat and unattractive, and I had the hottest date there by far.

I had a great time and it was well worth it to me, but at the time I was making crazy amounts of money and $200 was nothing. I probably wouldn't do it today. Or at least I would combine it with OTC.

I might take them to dinner or a bar or even mini golf but I only pay them once we go back to my place and the sex begins:) dont even pay them just to hang out.

I often take my ATF ex-stripper on dates and help support her financially but we always have sex. Although I certainly enjoy taking her out, the highlight is the fun in the sheets. If you are just taking them out on a date with no sex then I would advise to not pay much.

If the activity is a prerequisite to the sex because the "dancer" doesn't want to feel like she's becoming a "hooker" then I'm on board with just about anything. However, if her youth makes her interested in activities I love but don't get to do much anymore because my wife or civvie GFs say they're too old for it (I love the rockabilly account), then I'd probably be ok with some token financial support.

I've been lucky enough to get otc with strippers and continue an arrangement for when things get dry. I call them if I'm in there city and they will take an Uber to my hotel after work. Only problem with that is I have to wait till she get off work, which is about 3 or 4 am. So she doesn't get to hotel until about 5am.

I have one to which she comes to town when there is a state fair. And calls me so we can chill. Of course I pay to everything at the fair. And then of course take care of expenses for a good time. There were lots that give me their phone numbers and I know it's just to chill out. So I never call them. But to each their own.

Well, tuscl isn't unanimous on very many things, but we are on this: we don't pay the girls unless it's for sex. That said, I agree with Papi: if YOU want to just pay them for hanging out, well, that's fine. I would just repeat the warning that I worry a little bit, if sex isn't in the picture, that you're trying to address some deeper emotional need that is best addressed outside the sex industry. You know yourself better than we do, so I'll stop there.

For myself, I do love hanging out with the girls, they are incredibly fun and sexy even outside of the sex, but all of this is a buildup for sex ... that is, by the time we've been drinking and partying and flirting for 4 hours, I'm pretty out-of-my-mind turned on, and that can move the sex from great to mind-blowing.

I've done some non-strip club stuff with a couple of girls, but each outing was a big novelty event that I probably won't repeat in the future, fun though they were. I've also gone clubbing with a few girls over the years, with mixed results.

But beyond paying for the outings, I did not pay a separate fee to the girls for their time. However, there was also sex involved in each outing and I did pay for that.

But you are not me and you have your own agenda. It's your money and time, so spend it how you like. But like others have said, don't let it get to your head. In my experience, lonely guys who take strippers out for the purpose of simulating real dates all too often lose their proper perspective and let wishful thinking take over. So have fun, but don't get emotional over a pay date, regardless of how charming or "real" she seems.

I'm not as adventurous as some of you. I have taken several out to eat. Mostly in conjunction with P4P but like most of us never paid for the meal time. A few months ago a Stripper agreed to OTC with me and was fine with the money offer. Then I said "I'll even throw in dinner". To which she replied that will be an additional $200. I withdrew my entire offer.

Scat, I've had several dancers at your favorite club tell me that they charge extra for dinner. That was the end of the discussion. I think they say this because they are really escorts who occasionally strip on the side, whereas the dates I'm looking for are strippers who occasionally escort on the side. Escorts are much more by the hour kind of girls.

She really said that shadow? I'm glad you withdrew your offer. I don't why they think it's a privileged just to sit across a dinner table with them. I throw in dinner sometimes mostly because I want to check out a new spot to eat but I would never pay extra for them to eat dinner with me you did the right thing

Yeah, right or wrong, I consider the "you pay for every second of my time" to be a hallmark of escorts (understandably -- that's their business, and also one of the many reasons OTC is way better than escorts) and of strippers who are basically high-volume OTCers (that is, basically escorts) with a professional-type business model. I have no interest in OTCing with such strippers...

I wouldn't pay extra for taking them out to dinner or anyplace else if they ever suggested such a thing to me I'd drop them like a hot potato.

I never pay extra for the extra time. It is one of my favorite reasons to hook up with strippers. Pay one price. Once the price for otc is set, everything extra is included