Open Thread Re: Talking Shop v. Playing Dumb--and the Relative Advantages and Di
LecherousMonk
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Do you think it works better to keep one's knowledge of strip clubs and how they operate close to the vest, or to let on that this ain't your first rodeo. I think the latter method, while potentially helping one build report with his dancer of choice and cut through the stripper shit, can backfire if the stripper either doesn't do certain things one mentions or does them differently than one's stated preference. In other words, she might get frightened, offended, turned off, etc.
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She will treat people who are likely to be regulars differently, and she will treat people who are likely to be seeing her on the outside differently, and she will treat people who are not married differently.
The worst will be for the guys who are just there willing to pay some money to ejaculate. I know that means many our regular forum posters right here. But the girl is not going to open up to people who are like that, as there is no reason to.
SJG
I think the above is much more important than just letting them know if you know how strip clubs operate.
Some guys just want what is offered, like LDKing, or even FS. But other guys are going to be wanting to start bedding down with a girl regularly and promptly.
Can't push it too hard or too fast, but one can let the girl figure it out. They are good with such communications, because they make a lot of difference to them.
SJG
The Harem, Dayton, Oh. CW'S Akron, Oh. Alcatraz, Erie, Mi, The Palms, Toledo, Oh.
Just to name a few. You have to be discreet under the table or in a dark corner at 2nd base. You have to be forward and resourceful if you want it !
SJG
Save booths and back rooms until you pants are to come down. Usually referred to as "home plate" in you scheme.
When it is time for that, you invite her to the back room.
You don't take her into the backroom to see if she is good, you take her into the backroom because she is already good.
But know, if you handle things this way, the chances that you will end up waking up with her the next morning start to get very high.
SJG
you're a moron
1. I am not a nube -- you're not going to rip me off.
2. I am a regular -- you'd better treat me right for frequent paydays.
3. I am not a local -- anything we do is no-strings-attached -- you don't have to worry about running in to me.
4. I have a job that pays me well enough to visit you.
Still not hearing that you tell the girl if you would want to be seeing her outside, and on an ongoing basis, or if you just always go to the strip club, to pick the next girl.
:)
SJG
As far as playing dumb as if I'm not a SC regular, I don't. As others have mentioned, they can usually tell. The first thing that comes to mind as a giveaway is when I say let's catch the next song. Aside from that as simple as it is, I feel letting it be known you're a regular works in your advantage as others have mentioned.
Not that it's anything you'd want to seek out because man they have drama filled lives, but being experienced will definitely have them letting you know some things.
I don't talk about TUSCL and encounters with other dancers with them.
It appears you are from the Columbus, Ohio, area. Ain't nothin happenin in Columbus clubs. You need to get away from Capital City out into the countryside and check out the clubs in the real world. We're having some fun out here.
Think the situation through some. Once you agree to go with the girl into a booth or a backroom, you are agreeing to pay a toll to the house, and money to her, but you are also obligating her to perform some sort of a service upon you.
Is that really what you want? Or are you just going along with a gimmick invented to work more money out of guys, without the girls having to do much?
Wouldn't you rather the girl just open up to you and let you lead it in a more civilian manner, like as if she was a girl you'd just met at a party?
You can still feed her money, but more just as a show of respect, not as a fee for service. And in the front room there should be no house cut.
Lap dancing started at MBOT in the 1970's, and what it meant was lap sitting.
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Now what else went along with lap sitting varied widely. But the point is there was no fixed structure for the time and money. It was mostly just between you and the girl.
The eye opening encounter for me was when I was cutting out from a stupid convention at the Moscone Center. I saw this extremely cute black girl walking along. She looked to me like an office worker on her lunch hour. I decided I would try and take her to lunch. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Fortune goes to the bold.
So as the side walks were full of people I laid back and tailed her. But I was wrong about her being an office worker. She ducked into the New Century.
Fortune goes to the bold. So I asked about her and was told that her name was Maria, and I paid the cover charge. I had to wait a long time before she came on stage. And this was before there was stage side sitting.
She did her set, peeling down to high heels and makeup, and then doing open tongue kissing with another girl.
And then she saw me, and then she was on my lap.
Now usually they have girl kissing in porno movies and I just FF past it. But here, seeing it live, it was a powerful turn on. It is women showing that they control the erotic.
So I found myself just unable to refrain from telling this girl how much of a turn on seeing that was for me. She replied instantly about how much she was enjoying it.
Well in a situation like that, things are going to happen.
It completely blew me away that she could be so open with me, a total stranger.
I found myself wanting to be more like her, instead of living my gray flannel life.
And this is how P4P sexual situations should be, transformative, life changing, not just for sexual gratification.
This small black girl with huge tits was a real treasure. It would be a waste to have her doing anything else but what she was doing. And the money was insignificant, considering the effect it had on the course of my life.
If I'd not been married then, I believe I'd of been waking up the next morning with this black Maria.
I am still trying to embody what I learned on that day.
And then also in AMPs, kissing is not standard, not at all. But if you can come on to your girl some and let her get softened up, usually you can get her DFKing. And from then on the entire encounter is a mind blowing GFA ( Girl Friend Audition ).
So you don't want your girl performing any service upon you, you just want her to open up and let you make it happen with her.
So the more in the front room the better. Best is intensive DFKing, with FOV/FIV.
Then you invite her to the back room, as your own pants are to come down.
Then you walk her out the front door with you and continue in your own home.
When Diane Feinstein tried to get Jim and Artie Mitchell convicted of felonies, and put an end to MBOT and all contact strip clubs, a big part of their defense was that it was all front room. It was not prostitution because it was not for sexual gratification. Rather it was an audience participation cabaret show, and it was for sexual education.
I agree fully. And this is how they got off.
So it was after this legal victory and after a more accepting administration came into office that they introduced booths and back rooms. Mostly it was just a way for the girl to keep easier control over the interaction. The guy pretty much has to play along with her.
The clubs convince the girls that they make more money like this, no front room action. But girls experienced in wilder and woolier environments know that this is not true. "Wanna Dance" is not the best way to get money out of guys. Front room GFE is. And in the wildest US clubs, the girls don't give you much choice but to start making out with them. Numerous accounts on Black Strip Clubs .net. And then TUSCLER's have affirmed via PM that it is done exactly the same way in the mixed race dives. And then the TJ accounts and videos are overwhelming.
The one who really makes money with the booths and back rooms is the house. They get a larger share of the money.
And people think it raises the mileage level. But most of the time this is not true. All it does is raise the cost, while lowering the typical mileage level.
If you can get a girl softened up and making out with you, she is not likely to refuse much of anything. So in places where front room makeout sessions are common, they are usually FS oriented venues.
But if the girl can get money out of you with "Wanna Dance", then it is probably just dry humping or BJ's, ejaculation services, without the girl ever really opening up to you. Guys go for this, and in my view it is all a chumps game.
SJG
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Since I often go to $5 and $10 per dance dives where it's often more of a wanna-dance M.O., I'll usually keep it simple and not get into anything too deep; strip-club or o/w - many strippers can get defensive when one offers their opinion about stuff so often times w/ many a stripper IME less is more in terms of what one reveals.
w/ some that I click with I'll be more open - also some not so experienced dancers may get intimidated by a hardcore SCer and may see him as some kinda perv or loser for being a regular or hardcore SCer; not that it matters but ... - so for me it depends but I tilt towards keeping closer to the vest but in large part b/c my dive-club experience is usually just about the grind and not hanging and talking although the latter happens at times.
And then at the underground Mexican Bar circuit, though against their rules, DFKing still happens when a girl wants OTC. She has to show the guy that she means it and will deliver. Talk does not do it.
And then numerous accounts on Black Strip Clubs .net. Girls jump onto your lap, without asking, and then they start licking your neck and nibbling on your ear lobe. I interpret this as they are defying you to start making out with them.
Then they go to the back room to finish what they have started. In some of these places they don't bother with back rooms. They just take to couches in darkened corners. More deniability for the owner that way, and probably little or no house cut.
And then TUSCL members have affirmed that in the mixed race dives, all the girls do it just like it is done in the black dives.
And then the TJ accounts, the girls are even more aggressive and lead with DFKing. When they are in competition with other girls, that is the way to make the money.
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Dr. F
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Don't let girls sell you dances. That is a chumps game.
Instead let things develop in the front room. Think of it as a first date.
You can still feed her money, and there should be no house cut. But when it is needed, like when your pants are to come down, you invite her to the back room.
But if you do it this way, also plan on waking up with her the next morning.
SJG