Voter ID?
JimGassagain
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Yes or no? Title says it all.
Me, I can't think of any reason why you should be able to vote without it, so definitely yes!
Me, I can't think of any reason why you should be able to vote without it, so definitely yes!
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And beyond the obvious need to prevent voter fraud, why should a person be allowed to vote when they are so incredibly out of touch with society and government that they haven't even taken the most basic, simple step towards being a productive citizen by getting identification?
The right wants to limit a certain segment from voting. The left is terrified it won't be able to churn out extra votes at last minute. Yet both hide behind voter fraud and voting rights arguments.
Frankly I don't really like an ID requirement. Though I do think it's common sense to have some kind of check against voter fraud, regardless of how likely it is.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/07/20/…
That sums it up nicely, well said John!
Renting a hotel or operating a car comes no where near close.
You'd really deny that to a citizen? That's a douche move, IMO.
It thinly veiled to reduce voter turnout of voting class deemed to be liberal and not worthy of voting just because they lack proper papers. (WOPP).
If that's how y'all what to run this democracy. Fine. I yield to your power, insight, privilege, and intelligence. Clearly you know better than me.
I'm punching out of this thread.
Simple. The survival and flourishing of democracy could well depend upon it. Fraud undermines the system, making it unreliable and unworthy of respect. That's the nature of fraud -- it is a deceptive practice that takes advantage of those who are not diligent and on their guard. The system can't survive and be respected unless it is designed to reasonably assure the integrity of all votes.
Sure it'd be nice to be able to vote without the slightest effort. Just think your vote and it happens. But that's not how it works. You have to register. You have to (or at least should) learn some basic facts about the candidates beforehand. You have to make time to vote. You have to drive to the polling place. You have to wait in line. You have to tell them your name. You have to look at the ballot at least enough to punch something meaningful. Voting takes a little bit of effort, and that should include getting an id and showing it. This might be a slight hassle for a tiny segment of the population, but so are those other steps. If you care so little that you can't make that minimal effort, you should not vote.
My Russians comment was kind of a joke, but also serious. A corrupt person or organization who wanted to damage our democracy, or who very strongly wanted a particular candidate to win, has great opportunities under the current system to wreak havoc. Nobody has yet been caught doing this on a system wide basis, but human nature being what it is this is bound to happen. And if we don't stop it it'll become the norm.
"Vote early and vote often" is a quote attributed to Al Capone in Chicago. So, is that the type of individual that opposes voter ID?
Dominic on ignore. Lol
One additional point... There are voting laws that limit who is allowed to vote. To have those laws on the books and then deny an ability to enforce it is supporting lawlessness.
That is an opinion as to which right is the most important. Some would argue that the 2nd is the most important amendment because our enables one to defend their rights. Guess what? You need an ID to buy a gun.
If someone feels it is the most important right as contended above, you would think they would make sure they did what was necessary to ensure that right.
Also, it is a right that US citizens enjoy. Non-citizens are ineligible. It is just as important to prevent those who are not eligible to vote from voting if you want to ensure the integrity of the election.
"Voter ID laws have been designed with the intent to deny voting rights to minorities, ..."
Is there something in one's DNA that disables one from expending the minimal effort required to obtain an ID. Asians are a minority and they dont seem to have a problem with it.
Dont you need an ID in most places to "register" to vote?
Remember that voting procedures are determined at the state level. This would be a federal requirement that all states woild have to adhere to. I'm all for state rights. I think all states should require IDs, but it's not for me to have input into another state's laws.
That is all well and good for state and local elections, but for federal elections I recognize the need for some consistency.
Seems we are on a similar page if not the same one. Sharp (or dull) minds think alike.
It only goes to show that there is a real strong reason why some politicians prefer no ID to vote, because that is the intelligence that they cater to.
I lack the ability to understand how this is even an issue and yes, voter fraud exists, it may be hard to prove but to say it doesn't exist means you don't want to see it.
Indiana now has a voter ID law and the state will provide free of charge a state issued picture ID free of charge and the state license branches are now open hours in the evenings and weekends so no one has an excuse to not be able to get on unless of course you are not a citizen. The only reason to not have voter ID laws is to allow non-citizens to vote. It used to be you had to register in advance of the election to be able to vote, now in some states you can just show up and vote and the pole workers are supposed to determine is you are registered later and remove your vote if you are not a citizen or are not properly registered. If you think that ever happens I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale!
Lot's of them are old, even more of them are old and black. A big part of the problem for these people is not having the documentation needed to get an ID. Many of these people can't simply head over to a DMV and hang out for a few hours and get an ID.
In this country if you're of age you generally are allowed to vote. We don't make to many distinctions in that regard and personally I think that's probably a good thing.
Now I already made my opinion clear but let's not pretend that this isn't an actual issue for SOME people or that because it's an issue they somehow don't deserve to get to vote.
JS69, Dominic told you that he was "punching out of this thread", so you shouldn't be surprised that he had no response to the cogent points you made. It's the time-honored debate tactic of making some assertions, stating "That's all I have to say", and disappearing. Kind of a douche move, if you ask me :)
How can there be more old and black people than old people? One is a subset of the other.
I like how I slam dunked this thread and was ignored
100% vote by mail. Saves money. No ID needed. No fraud
Voter fraud is being hugely overstated. We have a hard enough time getting people to vote. And these ID laws are intended to influence election outcomes.
SJG
I have read that the vote by mail is popular in Oregon and Washington. I think a 3rd state does it but I'm being lazy and not going to google it.
If you can't get an ID you didn't try, get one make some kind of effort so you can vote.
Mean while the illegal (Undocumented) immigrant knows a friend that knows a friend and they can slip him a few extra $100.00 and get their ID and Drivers license no problem. And guess what he is going to work his ass of then go back to his country and retire rich. He could care less about voting, it is all apart of flying under the radar.
Unless the economy flips then he is up shit creek.
Keep watching FOX news bro.
My grandmother never drove (i.e. no driver license) and as far as I know never had any other photo ID. But, there is no reason her family could not have taken an hour or two on a Saturday to help her down to the DMV or court house to get a gov sanctioned ID.
Hell... I'd even settle for a voter registration card that is more sophisticated than a piece of paper with you name on it. For crying out loud... it can't be that hard to add a hexadecimal code that can be matched up to state registration records.
Having a 'right' to vote doesn't mean it should be a free-for-all.
And lots of people live on the margins. Something like 10% of the students in our 23 campus CSU system are homeless.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me…
Its just another version of the old literacy tests and poll taxes, designed to keep eligible people from voting.
SJG
SJG is a NY Times, Jerry Brown, CNN mouthpiece. Whatever the left says so does he, and if you go against his views he will say you repeat what Fox News reports.
his aliases do skew republican for congressional and local elections. it is just that some of his aliases are never trump republicans whereas others are trump fans
And OJ didn't kill Nicole Brown Simpson or Ron Goldman, right??? Because 12 idiots said he didn't, right?
Reverse logic is not a proof.
How the hell could anyone know DEFINITIVELY if voter fraud is vastly over estimated -- vastly? The FACT is, none of us can know the truth, factually. Some suspect there has never been voter fraud. Some suspect it has happened early and often and everywhere.
The only logic conclusion we must reach is a system which assures everyone legally positioned to vote be given unencumbered opportunity to do so AND assures that NO ONE have the ability to cast MORE THAN one and one one vote. I see no possible way to assure both goals be reached without requiring some form of unique identification be presented at the time of voting.
There is a free form of identification that is nearly impossible to be falsified and is unique to every person on the planet -- a fingerprint. Watch the conspiracy theory, X_Files lefties go crazy at that suggestion.
http://www.anonews.co/massive-clinton-vo…
http://www.anonews.co/massive-clinton-vo…
https://pjmedia.com/blog/the-complete-gu…
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014…
Not even debatable
Anti-fraud protections are another matter, but this country has a horrible history of trying to reduce voter turnout.
SJG
I like seeing the rationalizing intellect of those who twist the facts. They that are on that political podium have become delusional a long time ago, right?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/neGbKHyGuHU/hqdef…
Some people are opposed to the principle of Democracy.
SJG
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Trick Baby (1972)
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SJG
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But mikeya02, you haven't been elected to anything, and still you try to make civil discourse impossible. I don't know if it is marijuana or what which makes you like this. I would never want to be anything like you.
SJG
I deal with and live in the real world everyday. But this does not mean that everyone likes me, not by a long shot. I've gotten dozens of people fired from private and public employment, closed down businesses, even run people out of this country and put people into prison.
I do enjoy life, because I act, instead of finding ways to escape.
And so I do not in any way condone the overt or covert racism which is being expressed on this board, or this idea that the poor are somehow deserving to live in such a state or should be talked about in derisive terms.
SJG