BLM Manifesto
gammanu95
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Holy hell! Has anyone followed the links from the news stories and read everything on the page of the BLM manifesto? That is the craziest left wing hippie communist new afrika crap since the fall of the soviet union. We want everything for free. We want everything we want retroactively. After all the free shit we want no taxation with representation. And we don't want whitey to have shit because we don't want that. What a load of entitlement bullshit. Yet, no one else is calling bullshit on them. Is our nation truly screwed when we have become afraid to call a spade "a spade"?
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Democrats know they have blacks and gays locked down and don't have to pander to them and their issues. The general election really is about swing voters, mostly working class whites.
I do hope they can stay more focused on the winnable, actionable item of "let's try to decrease the number of police who kill black people during arrests".
This should be our immediate focus. Then we can re-group and address what the other issues are.
We'd need to measure the other problems before a solution can be found. Some of it is (1) impulse control (maybe) and (2) the breakdown of the black family (maybe) from lack of father influences. It's hard to take the "work hard and bootstrap yourself" until those 3 items are in check and improving.
It seems like a hard problem to solve or at least define. But these are just a wild-assed guesses. Any of our esteemed black members can slam me or correct me as I'm just an observer.
Sorry I can't add more to the discussion.
I agree, except I would call that impulse control.
I would like to hold the police to higher standards than the populace though.
but some civilians do have a problem with impulse control / anger.
I am not sure how to solve it though. I wish bootstrapping was the answer. Maybe it is? How do you teach impulse control to a grown adult. I sounds stupid to even have to say that, but we do. How do you address that?
Do we put time in timeout / detention / make then stand in the corner with a dunce cap? Spankings? Lectures? I don't want to 'baby' a grown adult.
I do know, what we are currently doing isn't working.
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I guess you couldn't help yourself sort of like Donald Trump who can't shut up and stay on topic, whom you seem to admire so much. I am sure you will revert back to form, and call me a whole bunch of names but that won't change the fact that you cant keep your word, or at least stay with a topic that you understand.
1. Like mentioned before.... the criminals or victims (depending on situation) didn't listen to police commands.
2. The criminals or victims were resisting arrest.
3. The criminals or victims had weapons.
4. The police are there for a major complaint or warrant....ie: assault, robbery, etc.
What I love is how when you read comments on these articles on how dumb people are or think Hollywood is real life.
LE are trained to shoot to eliminate the threat.
- So all those people who think they can just "wing" a person are wrong... but that also opens up a whole can of legal issues if cops just "winged" people....ie: shoot them in the leg or arm.
- Also people who think cops are "crack" shots or snipers are 100% mis-informed. Many just barely qualify with their side arm.
Now I am like others.... I don't think every LE out there is 100% a saint or never does anything wrong. But they need to be wired tight and be on their toes in all situations. So mistakes can and will happen. But many times they need to be the aggressor to control a situation and bring order back into light.
I also see BLM as a "racist" group. Just like KKK, Neo Nazi's, etc. They are pushing for a the betterment of one race. They don't talk about betterment of other races. I mean it is right in the title of their movement. Also they do things that don't help their cause (in MN shutting down an airport and shutting down a interstate highway). I mean the examples in MN they caused people to miss flights and be late for work and appointments. Do you think that these people that were effected by the demastration will say... OH YEAH I WILL GET ON BOARD.....I DONT MIND I MISSED MY FLIGHT OR GOT YELLED AT FROM MY BOSS OR EVEN GOT FIRED.
I am all about people protesting and what not. But be constructive with it.
As for twentyfive, welcome back! I post and comment about politics and societal issues because they matter. Because there is too much ignorance. Because the truth needs as much air time as it can be given. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.". Except for a fondness for beer and strippers, I am an upright and moral person. I must do something, I have an obligation to participate. The liberal media, BLM, globalists and socialists in the democrat party are evil - truly maliciously evil. Trump, Ryan, and McConnell are bad, yes, but Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and Clinton are abhorrently vain and dishonest. They treat the public and the media like idiots because so many of you go along with it. I'll never understand why you won't stand up and demand the truth. So I'll do it for you. That's why I post. That and I like your puttering madness while I troll you with the Truth.
Per Washington Post:
"Castile is at least the 506th person shot and killed by police so far in 2016, according to a Washington Post database that tracks such shootings.
He is one of 123 black Americans shot and killed by police so far in 2016, according to the database. About 10 percent of the black Americans shot and killed were unarmed at the time of the shooting, while about 61 percent were armed with a gun"
Ok... lets look at the above..... 506 cop killings this year... and 123 were black... That is 24.3% have been black people.... so is that targeting??? When less than 25% have been black???? I don't think so. When about 18% of the population identify themselves as "black". So it is a little higher than the average per population goes. But not too far off. (I am not throwing in stat about % of crime committed by race etc.... but just using per population) Population figures came from google search... roughly 42 million identify themselves as "black" and total population of 231 million. 2010 numbers. They could be off but wont be by too much.
Now lets break down the 123 killed...... 10% were unarmed...So out of 123 people killed... 12.3 were not armed. Now that is still too many but 12 people were unarmed. that leaves 111 that were armed or had a weapon.
Also with the fact of "unarmed" doesn't mean a person can do harm. I have seen guys beat the crap out of people. I have seen guys walk thru tazers before. I have seen guys walk thru pepper spray. So to say only use no lethal force isn't always the answer either.
So again to cry that there is racism with police or "targeting"... isn't 100% accurate for the media and people to cry.
***** DISCLAIMER *****
I am not saying racism doesn't exist or that there are cops that are racist and do "target" a certain racial group.
So please enlighten us on the "facts" of the cases that were discussed.
didn't evidence show that people were resisting arrest? People had weapons? People were criminals? Some law was broken?
Please show me how you know LE officers are "crack" shots and can hit a pop bottle every time at 15 paces?? Because I have seen it first hand.... THEY CANT.
Please show me where in MN that the BLM protests that shut down I94 and the Airport didn't cause people delays and to miss flights or get in trouble at work because of tardiness and what not?
Yes everything I am basing my discussion off is FACTS. These FACTS were delivered in courtrooms. Not on social media.
I am also waiting to see how the Castile case in MN turns out. Not all the facts have been presented.
I am one who waits for investigations and Trials to happen before I jump to conclusions.
Happy clubbing and God bless.
So you disputing the facts that were presented in court cases which our judicial system based a ruling off of??? You are disputing facts from the Washington Post which is a paper who is known for causing racial issues. You are disputing facts that the BLM movement in MN did shut down the roads leading to the MSP Airport which caused people to miss flights.... they shut down I94 a major highway which again caused people to miss appointments, be late for meetings, late for work, etc. I mean they shut down these things not for minutes but hours!!
If you want to anger a liberal, tell him the truth or tell the truth about him.
Chessmaster and twenty-five have proven my point definitively and conclusively.
But do you think that the stuff that is coming out about the BLM movement and what not is showing that they are actually trying to divide instead of unite??
Now I read (cant remember where or how valid it is)... that in Kansas there was a ground roots type BLM or that group identified themselves as BLM.... they held a "night out" where they gathered police, community leaders, activists, etc. They all met in a park, had food provided, talked about the racial divide and tried to come to conclusions and move forward to make relations better..... Well then either the state or national BLM came out and said that... that group didn't represent them.
Again I am not sure 100% where I read that or the validity of that. But if there is truth behind it. Then what is BLM about?? Are they a "radical" group??? That is why I said they are like the KKK..... or Neo Nazi's.... those two are "extreme" or "Radical"... and pushing for separation and not coming together and unite an nation.
Crsm27 - face palm @ your ignorance. Comparing BLM to the KKK is incredibly idiotic and shows your complete lack of historical knowledge. The KKK is a hate group who burned crosses on lawns, spread their hatred for minorities, had the goal of keeping the minorities oppressed, and actually murdered people. BLM is the complete opposite. They are against everything the KKK stands for, as exemplified by the fact that people of all colors, religions, etc are welcome to join BLM. Nor does BLM go around raping and hanging others who are different from them as a part of their cause.
Gammanu95 is crowned the absolute idiot of this thread, maybe the most deluded, idiotic person on this entire forum. I don't even feel like getting started on him and picking apart his inaccurate, hateful, unintelligent bullshit spewing from his fingertips.
We're just 8 or 9 days past the Club Blu shooting in Fort Meyers. Try a GOOGLE search. You can't even find a news article newer that about July 26. Two kids are dead and 16 injured. innocent kids
Yet almost 2 full years after Michael Brown and Ferguson, the story remains prominent in the news.
Which shooting was more tragic?
What about white on white crime, motorhead? That's an issue too in poor white communities. What are you doing about that? You haven't even mentioned it.
Answer the damn question instead of calling me a racist
Do you understand? It is quite simple for a logical brain to receive, process, and understand what I just said.
Nina.... I used KKK and Neo Nazi as comparison to get your attention....and I did. But BLM is using tactics to intimidate and also push an agenda. If you don't think so... again I bring up shutting down a highway and an airport.
Also you bring up how "blacks are shot more than others by Police"... did you not see they are only 24% of the total (at the time 506) people shot????
So 76% of the people shot by police were not "black"..... where is the BLM movement crying or demostrating for them????
Again why is BLM only going after "blacks" and not all the senseless killing of people by police.
Also Nina.... you are not looking at the facts that I posted in reguards to police shootings. It was posted by a liberal outlet too. All I did was break it down.
Nina....and others...... How would a group called WLM (White Lives Matter) be precieved doing the same thing BLM is doing? This group is protesting to stop the white on white crime and also the senseless shooting of white people by cops...... Would they be deemed racist??? Now please answer that honestly.
Give it all the alien test. What I mean is an alien comes to visit the country.... they see a movement saying BLACK LIVES MATTER.... they will ask what it is about.... then they will ask... is there a WHITE LIVES MATTER movement...... and people will say... NO.... that is racist...... so... how can one be racist and the other one not???
Again... why isn't BLM trying to stop all sensless Police killings???
******* Racism is alive in the world... have it be whites on black....blacks on whites..... whites on Asians..... blacks on Asian... etc.
One of the things that made me scratch my head... is I had an educated black man tell me once.... it is impossible for a black person to be racist...... I just about fell out of my chair. Being racist is putting one race above another... or pushing for the betterment of ONLY one race.
But until we as a country can see this we will never move forward and unite as one.
And I'm supposed to believe that after the day it was signed all the racism in America went away after 300 years of thinking niggas ain't shit. Treating them like animals and surprised that they are anti social?
This isn't a bit fckn aliens this is about the USA. Yes after 50 years things are a lot better than they used to be. But the attitude law enforcement holds for blacks is incorrigible. Blacks gets shot when a whites get talked to and negotiated with.
Here's my caveat, after centuries of complete and utter dehuminization ya blacks need to get over it and learn to lift ourselves up. There's a victim culture foe sure (but again they were truly fckn victims for centuries ) that needs to be changed. We do it the way Cosby (no not by drug raping women) did, by placing a high value on education and class, and we get there by telling these dumb gangbangers that there's a better life than dying on the street or getting ass fucked in jail.
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Yes, I think I can judge you. In fact the only reason I'm the slightest bit comfortable with someone like you inhabiting this planet is because at least strippers take your money.
You go get 120 credits towards a political science degree, and get legal internships like I have, and then you can come and try to have a logical debate with me about politics. Each post on the topic that you contribute furthers your bitter and hateful agenda.
In fact, I think I have done more good for mankind by spinning around a pole and showing my tits for the last few years than you have your entire life.
GACA..... the aliens was to prove a point.... how can one be considered ok....and another racists....
jester..... 100% correct..... That is why this thread came about...... One part of BLM is saying one thing... another is this "manifesto" we are taking about.
Just curious.....
- he talks about profiling (which police and investigators do or have to do to help solve crimes.)
- He talks about how Sharpton, Jackson, Holder and even Obama.... are helping to divide instead of unite
- He talks about BLM isn't for social progress but more for social divide.
Just curious what people think of his comments.....
And people who don't know..... He is a black sheriff
So when he uses his own mind and speaks up you call him the "house n*****"
You're the worst kind of racist Nina
Motorhead, you don't know what racism is. Please explain to me how I am racist. Lmao. Furthermore please explain how I'm "the worst kind of racist" and point out how I systematically oppress people of color (even though I am one) and act like my race is superior to those of color (even though I am one).
I'll wait. ;)
You speak the truth.
Yes, blacks have been oppressed and dehumanized. But it's been over 150 years since slavery end. More than 50 years since the Civil Rights Act. When is the "poor me" attitude going to end?
Koreans, Pakistanis, Vietenamese and others come to this country with the added disadvantage of not knowing the language. Yes there are problems. Yes there are gangs and crime among those cultures. But not to extent of the black community. There are countless examples of success in those communities. Black leaders need to take a hard look at what is happening
Now you go off on me.... let me explain....
You or others with your same view will call anyone of color going against their beliefs a "house slave" or an "uncle tom". That attitude right there IMHO is why I personally believe is one of the major reasons why there is the attitude of the Police vs Black Community..... or a reason why people think the "black culture" is pulling others in that community down. Because if they don't "follow" suit they get brought down. I mean he is trying to break the "thug culture" down and make a new one..... yet people call him a "house slave". I know this isn't explaining my point too well....but that is part of the problem... by people calling someone who speaks against the "norm" is now called a "house slave".
Nina... Please answer me this....can a person of color be racist???
And holy shit we are way off topic....HAHA.
And I'm still waiting to hear from motorhead how I am "the worst kind of racist" and why he decided to misquote me as calling someome a "nigger" which I didn't do and won't, especially considering that I am half black...
Nina..... I don't think you are grasping the concept or point I am trying to make. And you haven't answered that question yet...... Can one group be considered racist and the other one cant? When the only word changed in the group is "white" and "Black"..... or how one human can have feelings, thoughts, actions that are considered racist.... yet another person can have those exact same thoughts, feelings, and do the same actions and not be racist.... the only difference is color of skin.
You guys are laughable. .
Again.... I am not saying racism isn't alive today in our country.... I am not saying discrimination isn't alive in our country today as well.....
But with what I talked about how one "race" or "color" with feelings, attitude, thoughts and does actions based on race is considered racist..... Yet if another has the same feelings, attitude, thoughts, and does actions based on the color of skin.... isn't a racist. That right there is why we as a nation are not moving forward.
You have to recognize a problem before you can help fix it.... IMHO... that is a huge problem.
Nina, You're just a little dragon spouting fire and smoke. You need to relax
NOUN
1.prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior:
•the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
So your belief that thinking Blacks (race) cant be racist is actually a racist statement. You are saying that a member of your race is supieror than other races because other races (whites) are the only one that can be racist.
That is what is wrong and why we cant move forward in this nation is attitudes like that.
Racism is systematic. Racism keeps blacks at the bottom of the socio-economic scale, so yes, it relates to economics.
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: a distinctive doctrine, cause, or theory
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: an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief
There is a black president.... there are black or people of color that are CEO's, CFO's, Owners of forbes Top 100, there are people of color making millions, billions, of dollars., people of color hold power positions, are senators, govenors, mayors, police chiefs, sheriffs, etc..... Yet blacks are kept down. Please excuse me while I go fucking throw up.
Again I am not saying racism isn't happening.... but FUCK THAT you are saying the system is "keeping people of color down" I would say culture is keeping them down.... the same attitude presented when talked about Sheriff Clarke..... The culture dictates he is called a "house slave" or "uncle tom". That attitude is what is keeping the black community down.
Let's talk about the government (CIA if we're being specific) creating crack cocaine and forcing it to be sold in black neighborhoods, while conveniently because of the war on drugs, blacks got addicted to crack or went to prison for selling it which helped the deterioration of the black family.
How about the fact that although the rate of drug use among blacks and whites is the same, blacks are up to 13 times more likely to be arrested for drug charges. That is a well-documented fact that you may look up if you don't believe me. And what about the fact that, on average, blacks are given much harsher sentences for drug-related crimes (and crimes in general) than whites. This, also, is well documented.
Or how about the booming city of Detroit who segregated the city by forcing blacks to stay in "the bottom" neighborhoods (ghettos), then built highways ON TOP OF THE BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS, so whites could go live in the suburbs and blacks were left with destroyed communities and little if any resources to rebuild them.
Let's not dare talk about the Tuskegee syphilis experiment that only ended in the 1970s where black men where fooled into thinking they were receiving healthcare when the experimenters did not tell them they had syphilis nor did they treat them... this went on for decades and many of the men eventually died.
And what about the racial quotas some police departments have, where they HAVE to profile certain races, like blacks and hispanics, and are given actual numbers of how many they need to arrest. This has been admitted by countless former cops.
These examples should sound like horrible injustices to the rational mind.
As a police officer, if I pull over a black guy, and I don't like his attitude or demeanor, I have the right to kill him. Don't you know black guys always have guns on them? I'm just protecting myself and the neighborhood!
And GACA, it's ok. The sentence was utted years ago by Michael Scott on the tv show The Office; instead of "Nina, you ignorant slut," he said, "Dwight, you ignorant slut." One of my fave quotes from The Office. Gave me a chuckle.
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The government didn't create crack, drug dealers did, because it was profitable.
And it's funny that you misquoted me and put words in my mouth but accidentally admitted that I do in fact have a leg to stand on. Bravo, Jester!
And those things are completely relevant to this discussion. They also help those who cry "what about black on black crime?!" (as if they care) because many of the atrocities I mentioned have a direct correlation to the deteriorating of black communities which leads to crime. More instances where blacks were oppressed, even violently so, and these didn't even take place very long ago. It is not rocket science.
You are judging the man by the color of his skin. You would not have used those words if Clarke was white. Yes Nina, that makes it a racist comment
What have been the two most high profile incidents that sparked riots and the BLM movement?
Freddie Gray in Baltimore and Michael Brown in Ferguson.
It's rather interesting to see what has happened. In the Freddie Gray case, three polce officers were found innocent and all charges have been dropped against the remains officers. Prosecutor Marilyn Mosby has been accused by some of professional misconduct and is being compared to Michael Wifong, the prosecutor in the Duke lacrosse case.
We are approaching the two year anniversary of Ferguson. Now that state and federal investigations have been completed, will MSNBC and Rachel Maddow actually go on the air and present the actual facts of the case. After lengthy investigations it was concluded the police officer was not guilty of any wrongdoing. Numerous black witnesses have come forward to state Brown did not have his hands up as was reported. He was being the aggressor and was moving towards the police office. He ignored numerous warnings to stop and get down. MSNBC and CNN should be held accountable in their role in encouraging the protests.
His comments were on point.
"We're hiring. Get off that protest line and put an application in. We’ll put you in your neighborhood and help you resolve some of those problems.”
GACA perfectly demonstrates the laughably piteous hypocrisy of the left when he hides behind his keyboard threatening my with violence, when the only reason he is comfortable threatening violence is because he is safely anonymous behind his keyboard.
The ignorant slut (Tis) even insults one of the nations best law enforcement officers by calling him a "house slave." That is more racist than anything else posted on this thread. She is unable to see past her own prejudices and hate. Just like GACA is a democrat party plantation slave who voted for Obama because he was black, Tis is the type of cunt who will vote for HIldebeast simply because she is a woman. BTW - it was Valerie Jarret and Michelle Obama who coined the nickname "Hildebeast".
Nonetheless, back to my original post. Gaca and the ignorant slut have perfectly proven my point, while I comfortably slept, that BLM manipulates their useful idiot supporters into defending even their most abhorrent acts and statements. Their uninformed defense of a violent, hateful, terrorist -yes, terrorist- organization enables said organization to continue undermining 50+ years of progress and advancing their anti-American agenda. go to their website and read their platform: https://policy.m4bl.org/ , then come back and tell me I'm wrong. It is communist. It is racist at its core. It is utterly anti-American. Anyone who supports it should be completely ashamed. Even the liberal media, and yes it is a known fact that the mainstream/network media has a huge liberal bias, has barely spoken of it because eve they recognize the damage it would cause. BLM has finally begun falling towards the lunatic fringe.
"Your remarks were racist because it's obvious that you believe a black person should only have views that you agree with."
That is not racism. Disliking someone because they don't believe with your views is not racism. I implore you to register at your local community college and take a cheap social science course. LEARN something about what racism is. Racism is discrimination based on race with the thought that one's race is superior to another. Please, understand terms before you use them.
"You are judging the man by the color of his skin. You would not have used those words if Clarke was white. Yes Nina, that makes it a racist comment"
For of all, I was not judging him by the color of his skin. I was QUITE CLEARLY judging him by the statements he made and the fact that he works Fox News, kisses the ass of his white superiors there to gain acceptance, and is used as a pawn (like Stacey Dash) for Fox News to say "hey, even though we are pretty racist, here's a smiling black person to prove blacks need to get over racism!"
The "house slave" is a term a lot of people use in the black community to describe other blacks who are not for the black rights movement, but instead do whatever they can to please whites / racists. It stems from, obviously, house slaves in actual slavery times. The house slaves stayed inside, and stayed so far up the masters' ass, while the field slave worked outside picking cotton and eating scraps. (When the master was sick, the house slaves didn't say "master is sick," they said "we are sick.") The house slaves loved their masters and would please them to no end. Hence the term being used today.
Again, I said nothing racist. Nothing I said was discriminatory and/or aimed at implying that blacks are inferior. If he and people like Stacey Dash are house slaves, I guess that makes me a field slave. Oh well. Malcom X even wrote a piece comparing the house slave vs the field slave of current days (it was different times, so he used the term "negro"). You do a simple google search of "Malcom X explains house negro vs field negro" and find his words on the better and perhaps get a better understanding of what the term "house slave" might mean today.
*if you don't feel like enrolling at a cheap community college, feel free to pick up a couple of textbooks and read them. Knowledge is power, and since you didn't even know the definition of racism, I'd say you could learn a lot from reading one of those textbooks. I can recommend to you some names of good, informative social science books - I've taken plenty of those classes.
In the early 20th century radical ideas put forward by extremist terrorists Fredrich Engels, Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin were considered by ALMOST all as crazy, unthinkably stupid and certainly nothing anyone would support. By 1915 Russia was in turmoil fighting "Marxist" terrorists. In 1917 Marxism and Lenin took over Russia, murdered most opponents - including the entire royal family - and began a reign of terror that lasted 40 years and was responsible over 40 million political murders (not counting 20 million WWII combat casualties). The Marxist regime controlled Russia over 70 years and many people argue that Putin is simply an extension of that same totalitarian socialist regime.
Could the BLM demands become a 21st century socialist manifesto?
Funny how you think the CIA created crack.... No my dear they didn't not. The CIA had involvement with the Contras down in South America by supplying them with guns, military training, and what not. Then the "contras" used those tactics to help push their drugs (cocaine) and rise to power. The price of Cocaine was high and dealers wanted a way to sell it for cheaper and maximize profit. So they developed "crack"... which the dealers sold to minorities. My dear.... google that and you will see many articles pointing out what I stated more than what you are....most of yours comes under "conspiracy theory's".
Detriot and the "segregation"..... WTF... if that was 100% true... any developer, the city, etc would be thrown in jail and fined.... There are law specificly targeting what you have just stated. The Fair Housing Act.... The Civil Rights Act.... etc.
Police and "racial" quota's..... WTF..... I cant even take u seriously on this one. In 2016 a government agency that is monitored still has "racial" quotas...... BULLLLLL SHITTTTT. Also after they pull over a person of color for speeding they sprinkle crack on them and also place an unregistered gun on them too...... For Christ sakes.
Again you are talking all about "conspiracy" theory's...... OMG.
I bring up cold hard facts....and you come back with conspiracy theory's......
I am so done with this discussion.... When people cant see that their own beliefs and thinking is a big part of the racial divide in this country. then we can't move forward....
****** Nina was 100% correct with the difference with drug convictions vs race. That is something that needs to be addressed. It is more likely that a person of color will end up in jail vs a white person when it comes to drugs. I don't know if this is a problem with our judicial system or what. Or is the availability of out/in patient programs in certain area's and not in others. Or is it the type of drugs being used.... ie: pills vs more hard core drugs... I can't put my finger on it.
" Racism is discrimination based on race with the thought that one's race is superior to another. Please, understand terms before you use them" - nina
So to say a person of color CANT be racist.... isn't that a racist statement because you are saying people of color are superior???? Again.... think about it.
"Detriot and the "segregation"..... WTF... if that was 100% true... any developer, the city, etc would be thrown in jail and fined.... There are law specificly targeting what you have just stated. The Fair Housing Act.... The Civil Rights Act.... etc."
...and yet, in current times the government in Flint, MI let the entire city unknowingly drink poisoned water for years, and the problem remains unsolved.
Anyway, here is a cited source on the destruction of black neighborhoods in Detroit (many of which where thriving before they were destroyed).
http://wdet.org/posts/2015/10/19/81771-c…
Here is an example of a class action lawsuit against the NYPD about having illegal (racist) quotas on arrests.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations…
Snip from article:
"They’ll tell you to your face: blacks, Hispanics, from 14 to 21, they must get stopped,” said NYPD officer Pedro Serrano.
The things I said are all factual. The Tuskegee syphilis experiment happened, and only stopped in the 70s... it is well documented, has been accepted by science, and is one of the best examples of unethical experiment. This was discussed (even in the textbooks) in a couple classes I took at my university.
Every thing I said is well documented, the drug war race disparities are present, you even admitted it. It is so disproportionate BECAUSE OF RACISM; minorities are profiled, stopped and frisked more often, and even given harsher sentences than whites when the rate of drug use is the same. Institutionalized racism.
Crsm, still holding out the hope that you can clearly see the logical fallacy in your reasoning.
It isn't racist to say people of color can't be racist when the "givien" is "only people in power can be racist." (Clearly implies that blacks are in the subordinate position )
To implement racism one needs power and politcal/economic influence.
Again blacks can be prejudice and discriminatory but they cannot be racist (until the world flips and black inexplicably gain control of all the capital )
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations…
But when we look at the numbers of blacks killed by police under those circumstances, given that the number is over some threshold (and really '1' is too many), can we not look at that figure and say to ourselves: "this is not acceptable."
Nina --> "BLM is a direct response to the senseless killings of black people at the hands of authority figures who face no consequences for the brutalities." --> end quote Nina
(also assuming you don't have me on ignore. you never know these days...)
Civil rights in the '60s? Only 64 percent of Democrats in Congress voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act (153 for, 91 against in the House; and 46 for, 21 against in the Senate). But 80 percent of Republicans (136 for, 35 against in the House; and 27 for, 6 against in the Senate) voted for the 1964 Act.
I was aware that the Civil Rights Act garnered greater support among Republicans than among Democrats in Congress, contrary to the prevailing mythology. It's nice to see the figures in black and white (so to speak).
I also agree with the mythical nature of the so-called "switch of the parties" on civil rights. It never happened! It is a convenient myth of the Left that, beginning with Nixon's "Southern strategy" in 1968, the GOP became the party of racism and the Democrats became the party of racial enlightenment. The reason that the South became solidly Republican is that the old segregationist New Deal *liberals* like Stennis, Eastland, Fulbright, etc. and their followers died off and were replaced by a rising generation of much less racist, much less segregationist Southern whites who overwhelmingly voted for the party that best represented their interests, originally economic and later also moral: the Republican Party.
It is also a myth, by the way, that these [mostly] Southern segregationist Democrats were conservatives. They were, in fact, liberals in their avid support of the New Deal, the Fair Deal, and the Great Society and of a strong central government -- and they were also ardent supporters of Segregation Now, Segregation Forever! There is in fact no contradiction between progressive economic views and racism. Woodrow Wilson, Margaret Sanger, and Lyndon Johnson are but three of countless examples of racist progressives.
I have one more point to make. As I read through this interminable thread, I noticed that those on the Left who claim that only white people can be racist try to imbed this notion of systemic economic oppression into the very definition of racism. The definition of racism is simple enough -- "the belief that some races of people are better than others" -- and implies nothing about power structures or economic oppression. If you wrongly define "racism" so that it includes this extraneous notion of oppression, then you can use this new definition to wrongly conclude that only whites can be racist. Even if you define a cow as having five legs because you're counting its tail as a leg, it is still the case that cows have only four legs.
Is Gammanu really trying to defend Zimmerman? Lol. Do your research, Zimmerman has been in trouble with the law a lot, not just the Martin case. So basically a 14 year old is beating him up, and then he kills him. That makes him a pussy and murderer in my book. Take the beating like a man.
Motorhead you make some good points. Black on black crime is the most devastating issue in the black community right now, a lot more needs to be said and done about this. Having said all that, the BLM is focusing on the police, because the police's job is to protect and serve the community, but BLM and a lot of other people feel the police are just killing black males without just cause and getting away with it (not getting locked up). Motor your claim that Nina is a racist and your continued blaming everything on the "liberal" media is cringeworthy. You're better than that.
Some of you bring up that the people killed by police a lot of times were armed and/or resisting arrest. That's fine, but to me that does not justify killing them, cmon that's senseless. If the police really feel their life is in danger, shoot the guy in the leg, and then if he reaches into his pockets after that, then kill him. If you pull over a guy and he tells you he's armed, why the fuck are you telling him to take his license out while he's still sitting in his car? The proper thing to do is have him get out of the car with his hands up, and then you take the gun out of his pocket. Then you can ask him to pull out his license.
Some of you may not realize this, but not all police are good people. Some of them just get in the police field just to be able to intimidate people, and to feel like they're above the law. I grew up with a guy that was a bully and a punk. He's not a good guy, but he's a police officer now. If I called the police now, and he came over, I wouldn't feel like he has my best interests at heart. I think the police need to be retrained on when is the right time to shoot, better awareness etc, because it's not just blacks that are being killed unfairly.
I don't really support the BLM because the looting and burning of things ain't right, but for the most part it's peaceful. With the killings it's not a group of people that go around and kill the police officers like a hit list. It's one idiot that goes and kills a few police officers, that guy was probably already a criminal. The BLM doesn't stand for that. But I don't know what's inside your brain if you think BLM=KKK.
As a guy who's half black, I will say yes black people do bring up the race card way too much, sometimes in those situations race has nothing to do with it, but the police shootings is not a good example for you to point out black people bringing up the race card. I'm also proud of my people for always fighting for what they believe in, and not just settling. Right now in America, a lot of Mexicans have it tough, I wish there were more outspoken Mexicans that would speak about their struggles.
If we really want to go deep into this, the "no snitching" campaign in the streets is one of the big causes for the black on black crime, but that's another topic for another day.
I'll end with this. Imagine that your son got pulled over by the cops. He has a gun on him, he could have it legally. He resists arrest and the cops kill him because they know he has a gun. As a parent are you gonna say, "well he deserved to die, he should have listened to the cops". No, you're going to say, "he should have listened to the cops, but he did not deserve to get killed".
It's not exactly true but it's not exactly false. The real answer is more nuanced that that. The two party system isn't really enough. They are just labels and a diversion.
-Dominic
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He's right that the examples I've seen of police with a white man who tells the police that he has a gun is the police first disarm he then get his license and proceed with the balance of their investigation.
Also for a whole host of things these individuals are doing to police officers. Those being detained do not deserve the Death Penalty for their infractions from police, in many (if not nearly all) cases.They are police officers which are part of the executive powers. They are not the judicial powers. Yet they are out there executing people as if they are.
Maybe someone should tell them "executive" branch isn't the "execution" branch. /s
I have seen first hand and example of the police officer larry mentions. My roommate in college (white) had a cousin (also white) who is best described as a "white-man-on-a-power-trip." Even my roommate was "afraid" to be stopped by his own cousin. We also recently let go a VP at my company. He was once a sheriff and could best be described as a white man on a power trip. Many people were genuinely afraid of him, he was intimidating and rude, but he had these paper and electronic files of dirt on everyone when he left. The man know how to hold power and abuse it.
Some of those people are out there right now with badges. This is not the best way to staff a police force!!
In the same paragraph you assert that, "BLM and a lot of other people feel the police are just killing black males without just cause and getting away with it " The key word here is "feel," facts do NOT support that feeling. As has been repeated often in these political threads, the FACTS prove, beyond any possible doubt, that police DO NOT target blacks - or any other race - for shootings. The key data point, reported by the very liberal Washington Post, is that of 506 people shot by police so far this year, about 125 identify as black. The 25% black/total ratio is little above the ratio of black/total population. If fact, when you consider that other statistics, like the percentage who are armed, it becomes apparent that police are less likely to shoot a black suspect! Facts simply do NOT support the BLM claims, and "feelings" are not sufficient cause to override the US Constitution, or endanger civilians or police.
To accuse police as a "cause" of civil problems, is dishonest and does a disservice to this nation. Yes, "bad cops" are out there, but seldom last on police forces more than a few years. Those "bad cops" also come in all colors. There are far more GREAT cops, again in all colors. The honest answer to the issue of so many black people dying has to address the welfare programs originated destruction of the integral black family and the presence of gangs, drugs and the "'hood" rap culture. If young black males had a positive male role model maybe they wouldn't be killing each other so often. Perhaps if young black males didn't believe they had to sag their pants, wear colors, dis' on cops and strut around with a piece in their pants, there would be fewer young black males on metal tables in morgues.
The perception that black are being targeted by cops, like its predecessor, whites are targeting blacks, is a political tool of the progressive movement, attempting to divide people into classes that can be better influenced. This Alensky tactic is obviously effective, but anyone who considers the facts must realize the truth.
Cops ain't the problem. Old white males are Not the problem. The GOP is not the problem. And whose great, great, great granddaddy owned who 155 years ago - ain't the problem. If my son feels he is justified in resisting knowingly armed police, and then is incapable of out-shooting notoriously poor marksmen in police uniforms, I will be heartbroken at his loss. But I, and my former Marine son both, know that when bullets fly, there is no right or wrong, just death or not!
Shut the media off for a while and maybe find something that will help make you take a nap. I'll be thinking about an afternoon of extras-supplied clubbing for the biggest PL out there! What would his name be?
That's all I need to see to know I can't have a conversation with you without a lot of bias. So I won't.
And it's funny that you misquoted me and put words in my mouth but accidentally admitted that I do in fact have a leg to stand on. Bravo, Jester!"
Repeating a conspiracy theory doesn't make it true. The CIA didn't create crack cocaine. What's debatable is to what extent they allowed the Contras to bring cocaine into this country which created a glut leading to the creation of crack cocaine.
I wasn't misquoting you, I was mocking your blatant attempt to pivot. I'm glad you found it amusing. I didn't accidentally admit anything, I clearly said you MIGHT have a leg to stand on with some of your points.
Before you tell Motor to go learn what racism means you should probably take a refresher course, since your under the delusion that only white people can be racist.
Not everyone is capable of authenticating the report in front of them. So biased reports are slipped and present as fact. It happens. It's human.
That's RACIST.
"You realize that when you use the term "house slave" (and all the times I've heard people say that they were black and said "house nigger") you're suggesting that a black person can't reach an opinion or attitude on their own because YOU perceive it to be a "white" opinion/attitude"
We acknowledge that House Slaves have reached a very SELF SERVING opinion of being a sycophant to the very people who have little regard for their humanity or dignity and only want then around to as "yes-men", so that they suffer and are persecuted less than other blacks.
Better to be a the lower than a dog on the winning side, than to fight for justice and humanity on the losing side.
That's why they are disgusting, no principles no pride, they are cocktail roaches only looking to survive the struggle, rather than do the hard work of fighting for what's right
Again white-people, if there are millions of angry blacks saying one thing, and only one or two of your "black friends" saying another, chances are they're telling you what they think you want to hear
House slaves don't respect anyone. ...cowards who only want to save their own skin
I didn't suggest or imply such a thing, jester214 --- you're confusing me with mikeyea02. When I called Sherriff Clarke a house slave, mikeyea02 said GACA and I described Obama, which is false. Just because Obama is a hard working, successful black man does not mean he is someone of Clarke's character, who kisses the ass of racist white folks. Remember, Clarke works with Fox News. Fox News doesn't like Obama, and Fox News has a conservative agenda to regularly defend killer cops and paint the dead victims as "thugs."
So again, calling a black person a "house slave" is not racist, as it doesn't implicate any feelings that blacks are inferior to whites. In fact, as I stated, if Clarke is a house slave I am a field slave. If you guys still think me calling him that is somehow racist (lmao), you still are not comprehending the concept. Again, I will say even Malcolm X wrote a speech about the differences, where he too referred to himself as "a field negro."
http://notesfromtheninthcircle.blogspot.…
Was Malcolm X also racist in saying that? Those of you with narrow minds aren't even grasping the point of the word because it doesn't concern you. White people don't have to live with every day racism that blacks and other minorities do, so you can choose to refute every thing I've said, the proof I've gathered and showed you, and some of you still won't care. Some of you will at least try to understand the plight of blacks, and I commend those who do so as you will be helping black civil rights matters.
I am mixed with black and white, and have not anywhere in this thread implied that one race is superior to another. Not once. Do not tell me that I am the racist one because you are not the one who's had to deal with it. I am learned on the topic through first-hand life experience as well as collegiate education.
And house slave is racist. Why you feel this is a debate you have to win is beyond me
He denies police brutality even though there is a plethora of documented evidence that it not only exists, but is a dangerous threat to civilians...
He uses his completely dishonest agenda to kiss as of the same Fox News chronies that are so often being racist (and hateful in general, of other discrininated groups) and of course got a book deal about it where he writes about cops being in danger and his skewed perception of race relations which is completely out of touch with the reality of the the vast majority of black Americans... but he banks off it.
This thread effectively illuminates us all as to why we are so far from anything resembling harmony in this country. SO many DEEPLY held viewpoints and so little willingness to even hear the other side of each coin. How are we EVER going to reach win/win solutions to our issues??
Would anyone argue that the United States is more racially harmonious than it was 8 years old? I surely would not.
Albert Einstein warned that insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Maybe it is time we all -- citizens, politicians, law-enforcement, bad guys -- all try something different.
You realize it's a pejorative right? You're using a pejorative that revolves around skin color and trying to suggest that's not racist? Are you fucking kidding me?
Another pivot! The old "your opinions aren't valid because you're white". Now if I said the reverse I'd be a racist right? But when you do it its cool?
You should try the logic in the courtroom some day, I'm sure it will serve you well.
LOL. Pot meet kettle.
I agree. But I don't think this thread is a perfect example of that.
I do think your posts in this thread are a perfect example of your youth and inexperience. Or perhaps your complete sense of denial. Maybe they go hand in hand.
Really dude? That's not any better.
So house slave is in fact not racist at all
Your using intentional misquote to formulate and view that wasn't even stated.
Maybe you have to resort to these fallacies because you know you're wrong
I'm guessing you never went to college, and if you did (which I really doubt) it was a pitiful one like NC State
Right, because you don't have that much brainpower to begin with. You are far more ignorant than anybody in this board except maybe dallas, meat, jester and motorhead (i don't know which of you is the most ignorant). And the sluts at the bottom of society are worth more than you. You are a waste of damn sperm cells. You are not even worth the air you breathe.
What every old guy who just got out witted says to young people because they have nothing valid to argue
No I stopped responding to you not because you're an asshole(anybody can be an as whole on the internet) but because you are a waste of my (black) superior brain power. I honestly Don't know why this topic is still going. You and your opinion and facts and statistics mean absolutely nothing.
I've seen Nina argue well in threads before, I can safely say this isn't her best. She isn't running circles around anyone here. Neither are you.
I have multiple degrees... Though I'm not sure why it's relevant.
On your last comment: I took classes at State because they offer a Masters degree in History that you can do at night. I didn't need the degree but I enjoy History and thought it would be fun. Sadly I started traveling too much for work to be able to really take live classes so I pretty much gave up on it. That said I can say firsthand that State is a fine school, certainly not pitiful, particularly in Engineering.
I'm not old by any standard. I haven't been out witted by anyone in this thread.
Especially not by the two people who think only white people can be racist and/or thinks it's a fact that the CIA invented crack cocaine.
#MixedLivesMatterMore :)
Guessing you score average SAT's
How is that obtuse?
I suppose out of fairness I probably should have mocked some of the other more ridiculous statements, for example: skibum's assertion that BLM is as bad as the KKK. I basically stopped reading Gammanu the first time he addressed you as slut.
#BlueLivesMatter
#HouseSlaveIsRacist
#HouseNiggaIsRacist
#HouseNiggerIsRacist
#GodDamnILoveTorturingYouFools
Lol! As if a basic weaving subject at what community college Nina attends is supposed to impress us. Hint: if they have to try so hard to put "science" in the name it ain't one.
Detroit's an "affluent" city? Ok, maybe the standards for political "science" majors.
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/761386865…
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/04/us/south-c…
okay, first it is "home to 'roost'", you dim-witted tool. Also, I agree. However, I doubt that American has the guts to call out Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, BLM, and the rest out on the carpet for the discipline they so richly deserve. At least it looks like the Baltimore DA Mosely will receive some justice from the bar association for malicious prosecution.
Why were you flying on private jets when you were 10/11?
They put forth the black incarceration rates, especially for drug crimes to demonstrate that racism exists. But yet everyime in past threads when FBI crime statistics are posted that clearly show a disproportionate amount of violent crimes are committed by young, black males, someone will always claim those stats are lies -- posted on the Internet by white hate groups. LMAO
^Motorhead, that's been my complaint with many internet "debates" especially political ones, Tuscl included. I am glad to see another member pointing this out, too.
Otherwise we're arguing two tautologies, which doesn't even make sense.
Nina for the win!
However, you are just a sad sack 2 club PL sucking up to Nina, who is, most likely, a catfish.
Your argument is invalid.
(and yeah I get the whole spiel about 'participation trophies' being meaningless but its still a pissing contest--- Nobody wins!)