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The psychology of strippers

larryfisherman
California
This might be a deep topic for TUSCL, but stay with me lol.

We all know strippers get into stripping to make quick easy money. Most of the time they have expectations of doing it for a few weeks, and then getting out. Of course most of the time they stay longer than they planned to.

My question is about the ones who make really good money stripping. Why don't a lot of them look ahead towards school and their professional career? Why don't they take advantage of their opportunities?

What I mean by that let's say a stripper starts stripping at 21. In no time she's making great money, and she can afford to use some of her stripping money for school. The problem is she never takes advantage of the opportunity. She doesn't enroll in any classes. She just continues stripping for the next 10 years. Now she's over 30, and she's a little over the hill. She's not making good money like she used to. She didn't save any of her stripping money. So she's 31, not making good money, and has no college degree. Yikes.

Why don't strippers take advantage of the opportunities? Stripping is some of the easiest money you'll ever make, but like professional sports it has a extremely limited shelf life.

Thoughts?

27 comments

  • san_jose_guy
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    8 years ago
    Well, college and book learning don't work that well for lots of people. Also, most of these girls did not start stripping to send themselves to school. They just did it because it was available and seemed harmless. Maybe a friend was doing it. They got introduced to a soft core club.

    And then there were others who were already having to take care of themselves and already getting into things at least approximating prostitution before they were 18yo.

    One I was friendly with was going to nursing school. Another came to a soft core club from having worked at a Victoria's Secret store. She was going to community college.

    Others get hooked into the strange hours, then staying up later with guys doing 2am OTC, and then with the alcohol and the drugs. And then they get psychologically hooked into the money, money they don't need, but it is still an emotional rush, like drugs.

    Lots of people might go to post-secondary school if the social context of their life were right for it. But for many it is not.

    And then also many of these girl already have kids, and this does influence their options.

    SJG

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  • JamesSD
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    8 years ago
    They're young. Sometimes they have kids. Sometimes they are supporting semi deadbeat boyfriends and baby daddies. Sometimes they have drug habits. Sometimes it's just shoes, cars, clotheso. Sometimes they support other family members.

    They arent that different than 45 year Olds who haven't saved a dollar for retirement, other than a shorter clock.

    A lot of girls turn to stripping because they weren't exactly college material to begin with.
  • JamesSD
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    8 years ago
    I would say of the girls I've had lengthy discussions with, most have at least some semblance of an exit plan. It might not be a good one in my opinion. But most 19 year Olds don't want to be stripping at 25, most 25 year old strippers don't want to be doing it at 30.
  • shailynn
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    8 years ago
    I could ask the same question, why do athletes do the same thing. Some asshole signs a $40 million dollar contact which is more than half a dozen of us will make in a lifetime. Then you read how they're broke 4 years later.

    I would imagine most girls don't look ahead for their futures or some of the higher earners imagine they'll land a wealthy hubby by the time they hit 30.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    My thinking was that the stripping money comes too quick and easy for them, that they don't want to do something else which actually requires work. They're basically just looking at the short term, not the long term.
  • san_jose_guy
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    8 years ago
    Comparing them to athletes, Shailynn +5

    I don't think they are lazy, it is just that school does not work well for everyone. And even professional careers really won't work for many people. Many strippers and many people in general are coming from abusive families. Life just can't be like it is for other people.

    And if you are trying to apply Calvinist ideas to strippers, then they are smart to keep stripping and doing all the OTC they can. It's just that this messes them up, and so they end up on chemicals.

    SJG

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  • mikeya02
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    8 years ago
    SJG, You work for Child Protective Services don't you? This would explain your narrow view on things. You;re always in contact with the dregs of society. Be honest
  • san_jose_guy
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    8 years ago
    I don't support middle-class values. So I have contact with all sorts of people.

    But the place you find children being used as status symbols is the middle-class family. And where children are least protected, is the middle-class family. Some of the worst of it is medical doctor and therapist aided child abuse, formerly known as Munchausen's By Proxy.

    I would love to work for Child Protective Services, especially if it could be an extra-legal version.

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  • a21985
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    8 years ago
    Suprisingly, the reverse is actually not too rare. A few of them already have a good education. In fact, if you're very smart and aware, and thus know how to manipulate effectively, you can make a killing. With college costs the way they are, some very intelligent women turn to stripping to deal with debts, recognize the income potential and focus on that rather than what they went to school for.

    One dancer I know has a nursing degree from a certain top tier public university in southeastern Michigan, yet makes bank stripping in Detroit instead. Admittedly a bit shortsighted of a career decision on her part...
  • sharkhunter
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    8 years ago
    My opinion is that the money comes so easy, they are very short sighted and treat the money like party money setting aside just enough to pay bills but enjoying the rest buying stuff to splurge or a car or whatever they want and don't worry about setting aside a portion for an emergency fund, long term retirement or unexpected medical expenses. It's a combination of a lack of planning and or lack of knowledge of how to or a lack of a desire to set aside funds for other things. Then they keep doing the same thing. Even if they think they know better, they think they have time to change later. While things might work out for an ordinary joe or Jane getting raises when he or she works harder and learns new job skills, the dancer faces declining income the longer she stays in the profession.

    Just my opinion based on one particular group of relatives who seem to always have money problems. I think one of my sisters in law is not too bright and most of her kids took after her. She doesn't seem to understand a budget and never did in my opinion. All my blood relatives do. My one brother who is still married to her has so many problems it's not funny. His long term plan is to die before her.
  • RandomMember
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    8 years ago
    ^^^Strong parenting would help in getting a dancer to get the right education and to save in invest. Thing is, strong parents would probably prevent a young women from dancing in the first place.
  • larryfisherman
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    8 years ago
    Excellent insight Sharkhunter
  • rogertex
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    8 years ago
    you are not gonna get real answers here on TUSCL. most here could care less. I'd say post this important question on Stripperweb. Amidst tons of Flames and rubbish - you might get a few real responses and maybe one or two success stories.

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  • ppwh
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    8 years ago
    I think rogertex is on to something. When I was just getting my career going, I had a favorite I would try to give career advice to. Dating might have been a possibility, but I think the unsolicited advice pretty much killed any chances.
  • Imamutt
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    8 years ago
    I think the ease and volume of the cash flow does generate a blatant lack of understanding of what it takes to earn money through hard honest work. I have sent it before and just again last night, a stripper literally prying a roll of cash out of a customer's hand while he was tipping her on stage. Also, a 100- a day weed habit coupled with a 100- a day liquor habit would completely consume a skilled laborer's entire paycheck. I have known a couple dancers who bank to buy a home, and one who told me she makes more in stock trading, but likes the attention she gets dancing.
  • vincemichaels
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    8 years ago
    Just fuck em and leave em, don't worry about the perceived lack of education, I knew a dancer working on her Masters.
  • DandyDan
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    8 years ago
    I think bad parenting has something to do with it. It sounds odd, but one of the more book smart strippers I've met was a high school dropout who only well into her stripping career got a GED. I believe in that case, the problem was mom was a stripper and probably saw no value in making sure her kids got an education. I've known a few other second generation strippers as well, so all they are doing is copying what mom did.

    OTOH, I've also known my fair share of college grad strippers. Most of them seemed to need the attention that comes when you strip naked in front of strangers. One of my old favorites from my old favorite club was a total nympho who enjoyed that club specifically for the opportunity to get laid with complete strangers, or at least it appeared that way,
  • Timex345
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    8 years ago
    My favorite strippers have always been Filipino girls.
    Stripping was the best way for them to earn good money.
    One girl told me she started as a waitress. She made more money in tips in one night
    than working a civilian job. They never seem to age and seem to be able to dance for a long
    period of time. Also, they will always have an older sugar daddy helping them.
    One girl was a "maid" wink wink for a filfthy rich oil man. So, these girls are smarter than you think.
  • rockstar666
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    8 years ago
    Trying to figure out a dancer's mind is like trying to figure out who actually voted for Trump.
  • skibum609
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    8 years ago
    As a new lawyer and being young I leaped at the opportunity of an office on Boston harbor and good pay for my first job and gave notice at my then non-legal job. The day before starting I ended up contacting the Lawyer I was replacing, who was driving a cab, and he told me he quit because of dishonesty. When I called the Office Manager and asked for an explanation I was told to "come in and make my own decisions about my earning capacity". I ended up moving furniture and starting at the bottom of a small firm, at lousy pay, a year later. It took me 9 years to start making the money I had quit on. The next year I saw that the Office Manager, the owner and 5 attorneys all went to jail for fraud. Easy money is a short term boon that results in long term failure.
  • rockstar666
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    8 years ago
    skibum: So you're saying I should stop selling drugs?
  • mrrock
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    8 years ago
    Because most strippers are also lazy.
  • sharkhunter
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    8 years ago
    Not that anyone cares but for the record, I do not know who I will vote for president especially since none of the above is not on the ticket unless that is the Libertarian candidate. It don't think it will matter anyway in my state because SC has voted Republican no matter who I vote for. It's like this Lyndsey Graham guy keeps getting elected and I don't know of any Republican who voted for the guy. Everyone I talk to seems to not like him.
    Trying to figure out a stripper can be like trying to figure out who voted for who.
  • san_jose_guy
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    8 years ago
    There have been quite a few strippers here at our local soft core clubs who had completed their post secondary education.

    And in this society, no matter how many degrees you have, this does not mean you will even have a chance at a decent career. That's just how it is.

    And then lots of strippers are those for whom it will take decades just to reclaim what was taken away from them via familial abuses. The minority that understands this has a chance. The rest will probably self destruct on alcohol and drugs.

    SJG
  • jsbach
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    8 years ago
    Sad truth is we are all indebted to the often times abusive parents of these girls that have given them the sufficiently low enough self-esteem to show off and/or sell their bodies.
  • san_jose_guy
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    8 years ago
    Well, if they engage with me, they get treated just like any other girl. And I love girls who know how to dress sexy.

    I don't know that it is really low-self esteem either. It is simply that those that are self-aware cannot support middle-class society.

    Those that are not self-aware are the ones who burn up on drugs and alcohol.

    SJG
  • RandomMember
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    8 years ago
    @JSBach: +1 Many exceptions, but that's more less what I'm thinking.
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