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Will the legalization of prostitution movement ever progress in the US?

Monday, June 27, 2016 2:27 PM
Given the recent movements to legalize gay marriage and weed (at least in some states), will prostitution ever be seen in a similar light? Aside from Nevada, will any "liberal" states move to make prostitution legal? If so, how long would it take? My feeling is that this is a very tough nut to crack, and any legalization movements are likely to still be at least 15 years away (and possibly much longer).

35 comments

  • san_jose_guy
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    8 years ago
    Seems like people don't want to legalize it. If they did, then it would be right out in the open and there would be open recruiting too. Lots of young hotties would jump in. So they seem more inclined just to let it go on, with some enforcement, but knowing that they can't really contain it. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    8 years ago
  • Dominic77
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    8 years ago
    In short, no. The reasons have everything to do with power, and not morality.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    Who knows - but in our current PC world it seems the trend is towards restricting it even more.
  • rickdugan
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    8 years ago
    No, because unlike those other special interests, prostitution does not have a large enough block of people willing to advocate for it. Most women hate it and a fair % of men openly oppose it too. Further, most of the people who do support it would never speak up, for a variety of reasons. Net-net there is no upside and all downside in politicos supporting legalization and I don't expect that to change in my lifetime.
  • georgmicrodong
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    8 years ago
    What Rick said.
  • Dominic77
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    8 years ago
    ... and I say that is a good way, at at least is a way that beneficial to men, especially men with power who have a lot to lose when a prostitute steps out of bounds or outside her place. Just go read the "stripper asked me for my last name thread, for a glimpse of the mind of men. Society can't have a scenario where a simply, lowly provider (ahem, prostitute) knows too much about the daily affairs of their customer, business dealing, or privileged information from pillow talk. It is the same issue today as it as 500 years ago. Plus wives and business colleagues are none to happy when their privileged positions (with said man in power or rank or wealth) are threatened by the lowly under-class prostitute, who is stepping out of rank with any privileged information. I mean we can't have prostitutes running around with information and power society says they should not have, right? At least that is the way I understand this historical problem of prostitutes. The problem isn't prostitution it's prostitutes. That's understanding of this historical struggle.
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    Hell ppl are still trying to get poker legalized for online play. So yes what Rick said
  • Subraman
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    8 years ago
    Unfortunately, more likely is a movement towards the despicable Nordic model, which is already gaining ground on the far left and not-so-far left, as well as a pleaser for anti-porn feminists
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    In a nutshell; what is the Nordic model?
  • Subraman
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    8 years ago
    In a nutshell: it is the codification of the whackiest of radical feminist theories: That prostitution is inherently violence against women, which means that: 1. Men buying sex are the criminals, and subject to criminal punishment 2. The prostitute is inherently a victim of a crime, not a perpetrator, and is either given a pass or help in getting out of prostitution This model is moving through Europe, and already has voices in favor of it here.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    ^ Hmm - does not bode well for the P4P enthusiasts
  • 4got2wipe
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    8 years ago
    Much as it pains me to agree with rickdugan and georgmicrodong, who I generally consider d-bags (especially the non-brilliant el pollo borracho rick who seems incapable of driving sober) I think they're right on this. Regarding the desirability of legalization there was a post some time ago backing up the position that legalization increased human trafficking. I don't remember who posted. The cited evidence was actually pretty convincing, despite my belief that legalization could be done in a way that reduced trafficking. Regardless, the point is moot. It is likely either status quo or the Nordic model.
  • JohnSmith69
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    8 years ago
    I'm not sure that this really matters. I can easily get/use weed and prostitutes with little chance of getting caught. Thus, does it really matter that they are technically illegal?
  • sharkhunter
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    8 years ago
    I see things moving backwards in my local area, more restrictive, less fun, not even nipples exposed anymore.
  • Lone_Wolf
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    8 years ago
    Yea, legal doesn't always mean better. It just means it's regulated by big brother.
  • JuiceBox69
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    8 years ago
    I can illegally fist fuck my own ass
  • vincemichaels
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    8 years ago
    Post a video, juice. :)
  • vincemichaels
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    8 years ago
    prI strongly doubt that prostitution will be legalized in our lifetime. The power structure is influenced strongly by women opposed to the loss of their (assumed) power over us men.
  • Dominic77
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    8 years ago
    4got, Rick's answer is very good (imo) so he deserves credit. I agree with it, too.
  • 4got2wipe
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    8 years ago
    "Post a video, juice. :)" Ace! juicebox69, no disrespect but I don't agree with vincemichaels' request. Please don't post a link to that video without adequate warning. I don't want to open that video while I'm eating! Or ever!
  • 4got2wipe
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    8 years ago
    "4got, Rick's answer is very good (imo) so he deserves credit. I agree with it, too." I agree and I give him full credit for that answer! I'm just saying that the whole rickdugan persona is kind of d-baggy. Remember that even a broken clock is right twice a day! Same principle: even a d-bag is correct some of the time! ;)
  • georgmicrodong
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    8 years ago
    I will point out that prostitution is *already* illegal in the US, and mostly follows, if only in spirit, the "Nordic" model. Many people in the US already treat all prostitutes as victims, even if they are being prosecuted, and we mongers are not only criminals, but are dirty, filthy, perverted criminals.
  • Subraman
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    8 years ago
    gmd: I have the opposite interpretation -- the situation in the US is in many ways the opposite of the nordic model. -In the US, the selling of prostitution is illegal. In the nordic model, selling sex is not illegal -In the US, the buying of prostitution is illegal. In the nordic model, it is too -- that's the ONE similarity -In the US, while it's true that johns sometimes get busted, the overwhelming majority of criminal action is against prostitutes. In the nordic model, the prostitute has not committed a crime -- 100% of criminal action is against the johns. -In the US, we consider both prostitute and john morally and criminally culpable for their actions. In the nordic model, the prostitute is always held blameless, only the john is morally or criminally culpable In short -- nothing alike. In the nordic model, the prostitute is looked at like being poor -- they are victims who should be offered social services, not criminals.
  • georgmicrodong
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    8 years ago
    Ah, I wasn't paying attention. I wasn't aware of the idiotic one sidedness of the legality. "Selling your house is completely legal. Buying houses is a morally corrupt thing to do, and so it is illegal!" Who's the fucking moron who thought that up?
  • Tiredtraveler
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    8 years ago
    The supreme court has again stated that a woman can do what ever she wants with her body. If she gets knocked up flush it out on demand! THAT IS HER ABSOLUTE RIGHT because it is her body!! so say the feminists. But when you ask the same feminists if she has there right to get paid to have sex they All say not that is not her right. To recap: A woman can fuck a random stranger, get pregnant and have an abortion whenever she feels like it, But.... she can't fuck a stranger and ask him to pay for the privilege, WTF?? But she can sell any other service to do with her or his body, you can get paid to check men's prostates, wax gentiles, bleach butt holes, poke hole in bodies including gentiles and trim toenails. You cannot lawfully get paid to give pleasure! I understand the original ban on prostitution was for health reasons but that has mostly gone. Pros are safer than many over used ametuers. Now I think it is about power. If guys (or women for that matter) could get laid by a nice looking partner at a reasonable fee why the hell would a career oriented professional you ever buy a ring?? Having bitchy company at home I believe is way overrated. Have you ever seen a picture of temperance women. [view link] The myth that married men live longer is BS.
  • Tiredtraveler
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    8 years ago
    Legalizing prostitution should actually reduce human trafficking. The demand for underground services will be greatly reduced. The young women of today have a completely different attitude about P4P than their mothers. It is business period hence the proliferation of high end escorts and "sugar babies". I think if a girl could pay for college with her pussy many would do it, keep it on the DL and walk away when done.
  • georgmicrodong
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    8 years ago
    @TiredTraveler: I've seen statistics that suggest decriminalization has little to no effect on trafficking itself. What it *does* do is to make it more likely that *legal* providers will report when they see it, rather than being afraid to do so because they'll be arrested or harassed themselves. Of course, as Mark Twain said, there's lies, damn lies, and statistics.
  • san_jose_guy
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    8 years ago
    My feeling is that it will just continue to grow in venues where it is impractical to enforce the law, and with more and more people becoming accustomed to it and accepting it, until eventually the authorities just have to give up. Part of this is just the continually widening wealth gap. We are becoming a third world country. SJG [view link] Doxy Spotting [view link] Murphy Bill [view link] Kibbutz Videos [view link] How Israel Lost [view link]
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    It seems the Nordic model may already be being enforced in some liberal U.S. cities like Seattle where it seems the current view is that the reason women go into prostitution is b/c men want sex and are willing to pay for it - I guess this women just can't help themselves at the temptation of a men offering her $$$ for sex and the man is the victimizer and she is a hopeless victim. And it seems in many liberal college campuses they are either trying to or have already implemented that if two students are gonna have sex they (I presume mostly the guy) has to ask for explicit permission - i.e. if things are heating up the guy is supposed to stop and "get consent" - I guess the girl; for all their equality and "I am woman I can do anything" apparently can't say no to sex in the heat of the moment - thus I believe this leaves the door wide-open for next-morning regret when the girl may feel like a whore/dirty for what she did and then wanna ease her conscience by saying "he didn't ask me if it was ok so we had sex but now I feel bad about it so it's he's fault".
  • Hugh_G_Rection
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    8 years ago
    I would say the chance is remote.... the momentum of the Nordic model and some weird anti-sex people on both the left and the right prevent it from happening in the current American mindset. As SJG pointed and others pointed out it enforcement is increasingly problematic and will get ignored in some areas. I think the biggest two edged sword here is that many jurisdictions are becoming cash strapped and looking for new revenue streams- Certainly legalize, oversee it and tax it may become an option for communities looking for a new "sin" tax, but then that may reverberate to draconian enforcement and stiffer fines as well- certainly the confiscation of vehicles, clubs and properties might be tempting to some DA's as well.
  • san_jose_guy
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    8 years ago
    Good point. Sometimes the prospect of tax money does promote legalization. And remember, right now most hooker money is totally under the table. I feel, from studying TUSCL and the map, that some of these extreme mileage strip club zones are intentional as they get out of state people. It is just like Nevada and it's casinos. They tax them highly, but have zero sales tax or state income tax. Lots of these strip club zones are there to bring in out of state money or to clip it off of highway travelers. This is at least how it looks to me. About Greenville SC, maybe an extremist got into office, otherwise it would have stayed as is. SJG Paris, the streets are a fashion show [view link] [view link] [view link] Mexico City [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] The more you go into warmer latitudes, the better the street scenes are! Columbia [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link]
  • Papi_Chulo
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    8 years ago
    Yeah - I would not doubt there are some that benefit from the status quo and make their living/career out of it (vice squad budgeting, etc).
  • JamesSD
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    8 years ago
    Even if Gary Johnson pulls 10% of the Presidential vote, I wouldn't hold my breath. Not only do the far left and far right noto like prostitution, even some moderates like Catholics aren't going to get on board. Most anti prostitution efforts nominally go after trafficking. It's a minor problem in the US; overblown in the media, but awful when it happens. Busting low level johns is a thankless game of whack a mole for law enforcement. Not saying it doesn't happen. But decriminalization is plausible. I mean, Vegas has guys handing out cards for prostitutes everywhere on the strip. It's clearly not a priority.
  • san_jose_guy
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    8 years ago
    "Busting low level johns is a thankless game of whack a mole" In San Francisco DA Terrance Hallinan gave SC's and AMP's a complete green light. But this was simply because he was looking at it from a harm reduction perspective. Out on the street he went to unprecedented levels in playing whack a mole. One of his tools was getting people to plead guilty and go into this Norma Hoatling program. [view link] SJG [view link]
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