Scanning ID
ellocohombre
Pennsylvania
Platinum Plus in Allentown, PA has a policy of scanning customers drivers licence before you are allowed to enter. Alot of customers don't agree with this policy. There seems y be many issues with this.
Your license is put through a scanner and saved for several weeks. First off,is identity theft. Second, is discretion on behalf of us who don't what others knowing our business. Third might be dancers who might use this to their advantage, is blackmail, extortion.
The clud is under probation for possible promoting issues. Would you guys go here,and what are your thoughts.
Your license is put through a scanner and saved for several weeks. First off,is identity theft. Second, is discretion on behalf of us who don't what others knowing our business. Third might be dancers who might use this to their advantage, is blackmail, extortion.
The clud is under probation for possible promoting issues. Would you guys go here,and what are your thoughts.
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In addition to the issues you raise, I don't want to be unambiguously placed at the scene of a potential crime, such as a 2 AMer.
Here in SF, I believe we're up to all but 2-3 clubs scanning IDs at night, and all but 5 scanning IDs during the day. That's okay, my favorite clubs are all among the 5 that don't scan IDs during the day, and for the most part, I'm a dayshifter. I am furious about the ID scanning, but I have to be honest with myself: if every single club started ID scanning, I would risk it and still go SCing. My SC addiction beats my concerns of the ID scan. And, to whatever extent a data breach or identity theft from the strip club would have made the news, I haven't seen it. Which, maybe, is some cold comfort for those PLs who have no choice.
The other, I still visit, but they have never asked again. The time they did ask was about 7:15 PM, and they wanted a cover charge. Walked. That was as late as I had ever gone to said club.
For the vast majority of regular clubs, anything short of an injunction or court order is just a harebrained scheme concocted by some management puke with a bug up their ass. If enough people walk over this (showing a huge pile of bills in their wallet as they walk away), maybe someone will get the message and cease this practice.
The clubs' rationale is that they are increasingly being held responsible for underage drinking (and dancers), and the cops and prosecutors don't give a shit about the "but they had an ID that said they were over 21" explanation.
Just one more example of police state thinking.
The clubs here cite multiple reasons, the above being one. Since the non-alcohol clubs also do ID scanning, it's more than just underage drinking. They also claim that it helps them track down people who skip out on their bill, people who commit assault or other crimes in the club, etc. Maybe it serves as a preventative measure, people being less likely to commit shenanigans if they know they'll get caught *shrug*. Whatever it is, the clubs feel like it's important enough that they do it even though they know customers hate it. Doesn't hurt that Deja Vu has a near-monopoly on strip clubs here, so there are very few other options.
As others have mentioned; a lot of shit seems to go down in SCs from underage drinking and strippers; to assaults/2:00 AMers; to not-paying – so I guess the majority of custies which do things the right-way have to pay the penalty for the small minority of trouble-makers.
It also seems that it may be the chain-clubs that institute this more often – sorta handed down from corporate (although not always the case).
I would assume for many the id-scanning is an issue b/c they are married and do their SCing on the down-lo. I'm not married but still don't like the idea of a strip-club having my personal info.
But scanning into a database, or otherwise retaining a photocopy- I'm in complete agreement with "25". Showing ID is like answering door for a stranger, having ID scan is like letting a stranger into your house. Guard personal info accordingly.
25, fun as it always is to bash the lawyers, the biggest force pushing clubs towards capturing ids is LE. So be pissed at the cops if you want to, or at the politicians who direct law enforcement, but bashing the lawyers just shows ignorance. Lawyers are our society's greatest protection against over zealous law enforcement.
But since the issues are complicated, I'll just leave you with one thought. You have assumed that it is the lawyers who are making our society unreasonably litigious and greedy. But isn't it equally possible that what the lawyers do is itself simply a reflection of social trends towards increasingly hostile conflict and greed? What I'm suggesting is that to the extent that your observations are true, the blame and criticism lie as much or more with our society as a whole than with the legal profession directly.
Lets just look at this thread. I would bet that most of the posters are against scanning IDs for many reasons not just on principle and, I am sure that some have improper reasons for being against it but lets remember the principals that patriots have fought and died for one of them being the right to travel across our country unrestricted. Another is the right to assemble peacefully at a place of our choice.
By having a lawyer state unequivocally state that he would recommend that a client violate another persons rights being a smart move shows how far the pendulum has swung. Twenty years ago this would have never have come up in any normal conversation, no one would have even thought of something like this. Now out of fear or what ever else those that are supposed to be our advocates are advocating a position that is an anathema to our stated principles .
I believe that the lawmakers of our country are becoming more adversarial because that is the way they have been trained, there is an over emphasis placed on winning an argument, rather than compromising to forge a cooperative agreement and lawyers have outsized amounts of power in relation to their numbers in our system.
Yes society as a whole can be unreasonable but without enablers bleeding tremendous amounts of money from the litigants I believe would lead to many more reasonable solutions to the problems that we face in the course of every day business and life in general.
Ha! That's funny! :) :)
• in las vegas scanning is very common. in the LA area it has happened to me a couple of times. i remember it was deja vu coi. it was just after a raid.