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Guy plays every part of the Star Wars Theme on guitars..

100 comments

  • mikeya02
    9 years ago
    I should have mentioned that he played all 31 orchestra parts
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    What he needs is an old fashioned theatre organ. Then he could do much of it in real time, instead of by over dubbing.

    http://theatreorgans.com/index.html

    Unfortunately the modern digital midi keyboard equipment is not a good replacement for the old theater organs. Not yet anyway.

    SJG
  • JuiceBox69
    9 years ago
    Nice
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    See, this is one guy playing in real time:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2S72eaj…

    You can see that his is using the thumb piston presets to change which stops are set.

    The current types of digital keyboards are not well designed to take the place of theater organs, not yet.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    But because pipe organs, and most organs, use fixed tuning, symphonic music will sound quite dissonant when played on them:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho9rZjls…

    As opposed to if you let an orchestra play it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0nRPDfp…

    To learn more about tuning schemes and the ambiguities in musical notation, and other things not always presented correctly in musical instruction:
    http://www.amazon.com/Lies-My-Music-Teac…

    SJG
    https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    Star Wars theme, orchestra, more consonant.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rQSJDLM…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition, quite consonant
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXy50exH…

    ELP's largely keyboard fixed tuning adaptation, quite dissonant
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7NAGTq_…

    But in many places they are working around these fixed tuning limitations by making it more percussive and staccato.

    In perfect 12 tone temper tuning, each 1/2 step up is up by 12th root of 2.

    But with flexible tuning instruments the notation as never been taken to convey this. Rather, tuning is contextual.

    Ref the excellent:
    http://www.amazon.com/Lies-My-Music-Teac…

    With perfect temper tuning, the 5th is very close to a natural interval. But the 3rd and 4th are quite a ways off. Were it not for the near ideal 5th, temper tuning would likely not have been adopted. And then in say the Blues, the 3rd and 7th are being bent. So that genre developed because of the limits in temper tuning.

    Most keyboard music is written and arranged to evade and downplay these limitations. Comping, staccato, etc.

    And then with acoustic pianos it goes even further. As these have intermodulation through the sound board, you can't tune them perfect temper, or they will be unplayable. So they are tuned by heard 5ths and 4ths, and by octave stretching. It is a compromise, and I am sure that it works better in some keys than in others.

    SJG
    https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    Wersi, a company which going back to the 70's has been working to make modern organs, doing what the typical midi keyboards do not.

    http://wersimusic.com/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wersi

    https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sear…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    Wersi Organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nZenpQ4…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgZ_s-nq…

    I'm not seeing that they offer 32 pedal though, the accepted standard for classical and church organs. They only seem to have 25 pedal, as is common with theater organs. In my view, with as large as their consoles are, you might as well have 32 pedals.

    Wersi is doing real good. I think when they started back in the 1970's they also offered a kit version.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wersi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vytl2Jt5…

    Look at the big boxes. Those should be speaker cabinets, particularly for the pedal manual. This probably goes down to the 32' rank. This would be one C note lower than an 88 key piano. Just a bit above 16hz with 440hz A tuning.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    QUESTION:

    Assuming that for a rock band you will have drums, bass, and vocals.

    Then is it best to have:

    1. one guitarist ( Jimi Hendrix, Who, Led Zeppelin )
    2. two guitarists ( Beatles, Jefferson Airplane )
    3. one guitarist and one keyboardist ( Deep Purple, Santana, Steppenwolfe, Iron Butterfly, Doors, Genesis, Peter Frampton )
    4. two guitarists and one keyboardist ( Rolling Stones, Eric Clapton )

    I know that some of these groups have people play different things at some times, but I'm just relating what they usually do. And I know that Clapton often has two keyboard players, and that the Rolling Stones started without a regular keyboard player.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    Strauss - Also sprach Zarathustra
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf5snUSJ…

    Fanfare from Also Sprach Zarathustra for Organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLchhSUC…

    Zarathustra Odyssey in space on Organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmXHhjId…

    Also Spracht Zarathustra R Strauss - Virtual Organ in Pusztaszabolcs Hungary
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3_7S6GZ…

    cameron_carpenter & virtual pipe organ, organ tuning issues!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GTMtDYA…

    http://www.marshallandogletree.com/
    .
    SJG
    https://sites.google.com/site/sjgportal/…

    Emerson,Lake & Palmer live at the California Jam1974
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyTKmmcX…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Emer…
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic…

    Marshall and Ogletree, Rodgers, plus lots of other current and historical makers
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Copl…

    Fanfare For The Common Man
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NjssV8U…

    This fanfare was written on request from Eugene Goossens, conductor of the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra, in response to the US entry into the Second World War.

    AARON COPLAND: APPALACHIAN SPRING
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4E1JYP5…

    Emerson Lake and Palmer - Works: Vol 1 - Fanfare for the Common Man - full version
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hv5kAOW…

    SJG

    Rhapsody In Blue: Gershwin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynEOo28l…
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    Gustav Holst- The Planets

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isic2Z2e…

    Organ Version

    Peter Sykes " Mars, the Bringer of War" The Planets for Organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwZkAgGu…

    http://organarts.com/legacy01/stoplist.h…

    http://organarts.com/legacy01/gallery.ht…

    Need to be able to make on the fly digital organ tuning changes, contextual tuning, so it sounds more like orchestra!

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    Pipe organ aficionados always argue that the Hammond Tone Wheel Organs are all flute pipe sounds, not the others like diapason, strings, or reeds.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flue_pipe#…

    My own view is that tone wheel and draw bar organs are something of the past, and that you can do better with digital today. And also, the Hammonds were not that bad.

    So for a rock back with Drums and Bass, do you think it better to have two guitars or one guitar and a keyboard?

    My own view is that Hammond diapason sound is very much like an electric guitar overdriving a push pull and transformer coupled amplifier into soft even harmonic distortion. I think it sounds neat.

    And so then the organ and the guitar can well compliment each other, while at the same time being different enough to give greater versatility and be easily distinguished.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WukfC-6…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    9 years ago
    Organist Cameron Carpenter demonstrates the Marshall & Ogletree virtual pipe organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GTMtDYA…

    http://organpower.com/

    140 Crescent Road
    Needham, MA 02494

    (800) 525-5790 Toll Free
    (781) 444-5790 Main
    (781) 444-7077 Fax

    http://www.marshallandogletree.com/

    “More than dreamers, Ogletree and Marshall are revolutionaries in the erudite, passionate, and proudly obscure world of organ building. From their base in Needham, Mass., they have set out to build the finest, cost-is-no-object digital organs in the world — instruments to rival in grandeur the world’s leading pipe organs. And by many accounts have succeeded, brilliantly.”

    These guys offer the 128' octave ( C = 4.2hz ) using rotary speakers

    Cameron Carpenter on CBS 'Sunday Morning'
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ApgF2s…

    SJG

    Essential Teachings of Helena Blavatsky and Rudolph Steiner
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7z2Wrxg…

    Carl G. Jung and Rudolf Steiner
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks8VwzFT…

    Largest Driver
    http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/speaker…

    Rotary Woofer
    http://www.rotarywoofer.com/

    How it works
    http://www.rotarywoofer.com/howitworks.h…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_woo…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound

    http://www.iar-80.com/page142.html

    https://bassment.wordpress.com/

    128' organ pipe, real or imagined
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rmsORjN…

    128' electroinics
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEVd2vdW…

    Martin Digital Organs
    http://www.martindigitalorgans.com/

    http://comptonorgans.com/

    http://www.pykett.org.uk/electronic_orga…

    http://www.lawrencephelps.com/Documents/…
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXsYgHGK…

    Atlantic City Organ, 7 manuals!

    Top 4 are 61 keys, then 73 keys, then 2 of them 85 keys

    Awesome!
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Miles Davis & Chaka Khan: Human Nature (live in Montreux 1989)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ5E4Jo3…

    HERBIE HANCOCK & MILES DAVIS - WATERMELON MAN - LIVE +QTY
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Fp_0oj…

    Herbie Hancock - Jazz Fusion Cantelope Island
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrgP1u5Y…

    Duke Ellington - Satin Doll
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrytKuC3…

    ...And God Created Woman (1956) - Official Trailer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmqv88jW…

    Full Movie, English Subtitles, REALLY GOOD
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvIxUM_9…

    Brigitte Bardot - trailer Viva Maria - Anarchist protest song
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0l0d-Is…

    Georges Delerue - Viva Maria - L'Irlandaise
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_UGlKul…

    Satin Dolls - Dick Hyman at the Lowrey Organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHfj-_GR…

    Big Ben Bossa - Dick Hyman at the Lowrey Organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwqoXBaS…

    Mr. Roboto by Styx, performed on giant '70 Lowrey organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk7Jkr7F…

    Walter Hammel Plays "Alley Cat" On The Lowrey Prestige Organ With Wersi EX-1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGcrezPi…

    Mike Reed plays "Mack the Knife" on the Hammond Organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEdnV-JI…

    Mike Reed plays "House of the Rising Sun" on the Hammond Organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqOSowdU…

    Barbara Dennerlein on Hammond B3 Organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ut7yIu…

    Lori Graves playing Pirates Of The Caribbean on the Lowrey Organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9GSSApv…

    Dance Of The Sugar Plum Fairy Organ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwDn4stT…

    SJG
  • DoctorPhil
    8 years ago
    ^^^ hey you imbecile. don't go playing your autistic shit skulking back into your dark place. answer the fucking question:

    https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=4…

  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Markus Reuter @ Glaus Haus by Dutch Rall - 002
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXwoo2Gz…

    Ambient Music, 8 string touch guitar

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Markus Reuter Live In Innsbruck 2008
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHg4Iby9…

    Do you guys like ambient music, usually with no rhythm, harmony, key signature, or melody, but still something holds it together as music.

    Do you guys like alternative instrument forms and radicalized electronic instruments? How about alternative tuning schemes and scales?

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Star Wars

    Lori Graves playing Star Wars on the Lowrey Organ.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKDWi8Q4…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    She is partitioning manuals into multiple divisions. She does this of course with her drum fanfare, but she does it other places too.

    Such an organ can change everything you want, just by pressing one preset.

    This is part of how she does so much with only two manuals, whereas classical organist Cameron Carpenter seems to like to have 5.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    San Francisco
    http://www.calacademy.org/exhibits/morri…
    Morrison Planetarium, now all digital

    75 foot dome

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California…

    http://digitalplanetariums.com/

    Another big dome
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Soph…

    http://www.pbase.com/dosseman/istanbul_a…

    Hayden Planetarium, NYC
    http://www.amnh.org/our-research/hayden-…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Cente…

    At the heart of the Rose Center for Earth and Space is an 87-foot-diameter sphere that appears to float inside a glass cube. Its upper half constitutes the Hayden Planetarium, which opened in 2000 along with the Rose Center for Earth and Space. It remains an enduring beacon of astrophysical education, as was its predecessor, which opened in 1935.

    The 429-seat Space Theater, which features a custom-made Zeiss Mark IX Star Projector and a Digital Dome Projection System to display a hyperrealistic view of the planets, star clusters, nebulae, and galaxies, uses a scientifically accurate 3D map of the observable universe based on millions of astronomical observations. Known as the Digital Universe Atlas, this map of the cosmos is maintained by a team of Museum scientists and visualization experts in collaboration with colleagues from organizations such as NASA. The Digital Universe Atlas also provides the foundation for the Museum’s Space Shows, which are screened in the Space Theater.


    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Rainer Maria - Catastrophe
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yguu0NHq…

    Usually songs like this, with the pounding rhythm, are in the key of C. And just to my ear it sounds so, testing by singing little piano songs I am familiar with.

    Now I've never known why this is. I presume it is because of how the percussion is tuned. Musicians insist that it is not tuned to any specific pitch, but just until it sounds good. But just by listening to lots of music, you can see that it is tuned, just like tympani are tuned.

    So without something handy to compare it to, I look for sheet music and I find this guitar tab version.

    https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/r/raine…

    Now I find it very unlikely that they are playing these sharped cords as written, and fingering them as indicated in the roll overs. Even though guitar chords are clumsy on keyboards, one could still make the comparison and see which notes are in and out. To make keyboard music sound just like guitar music you do have to play it exactly the same way.

    And then the Bbm instead of Am.

    Most likely it is just C, F, G chords. And they have just tuned one semi-tone up from what ever they consider standards. All the more so as it is all guitar music.

    But there would be others here with better experience on which to appraise this.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Planetarium Equipment

    http://www.seilerinst.com/divisions/plan…
    3433 Tree Court Industrial Blvd | St. Louis, MO 63122 | 800-489-2282

    http://www.clarkplanetarium.org/distribu…

    http://www.spitzinc.com/
    700 Brandywine Drive
    Chadds Ford, PA 19317
    USA

    6 meter inflatable domes
    http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/6m…

    SJG

    Rosicrucianism
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZSRKNw-…
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Digital Planetarium Equipment

    http://digitalplanetariums.com/
    Via Zorutti 145/11 , 33030 - Campoformido (Udine) - Italy

    http://digital-planetarium.org/index
    Digitalis Education Solutions, Inc.
    817 Pacific Ave
    Bremerton, WA 98337
    USA

    http://www.skyskan.com/
    Sky-Skan, Inc.
    51 Lake Street
    Nashua, NH 03060
    United States

    http://www.es.com/
    770 Komas Drive
    Salt Lake City, UT 84108
    USA

    SJG

    Robin Trower, live, 2005
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmoMb0gN…
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Fear of the Dark (Iron Maiden) - Kirchenorgel & Schlagzeug (church organ & drums)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXuIY-cy…
    quite good!

    Fear Of The Dark - Iron Maiden (Official Video)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqEn3KLH…

    Lady Gaga - Poker Face - Church Organ Cover
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtzeowlb…

    Albinas 13 - Stairway to Heaven.mov
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Oy7wCrL…
    quite good!


    France in 1944: Occupation, Collaboration, Resistance, Liberation
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16pEhq2X…
    English subtitles

    Eye of Vichy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsymhLxm…
    full movie, English, look very interesting

    SJG

    Robin Trower, 1980 St. Louis
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnEbeanI…
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Arnold Schönberg: Pélleas und Melisande op.5 (1903)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2SvMeye…

    Do people like Arnold Schonberg? Do you think that because of the amount of dissonance which is already present in his music, that it would adapt well to the fixed tuning of keyboard instruments?

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Georges Delerue - Solitude
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4VeY4Wi…

    Does this music remind you of Erik Satie, even though this is not solo piano?

    Do you like it?

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    http://digital-planetarium.org/index

    http://digitalplanetariums.com/

    http://www.seilerinst.com/divisions/plan…
    San Jose's Rosicrucian Order, AMORC, has a small planetarium. It is what this company calls "Sky Theater". I would say its diameter is about 40'. All the people face mostly the same direction, and there is a step rise to the seating. So besides the dome, they also use it to show video material in just that front direction, even extending below the rim of the hemisphere.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Alban Berg Lulu Suite
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=025dWp9O…


    SJG

    Ariana Grande - Side To Side (Live from the 2016 MTV VMAs) ft. Nicki Minaj
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A42N4Iyg…

    Gnosis - Secrets of the Kabbalah
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppT8JK1l…
  • pensionking
    8 years ago
    I cannot, for the life of me, understand why somebody would retreat into their archives and bump this thread repeatedly since December 9, 2015

    This is masturbation.

    This is why people get so annoyed with SJG. While he may have something of value to say at times, this drivel is ignore-worthy. His ignoring the fact that he is conversing with himself for nearly a year suggests mild derangement, at the least.
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    No pensionking, your post is the masturbation.

    SJG
  • mikeya02
    8 years ago
    No SJG, your repeating yourself and talking to yourself via thousands of troll posts are signs of a mental condition. Is it "know it all-itis?"
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    No, mikeya02, that is what you are doing.

    SJG

    Sugar Plum Faries w/ Celeste
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow4t3C_g…
  • mikeya02
    8 years ago
    ^^^zero comprehension of himself. Doesn't own up
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    No, doesn't submit to herd logic, never has, never will.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Amy Winehouse - Love Is A Losing Game
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMO5Ko_7…

    http://cloud.freehandmusic.netdna-cdn.co…


    So we have a chord progression

    Fdim7
    Cmaj7
    G9
    Fm
    Cmaj7
    G9

    Though it probably ends on Cmaj7 and the note C

    So the dim chord is like playing B D F, its the monster chasing the girl, and in movies girls always run up staircases.

    So Fdim = F Ab B, and note that F B is the tritone. Though not all of the notes are diatonic ( in the scale ) the F B tritone should make listeners feel that this is to use the C maj scale.

    Fdim7 = F Ab B Eb, that is it should be a flatted 7th

    but in the RH part they write D F Ab B ???

    Cmaj7 = C E G B

    so they use that, plus some non-harmonic D. But this helps it get to G9

    G9 = G B D F A Notice since G is the Dominant, that the flatted 7th is still diatonic.

    Fm = F Ab C This should be softer than Fdim, as there is no tritone ( flatted 5th, 6 semitones step )

    But then this goes easily to Cmaj7, and then G9

    The only way to get a white note augmented 5th is E - C. And they get that when they make E the second cadence note, over Cmaj7, and C sounding in the LH part.

    And it does seem like it ends on C and Cmaj7.


    I knew a life long organ player who you could just hand sheet music too and he could sing it perfectly, including things which didn't seem to follow any harmony rules.

    He said, "So does it sound like ...?"

    And I was flabergasted and said, " ... y-e-s ..."

    He just chuckled and told me about a college class he was in where the instructor would just hand him music to sing, when he wanted the class to know what it sounded like.

    SJG

    PS according to this, Fdim7 has a double flatted E, = D.
    http://chord-c.com/guitar-chord/F/dimini…
    Don't know about this dim7.

    Also, I guess you can also get the white note Augmented 5th / Major 3rd in F - A and in G -B.
  • rockstar666
    8 years ago
    WTF?????? I like the Star Wars part, but I didn't expect a lesson in chord theory....anyone interested in diminished scales should listen to lots of Cheap Trick; Neilson has made a career out of them...the last bridge on Dream Police is a classic example of his minor 3rd writing style.
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    ^^^^^ Thanks!

    :)

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Rockstar, actually I had always noticed that Cheap Trick's music had an unusual sound. But I never thought about why that would be so. Remembering it now, yes it could be diminished chords.

    I never really cared for them though, as they struck me as posers. But I will try to examine some of their songs. Just by listening, I cannot at this point tell for sure what they are doing. It would have to be by trying to play along with them. Then I could figure it out. Otherwise it has to be by looking at written music, standard or guitar tabs.

    This really leaves me ROTFLMFAO. I did not fully appreciate it when it originally was airing.
    Those Were The Days / All in the Family
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d8FTPv9…

    http://s3.amazonaws.com/halleonard-pagep…

    SJG

    Eric Clapton - While my guitar gently weeps
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj4J6i_v…
  • mikeya02
    8 years ago
    I play blues mostly, but I wish I could play ragtime like this guy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGVShoAW…
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Indeed!

    SJG
  • mikeya02
    8 years ago
    Then there's this guy...Delta blues

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW0M2zEx…
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Yes.

    But with both these guys you posted videos for, I would have a very hard time figuring out what they are doing. Most I could do is try to pick out chords and figure out what key they are in. The rest of it I would not be able to follow in any way.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Now in contrast to the two songs mikeya02 posted, this is one I could figure out how to play along with. Having printed music would help, but even without that I could figure it out by trial and error.

    This song has a distinctive sound, and I could figure out why that is so. I know that the people who write and play such music have come to have an intuitive understanding of such things, whether or not they can give a technical explanation.

    Lenny Kravitz - Again
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW2qlKa6…

    https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/l/lenny…

    Well yes, Asus and F#m11 are going to give you something unusual. But to understand further I'd have to learn to play it myself, so that I could recognize what actually makes it different from other music.

    SJG
  • mikeya02
    8 years ago
    If you play guitar this might help you out.

    http://chordbook.com/guitar-chords/
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Red Hot Chili Peppers - Aeroplane [Official Music Video]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV8IAOoj…

    Red Hot Chili Peppers - Suck My Kiss
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6jElKMM…

    Yvette Young and Covet, notice the two handed stick guitar playing style she uses. Though not here she sometimes plays 7 string.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIyDGS6K…

    Here she has 7 strings
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8EtM2kVdCCA/Vi…

    http://activate.metroactive.com/2014/12/…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math_rock

    http://activate.metroactive.com/2017/01/…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvette_You…

    Covet - Sea Dragon
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72bSybRa…

    Yvette Young - Hydra [just guitar] played on Strandberg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s22dceat…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Modal Jazz Explained - Improvisation and Harmony
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb0EFwzX…

    Gmaj7 = G B D F#

    but G7 means the 7th is flatted.

    G7 = G B D F
    so it is not diatonic in G Maj

    Rather it is diatonic in C Maj, a fifth down. B - F is a tritone in C Maj, and C Maj is the only key it is diatonic for.

    So the G7 chord wants to resolve to a Cmaj7 chord.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorian_mod…, as they show this is flatted on the 3rd and 7th.

    http://musiced.about.com/od/beginnersthe…

    Dorian - Constructed from the second note of a major scale; follows the pattern W-H-W-W-W-H-W

    So this Dorian Scale on C
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorian_mod…

    is actually made out of the Bb scale, and we know the Bb scale has B and E flatted.

    To Be Continued:

    SJG

    Dark Ambient Music Mix
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpmAD4gc…

    Still can't get these videos to play:
    http://theinterrobang.com/youll-probably…
    Do they work for others?
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Joan Jett - Do You Wanna Touch Me (Oh Yeah) - 1984
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSqp-W1p…

    Usually these kinds of songs with such a pounding rhythm are in the Key of C.

    I don't have anything handy by which to confirm this by listening or playing along.

    Lets see what I can find online:
    http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/do-y…

    I am finding this as inconclusive. Most of the standard sheet music offerings cost money. It could be C, but it could be G. And then some of these online guitar tabs are strange. I think they are generated by using digital signal processing on the recording. They use uncommon chord roots, like F#. And probably this is because the DSP is done assuming one tuning, but the recording was made 1/2 step lower. So it is unrealistic because no one would use that method of playing it.

    To know, I think one would have to actually play along with them, and using their tuning.

    http://laschavelasbar.com/gallery/
    password: 28chavelas10

    Lots of hot girls. On TJAmigos they say that you know you are a zona afficiando when you are making daily grips to Las Chavelas or Bar Tropical for some tongue.

    more body paint
    http://laschavelasbar.com/events-1603.ph…

    Love Hurts
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhnZ19sb…
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Gustav Holtz, Planets, for organ
    https://youtu.be/CwZkAgGuNdU?list=PLMd0C…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Hol…

    http://www.petersykes.com/

    http://www.petersykes.com/index1.html

    http://ravencd.com/merchantmanager/index…

    https://ravencd.com/merchantmanager/prod…

    http://www.girardcollege.edu/page.cfm?p=…

    http://www.girardcollege.edu/uploaded/Ab…

    • The Chapel contains the fourth-largest pipe
    organ in the city (after Wannamaker, The
    University of Pennsylvania and The Kimmel
    Center), a 6,700-pipe Aeolian-Skinner organ.
    • The odd shape of Chapel roof is due to the fact
    that all the organ pipes are housed above the
    auditorium in the ceiling.

    http://aeolianskinner.organsociety.org/S…
    has 3x 32' ranks, but of course not a 64' rank.

    Pipes in the ceiling? Never heard of that before.

    " The organ chamber in the Girard College Chapel is certainly unique. Located in the ceiling at a height of 100' above the floor, the chamber is 60' feet long, 40' feet wide at one end and 22' at the other end, with a height inside the chamber of 40'. Because of the hard surfaces of the chamber and the room below, as well as the open grill permitting the sound to travel unhindered to the 2500-seat room below, the sound of the organ is tremendous. It is one of the most exciting organs in the country."

    https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9735994,…

    Between the Schuylkill and Delaware Rivers, and close to highway 95
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    World Party - Put the Message in the Box - original CD version
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9mtt-aM…

    What I had read once was that most popular music is characterized by a serious of harmony changes, the very subtle mode changes, and temporary key changes. And this does seem to be true.

    And I think that in the way it foregrounds rhythm and harmony, it makes it easier to play it without it all being completely written down. But this also seems to be why people like to listen to it. It is just so easy to follow.

    And then of these transitions, they each have their own distinctive sound, and that is my point in looking at this.

    So short of trying to play along with it, I have to look at what is written down.

    Hard to get complete sheet music online.

    But I find this, and it is written using the key signature for G, which is likely.

    http://www.musicnotes.com/images/product…

    Then I also find this:

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.sheetmusi…

    The most spicy thing in this is the use of the Bm chord for the start of the vocals. This is why I took note of the song.

    Then it could be in G or D, which would stand to reason. And then these guitar tabs I find to be very unreliable. But this one looks good, and it looks to be in G

    https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/w/world…

    So they say that "the most graceful transition in western music is tonic to subdominant". And I agree and it is often used and has a most pleasing sound. And there they are always doing that, G -> C.

    So then of this Bm, that is diatonic for G, starting on the 3rd, but that is also the augmented 5th.

    By listening and studying one's ear develops.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    ^^^^^ also uses Cadd9. Sometimes they say add2, but I believe add9 is technically correct. Now their can be inversions. It can be played C D E G.

    And this is the same as what is called Mu Major, or the Steely Dan Chord.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_chord

    Above uses this, along with C. And then as it is also along with G = G B D, it all sounds real nice.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    8 years ago
    Sammy Hagar - Standing Hampton
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIuDt0di…

    Look at the cover, do you like this type of art work? Typically it is a fully dressed man, usually in a suit, and usually of a retro style. Then there is a woman wearing little or nothing. But she is not nudist camp nude, she is dolled up, often in high heels and makeup.

    Of course some object to such images, usually only slightly altered from photographs. They see it as objectification. But I still like them. And I see the objectification as working both ways.

    Maybe the proto for these is Marcel Duchamp's Large Glass, Bride Stripped Bare By Her Bachelors.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Duc…
    1915 - 23

    About the lead track, usually these songs with a pounding beat are in the key of C. I think it has to do with how it sounds relative to the drum kit.

    But how does one tell? Well these songs have a feel to them. Beyond that, just by listening, the vocals are the best guide. But few people can really hear absolute pitch. I listen to this one though, and to me key of C seems likely.

    But better comparing to a keyboard instrument. You can play scales, as the tritone ( F - B for the C scale ) is unique. But other wise, playing the dominant, subdominant, and dominant triad will usually help. Then when you think you have got it, try the minor triad on the 2nd, 3rd, and 6th note in the scale. Dim triad on the 7th.

    But also, especially with rock music, try the dominant 7 chord. This means flatted for its own scale. So for C it would be G7 = G B D F. And so notice then that this is in the scale for C. But if you play C7 = C E G Bb, this is actually in the scale of F. So you could write it in the key signature of C, with accidentals, and have the melody revolve around C. But one could say that it really is in the Key of F Major, just Mixolydian, revolving around the dominant C.

    And then a great deal of blues inspired music uses lots of 7 chords and so it does not strictly stick to any diatonic scale. But most of it does revolve around a clear tonic note and still in some way follow and established scale.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Celine Dion
    Nature Boy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSQyzit5…

    This song always sounds so good. But I feel that it is the extended chord intervals in the melody. If you wanted to make instrumental music like this, would it work? My gut feeling is no, and that if you tried playing the vocal notes on something with fixed tuning that it would not sound nice at all. Just my gut feeling about it. Maybe others know.

    Here, I find this:
    http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net/pro…

    I study it some and try singing along with it. The Eb and Db, chromatic notes, have so much to do with how it sounds. Not sure now how it would sound with fixed tuning. Have to find something to try it with and compare it to the vocal version.

    LA Jazz Choir
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FztwMSB9…

    it has been led by Gerald Eskelin.

    Most interesting book:
    https://www.amazon.com/Lies-My-Music-Tea…

    Exposes the complete non-sense that most people are taught by music teachers, people who may play well themselves, but don't understand what they are teaching. Anyway, to get extended chords to "lock in", there has to be flexible tuning instead of fixed.

    Gerald Eskelin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgqR16ZJ…

    yes, this is good:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FztwMSB9…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net/pro…

    I suspect that you need to have some pitch bending on the Eb and the Db to make it sound right, not strictly temper tuned. I don't actually know this though. It would be pitch bend to get from temper tuned to natural intervals, probably not quit flatted by a full semi-tone. But I don't really have enough experience relating written music to what is heard, or on the theory side to relate natural intervals to scales.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Uses G major key signature, but I suspect it is intended to be heard as E minor. So using Eb and Db will change it a great deal.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Here, Coltrane plays it on his saxaphone:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIcedIyJ…

    http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net/pro…

    He's got lots of other notes in their, but I don't think he is dropping a full semi-tone. So if you played it on a keyboard, it would not sound right.

    I am sure there are others here who would know better than I.

    SJG
  • gammanu95
    7 years ago
    I read this thread before logging in, and that's why I have SJG on ignore.
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    ^^^^^^ No one is forcing you to read it gammanu95. Maybe you should consider that before posting.

    Here, listening to Celine Dion again, I say she is not dropping anything like a full semi-tone, to the Eb and Db. So basically it sounds interesting because it is minor mode, but also because it has these flex pitches. So maybe Coltrane can do a good job with his saxophone, but it you tried to play the vocal melody with a fixed tuning keyboard instrument it would not work very well.


    http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net/pro…

    Celine Dion
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSQyzit5…

    Coltrane
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIcedIyJ…

    Now notice that these Eb and Db are notated as being sung over G. and Edim chords

    G(dot) = G aug, I guess. = G B D#, by their guitar tab = D# G B G. Okay. Don't know how this would really sound if you played he guitar music. But that curious Eb, then is D#. But on the Eb they don't really drop down that far. Leaves it an unfinished quality.

    And Coltrane doesn't drop that far, if much at all. Not really playing what is written, playing just a small pitch bend down.

    Then the Edim = E G Bb where as E = E G# B What their Edim guitar tab sounds is E A# C# G So I don't know where the C# comes from, unless that is from the 7th note, D, being flatted. But this is played with the Db, or C# note.

    So if you really played the guitar cords with the vocals as sung or the saxophone as played, it would not quite reach down to that Eb and Db. So this is what makes it sound so curious. Could not really play it with fixed pitch.

    https://trainer.thetamusic.com/en/conten…

    Here, this is being done in the name of the composer
    Eden Ahbez - Nature Boy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_ahbez
    played on piano, somehow fudging some of the notes.

    Nat King Cole
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq0XJCJ1…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQerH4nR…
    not dropping anything like the written semi-tone.

    Cher, someone I dislike. Again, not dropping anything close to a full semi-tone
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwL7NNc…

    Eden Ahbez + Cole & Boone Live - Nature Boy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NaWYZI2…

    James Brown
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0-wTQUF…

    Marvin Gaye
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dijQ5B2p…

    George Benson
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSdUbrha…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Nature Boy Miles Davis, melody played on xylophone
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDS_nqHa…

    http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net/pro…

    Eden Ahbez | Eden's Island (The Music Of An Enchanted Isle) [1960, Full Album]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpJzCg-r…

    Very interesting PGC Maryland discussion of zoning and strip clubs
    http://princegeorgescountymd.granicus.co…

    and this:
    http://mncppc.iqm2.com/Citizens/SplitVie…

    http://jesusnorepublican.org/+Reasonable…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Eden Ahbez - Nature Boy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=339UrDjH…

    http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net/pro…

    At interest here are the Eb and Db on the twice used word 'far'.

    My point is that they are not really following the written pitch, and that the two notes in question are quite sharp. Where this would be a problem is if you tried to play the melody on a fixed pitch keyboard instrument. Using fixed pitch it would not sound good.

    So the first is being played over Em, which seems to be the tonic chord, = E G B, diotonic, then they drop from E to Eb.

    Second played over Em7, = E G B D, but then the written music drops to Db.

    Of course following Gerald Eskelin, this kind of stuff is fine. But this is just one of the more extreme common examples.

    Jon Hassel
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2COiOTn…

    He is much closer to E and D, than Eb and Db

    Lady Velvet
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv3t7NZ2…

    She not only is far from Eb and Db, they way she does it does not even sound very good.

    Celine Dion, the one I like.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSQyzit5…

    But only dropping about 1/2 of a semi-tone, as I would gauge it.

    Church of Satan
    http://www.churchofsatan.com/images/lave…

    London's Windmill Theater
    http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/Archive/Feb…

    http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/Archive/Feb…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Eden Ahbez 1908 - 1995
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_ahbez

    Used to live, camping underneath the first L in the Hollywood Sign, with his family.

    Lebensreform
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensrefo…

    Yes, this sounds like it was good, abstinence from alcohol and tobacco. But some of it also did become part of the Nazi Party. And this sort of thing, fascist and racial supremacy in back to nature movements, is still going on in Germany today. And this is there in the origins of FKK too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandervoge…

    ****************************************************
    She's A Lady
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReL9dmYD…

    http://s3.amazonaws.com/halleonard-pagep…

    Uses G Major Key Signature. As expected, uses pickup notes. In this piano adaptation, LH splits into two parts. Also as expected, at least for this first page, entirely diatonic.

    Well some of the singing is over Em, so it seems that they want it to be heard as minor mode.

    I think about it, how would I want to flaunt a beautiful girl? In front of who? Restaurant staff? Not getting any clear pictures of that.

    SJG

    Anton LaVey
    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2334835619…
    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/5207991443…
    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/2045620080…
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Nature Boy - Easy piano lesson (Part 1)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOQr534R…

    Okay, this guy plays literally what is written, and on a piano.

    So E -> Eb D-> Db. So I might have to re-evaluate some of the vocalists.

    But this guy makes big adjustments, more like his is accompanying a vocalist, rather than playing the melody.
    'Nature Boy' - jazz piano tutorial
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEaRubCl…

    Okay, these guys keep the melody on the guitar, and he doesn't play exactly as written
    Nature Boy - guitar & piano Jazz cover
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b35mIaGj…
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Again, about the two uses of the word 'far', in Nature Boy, and the chromatic notes:

    http://d29ci68ykuu27r.cloudfront.net/pro…

    Guy plays melody exactly as written on piano
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOQr534R…

    Celine Dion sings
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSQyzit5…

    So both times its 'very far', and the first time it is B -> E -> Eb

    Second time B -> D -> Db

    So going from B to E is 5 semitones, ie a 4th. That's those sus chords or the Whole Tone Scale. Such sounds unresolved. Droping down to Eb, though chromatic, is a major 3rd, and so it sounds resolved.

    Second time, going from B to D is 3 semitones, a minor third, and over a dim chord, probably with flatted 7th. Dropping down to Db, makes it two semitones, a second. Again, chromatic, but relative to a B scale it is the Leading Tone.

    So Dion is moslty skipping the E and D.

    I would like to be able to understand music by hearing and reading, so that playing never has to be mechanical.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    What Drives Trump Supporters?: Sociologist Arlie Russell Hochschild on Anger & Mourning of the Right

    https://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/28/w…


    In the tradition of C. Wright Mills, Hochschild continually tries to draw links between private troubles and social issues.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlie_Russ…



    https://www.amazon.com/Strangers-Their-O…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Glenn Campbell
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjzTNWWO…

    6 string basses
    http://www.guitarcenter.com/6-String-Ele…

    Ibanez 7 String Basses
    http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez/SRAS7…

    Fender Bass VI
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fender_Bas…

    Ibanez SRAS7, 7 strings, the lowest 3 are fret-less. Looks like they must be looser, by the tuning and their thicknesses. The lowest is 7A. I believe that would be the 32' octave's A, the lowest note on an 88 key piano, 27.5 hz.

    Sheet Music, page 1, written by Jimmy Webb

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Webb
    yes, think most people know him from MacArthur Park

    So written using the F major key signature, and seeming to revolve around F. But also making ample use of C cadence notes, that being the dominant.

    So the tritone would be between Bb and E. If you let people hear that, then they know what scale you are using.

    Not sure that this actually does this, it makes good use of Bb, but not E.

    So if it is in F, then the subdominant is Bb and the dominant is C.

    Looks like it kind of starts revolving around C, meaning it starts as Mixolydian. Very common.

    Then it does go to a B natural note.

    So kind of like going to C, but then it has F #, kind of like going to G.

    So then to consider Guitar Tabs, we will have diatonic major triads for the Key of F at F, Bb, and C, and then diatonic minor triads on G, A, and D, and then the dim triad on E.

    https://www.e-chords.com/chords/glen-cam…

    They say the key is Gm7. Don't know how that could be a key. Gm7 = G Bb D F, all consistent with F major.

    Oh well, it seems to make sense.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/media.sheetmusi…

    SJG

    Leonard P. Zakim Bunker Hill Memorial Bridge
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_P.…

    Use zoom outs and changing back to maps to see where this is:

    https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3686768,…
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    .The Art of Music Copying
    by Clinton Roemer

    1st ed 1973
    2nd ed 1985

    Roerick Music Co, Sherman Oaks Californa

    https://www.amazon.com/Art-Music-Copying…

    There are newer books about this subject, but if this one was handy I would certainly go thru it, make sure there was nothing I was ignorant of.

    I believe 12-tone systems makes music processing software.

    SJG

    King Crimson awesome and long play list
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHJ7An2C…


    35 years ago I used to listen to this album all the time. Today, after having listened to lots more music, this does not have that much of an appeal for me anymore.

    Apple Juice, Tom Scott
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oHyLtgu…
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    The Complete Idiot's Guide to Music Composition
    https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-G…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Above book is good, has lots of stuff. Might be most for people who want to write jingles. Not sure. But I've examined it enough to know that it is good.

    https://www.amazon.com/Jingles-Write-Pro…
    for radio advertising.

    Also this is real good:

    All three books:
    https://www.harrisonmusic.com/store/c14/…

    He has other books too.

    Lots of music theory books, they lead you to the right answers, but they do it more through adages than through actual understanding. But Mark Harrison's stuff is good.

    Also
    https://www.amazon.com/Lies-My-Music-Tea…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Harmony and Theory, by Keith Wyatt and Carl Schroeder
    https://www.amazon.com/Harmony-Theory-Co…

    Good, and published by Hal Leonard, like most such books now are.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    This looks good

    https://www.amazon.com/Music-Mathematics…

    Music and mathematics : from Pythagoras to fractals / edited by John Fauvel, Raymond Flood and Robin Wilson

    In libraries, but rather rare

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    This should be in the Key of D, and they seem to play the tonic note a great deal on the bass
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_YodiJ…

    Using the Key of D, I would say, is a signature feature of this group. They might be using the relative minor. But anyway, with a standard tuning 4 string bass, the lowest they have is D of the 8' octave. This is why the bass sounds kind of hollow.

    D, at least in rock music sounds etherial, one of the most distinctive of the commonly used keys ( A, E, G, C, D, and occasionally F )

    SJG

    Jeff Flake (R) AZ, not to run again!
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Uses G, F#m, A, E, Bm

    Seems to revolve around A, being thus in the Key of A. Likely for the type of song it is.

    A has F#, C#, G#.

    So using the G chord means it is Mixolydian, using the flat 7 chords

    So A triad: A C# E
    F#minor F# A C# diatonic in A
    G triad G B D requires the flatted 7th in A
    E triad E G# B diatonic in A, the dominant triad
    B minor B D F# Diatonic in A, used only in chorus, like a bridge

    So F#m is just a little diatonic variation on A, still uses the note A.

    Using G is okay, that G is the flatted 7th of A.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Actually quite straight forward, almost all diatonic except for the G, and that being the flat 7th of A.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    ^^^^^^^ Also, F# is the relative minor of A. So besides F#m being diatonic in A, using it in small amounts throughout just adds a bit of spice to it. They even end on that right after A.

    ( Would not want to be using F#M, especially on a keyboard instrument, not unless there were no other way. )

    I still think there is some special tuning to make this music sound East Indian. Though I don't know the details of it.

    This guy seems to have it figured out:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Cq3pbc…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    This performance has more white space:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QcTgPyI…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Yardbirds, Heart Full Of Soul
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ULMxxl…

    tabs
    https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/t/the_y…

    Used chords

    Dm
    G
    Bb
    D
    F
    G
    A

    It would seem that the tonic note is D

    And it is used in Dmajor, but more in Dminor. So D is the relative minor of F major.

    And F major has B flatted. So then all of the chords are diatonic in F major, with the one exception of when they are using the D major triad.

    Do for D, the 4th up, or subdominant is G, and they do use this some and it is the very gentle transition which you would expect.

    The Dominant or 5th up is A, and it is just used in the chorus, and it sounds how one would expect. The chorus is where they seem to change to D Major.

    They still use Bb in this. Seems to work. They don't try to be mixolydian by using C natural.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Songs of Work and Protest: 100 Favorite Songs of American Workers Complete with Music and Historical Notes (Dover Song Collections) Paperback – May 16, 2012
    by Edith Fowke (Author), Joe Glazer (Author)

    https://www.amazon.com/Songs-Work-Protes…

    and then also this:

    The American treasury of 1004 folk songs : a musical history in two volumes / compiled and edited by Isabel and Mary Allen Hood. ( 1977 )

    v. 1. 1700-1899. Yankee Doodle / S.T. Gordon -- Yankees (Return from camp) -- Pilgrim's legacy -- We gather together -- Spirit divine, attend our prayers / Andrew Reed ; Johann Cruger -- Mighty fortress is our God / Martin Luther ; Tr. Frederick H. Hedge -- Old hundredth / William Kethe ; Louis Bourgeois -- All praise to Thee, my God, this night / Thomas Kent ; Thomas Tallis -- God moves in a mysterious way / William Cowper -- Be with me, Lord, where'er I go / William Gardiner ; John Cennick -- Who is the man? / Henry Ainsworth -- Chester / William Billings -- Sir Peter Parker -- Massachusetts song of Liberty -- Yankee doodle -- World turned upside down -- Liberty song / William Boyce -- Bunker Hill / Nathaniel Niles ; Andrew Law -- Adams and Liberty / Robert Treat Paine -- Columbia / Dr. Dwight -- I die with pleasure (General Wolfe) -- Battle of Trenton / Alla Marcia -- God save Great Washington -- Johnny has gone for a soldier -- Capture of Burgoyne -- American Star / John McCreery ; D.C Hewitt -- Mulligan Guard / David Braham ; Edward Harrigan -- Yankee ship and a Yankee crew / C.M. King -- Jefferson and Liberty / Robert Treat Payne -- Toast (to General Washington) / Francis Hopkinson -- Revolutionary Tea -- Surrender of Lord Cornwallis -- Rolling home -- Blow, Boys, Blow -- Hail Columbia / Joseph Hopkinson ; Philip Phile -- Trooper and the maid -- Boys keep your powder dry -- Sword of Bunker Hill ; W.R. Wallace ; B. Covert -- Gilr I left behind me -- How happy the soldier / William Shield -- Praties, they grow small -- Quaker's courtship -- Poor Rosy -- Blow your trumpet Gabriel -- Bell Da Ring -- Little Mohee -- Sioux Indians -- I've got no use for women -- Blow the cabdles out -- Nobody / Alex Rogers ; Bert A. Williams -- Musical society -- Blow, ye winds, Westerly -- Haul away, Joe -- Where the river Shannon flows / James I. Russell -- When the Robins nest again / Frank Howard -- Yankees girls -- Hail to the Chief / Sir Walter Scott ; James Sanderson -- Shall I die? -- No more rain fall for wet you -- Shout on children -- Maid freed from the gallows -- Pretty Saro -- Wrap the Flag around me, boys / R. Stewart Taylor -- Star Spangled Banner / Francis Scott Key -- Where is my wandering boy tonight? / Rev. R. Lowry -- Alknomook (Morality) / James Hewitt ; Ann Julia Hatton -- When a woman hears the sound of the drum and fife / William Dunlap ; Victor Pelissier -- Tying a knot in the devil's tail -- Green Mountain boys / Ernie Sheldon -- Who's that coming? -- Dance to your Daddy -- Texas Ranger -- Railroader for me -- Lovely Ohio -- He's gone away -- New stranger's blues -- What a trying time -- Wrastl' on Jacob -- Uh, Uh, No -- Johnny Vorbeck -- Lay this body down -- Lonesome valley -- Bad girl -- I'm bound for the Promised Land -- There was a man and he was mad -- Michael Finnegan -- Soldier, soldier, won't you marry me -- Hard times, come again no more -- Many thousands gone -- Lord. remember me -- Darlin' -- Dangerous woman -- Have you seen but a white lily grow -- Jay Gould's daughter -- Buffalo gals -- Canadian boat song -- Alouette -- Set down, servant -- Stealin', stealin' -- Nine men slept in a boarding house bed -- Logger lover -- Six questions -- Starvin' on a government claim -- Brown eyes -- Old maid -- In mansions above -- Good-Bye, brother -- Tell my Jesus, mornin' -- Trouble of the world -- Shanty man's life -- Red iron ore -- When the work's all done this fall -- Take your fingers off it -- Unfortunate Miss Bailey -- Old Gospel ship -- Oh, sinner man -- I can't stay behind -- I hear from Heaven today -- Jam on Gerry's rock -- Lousy miner -- Lily of the West -- Dreary, dreary life -- Doney gal -- Kilgary Mountain -- Blind Fiddler -- Praise member -- Resurrection Morn -- Tom Cat blues -- Ten thousand cattle -- Free little bird -- George Collins -- Billy the Kid -- Putting on the style -- Good morning Mister Railroad man -- Hunters of Kentucky / Samuel Woodworth ; George Colman -- Verses for the Fourth of July / Mrs. Geo. K. Jackson ; Geo. K. Jackson -- Nothing like Grog / Charles Dibdin -- Washing Day -- Monkey's wedding -- Woodman, spare this tree / George Pope Morris ; Henry Russell -- My long tail blue / George Washington Dixon -- Happy journey -- Bonja song / R.C. Dallas -- Ode for the new year / William Selby -- Come, come, ye Saints / William Clayton -- My grandma's advice / "M" -- Old colony times -- Come now all ye social pow'rs -- My days have been so wondrous free / Francis Hopkinson -- Young folks at home / Miss Hattie Livingston ; Frank Spencer -- Gypsy Rover -- Old Rosin, the Beau -- Little wheel a-turnin' in my heart -- Greensleeves --
    A-roving -- Ash grove -- Auld Lang Syne -- Aupres de ma blonde -- Annie Laurie -- Afton Water -- Black is the color of my true love's hair -- Bailiff's daughter of Islington -- Blow the wind Southerly -- Bobby Shaftoe -- Blue Bells of Scotland -- Barb'ra Allen -- Blind boy -- Blow away the morning dew -- Bonny Mary of Argyle -- Bonnets of Bonny Dundee -- Batany Bay -- Brennan on the Moor -- British Grenadiers -- Broom green broom -- Blow the man down -- Campbells are comin' -- Can Ye sew cushions? -- Cherry ripe -- Cherry tree carol -- Click go the Shears -- Cock of the North -- Cockles and mussels -- Come all ye fair and tender ladies -- Come back to Erin -- Come, landlord fill the flowing bowl -- Comin' thro the rye -- Constant lover -- Caller Herrin' -- Dark eyes -- Die Lorelei -- Dashing White Sergeant -- Dear charming beauty -- Dejected lass -- Dear little shamrock -- Drill ye Tarriers, drill -- Deil's awa wi' th' Exciseman -- Four Marys -- Fine old English Gentleman -- Fire down below -- Flanagan -- Florimel -- Fox -- For he's a jolly good fellow -- Foggy foggy dew -- Green grow the lilacs -- Frere Jacques -- Frog he would a-wooing go -- Gaudeamus Igitur -- Gypsy's warning -- Happy clown -- Happy Miller -- Hares of the mountain -- High Germany -- Harp that once through Tara's Halls -- House Carpenter -- Havah Nagilah -- Henry Martin -- Here's a health to all good lasses -- Hunting the hare -- Ho Ro my nut brown maiden -- Irish emigrant -- Irish washer woman -- I love you truly -- I'm a man of constant sorrow -- I married a wife -- I'm a man of constant sorrow -- I'll take you home again, Kathleen -- Jovial beggar -- Jack was every inch a sailor -- John Peel -- John Riley -- Keel row -- Killarney -- King and the miller -- Kum Ba Ya -- Lass from the low country -- Lass of Richmond Hill -- Lass with the delicate air -- Last rose of summer -- La Vidalita -- Laird of cockpen -- Lavender's blue -- Let him go, let him tarry -- Loch Lomond -- London waits -- Londonderry air -- Long long ago -- Mary-Anne -- Matty Groves -- Ministrel boy -- Mistletoe bough -- My Bonnie -- Maid and the mill -- Men of Harlech -- Mermaid -- Nancy Lee -- Napoleon -- Now is the month of Maying -- Oh dear what can the matter be? -- O sole mio -- O rare Turpin -- Ode to joy -- Plaisir d'amour -- Poacher -- Request to the Nightingale -- Rumsty-O -- Robin Adair -- Rose of Tralee -- Saint Patrick was a gentleman -- Silkie -- Silver dagger -- Sir Eglamore -- Sur le Pont d'Avignon -- Skye boat song -- To all you ladies now on land -- Tom Bowling -- Unquiet grave -- Upidee -- Vicar of Bray -- Vive la Compagnie -- Volga boatman -- Villikins and his Dinah -- Wearing of the green -- What shall we do with the drunken sailor -- We be three poor mariners -- Who's gonna shoe your pretty little foot? -- Where are you going to, my pretty maid? -- Cindy -- Acres of clams -- Angel rolled the stone away -- All my trials -- All through the night -- Aunt Dinah's quilting party -- Aunt Rhody -- Big Rock Candy Mountain -- Billy boy -- Black Eyed Susie -- Blue tail fly -- Blow, ye winds -- Bay of Biscay -- Banks of the Ohio -- Boll weevil song -- Calen O custore me -- California stage -- Careless love -- Charlie is my darlin' -- Cape Cod girls -- Capital ship -- Christians awake! -- Cielito Lindo -- Corinna -- Crawdad song -- Cripple Creek -- Cruel war -- Clementine -- Down by the Riverside -- Didn't my Lord deliver Daniel -- Down in the valley -- Dry bones -- Deep river -- Dumbarton's drums -- Early one morning -- Erie Canal -- Every time I feel the spirit -- Fare Thee well -- Frankie and Johnny -- Grandfather's clock -- Goin' down the road -- Give me that old time religion -- Go down Moses -- Golden slumbers -- Hail! Hail! The gang's all here -- Hangtown gals -- He's got the whole world in his hands -- Home sweet home -- I'm going home -- Home on the range -- Hush Little Baby -- I gave my love a cherry -- I got a robe -- I never will marry -- In cellar cool -- I ride an old paint -- I am a poor wayfaring stranger -- Jeanie with the light brown hair -- Juanita -- Jesse James -- John Hardy -- John Henry -- Joe Bowers -- Joshua fit the Battle of Jericho -- Just a-wearyin' for you -- La Bamba -- La Cucaracha -- Kathleen Mavourneen -- Listen to the lambs -- Little Annie Rooney -- L'il Liza Jane -- Lilliburlero -- Little Bitty Baby -- Little brown jug -- Life on the ocean wave -- Lord's my shepherd -- Lorena -- Lovely creature -- Love's old sweet song -- My gal Sal -- Mama don't 'low -- Malaguena Salerosa -- Man on the flying trapeze -- Man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo --
    Man who has plenty of good peanuts -- Mango walk -- Michael, row the boat ashore -- Mocking bird song -- My love is like a red red rose -- My old dog tray -- Nelly Bly -- My old Kentucky home -- Nobody knows the trouble I've seen -- None but the lonely heart -- O bury me not -- Old Dan Tucker -- Old Joe Clark -- Old John Braddleum -- Oh where Oh where is my little dog gone -- Ol' Texas -- Old blue -- Oh I know the Lord's laid his hands on me -- Oh Susanna -- Old folks at home (Swanee River) -- Old grey mare -- Old MacDonald had a farm -- Old oaken bucket -- Old rustic bridge by the mill -- On top of Old Smokey -- On the banks of the Wabash -- Old settler's song -- Old ship of Zion. On Ilkla Moor Bhat Hat -- On the banks of the Sacramento -- On the banks of Allan Water -- Once I had a sweetheart -- Once I went swimming -- One meat ball -- One more day -- One more river to cross -- Onward Christian soldiers -- Opossum -- Over the river and thro' the woods -- Over the waves / J. Rosas -- Paddle your own canoe -- Paper of pins -- Peacefully slumbering on the ocean -- Pick a bale of cotton -- Poem -- Polly put the kettle on -- Polly Wolly Doodle -- Railroad Bill -- Rambling gambler -- Red River Valley -- Rich bank thieves -- Round the Bay of Mexico -- Rio Grande -- Rock Island line -- Rock-a-my-soul -- Sacramento gals -- Sailing at high tide -- Sally in our alley --Santa Lucia -- Sarie Marais -- She'll be comin' round the mountain -- Shenandoah -- Short rations -- Sloop John B. -- Snowy breasted pearl -- Somebody's knocking at your door -- Sometimes I feel like a motherless child -- Spanish guitar -- Sourwood Mountain -- Springfield Mountain -- Standing in the need of pray'r -- Steal away -- Stewball -- Skip to my Lou -- Streets of Laredo -- Sucking cider through a straw -- Short'nin' bread -- Simon the Cellarer -- Take this hammer -- Ta-Ra-Ra-Boom-Der-E -- Ten little kiddies -- That's where my money goes -- There is a tavern in the town -- They're laying eggs now -- This old man -- Three blind mice -- Tom Dooley -- Turkey in the straw -- Twelve gates to the city -- Two guitars -- Wabash cannonball -- Waltzing Matilda -- Wanderin' -- Water is wide -- When Johnny comes marching home -- Were you there? -- Wing wong waddle -- When you and I were young Maggie -- Who's that a-callin'? -- Adios, farewell -- All the pretty little horses -- Animal fair -- Almost over -- America / Rev. Samuel F. Smith -- As I roved out -- All things bright and beautiful -- Ah! May the red rose live always / Stephen C. Foster -- At the foot of Yonder Mountain -- Blooming bright star of Belle Isle -- Adam -- Battle of New Orleans / J. Driftwood -- Backwater blues -- Boston burglar -- Believe me, if all those endearing young charms -- Blood on the saddle -- Beware, Oh take care -- Boothbay Whale -- Big corral -- Bullgine run -- Bigler -- Blue Mountain Lake -- Bold fisherman -- Bohemia Hall -- Bold soldier -- Bury me beneath the willow -- Brady -- Broke and hungry -- Brown-eyed Lee -- Buffalo skinner I -- Bulldog and the bullfrog -- Brisk young bachelor -- Cold water -- Chivalrous shark -- Barnie Buntline -- Butcher boy -- Cowboy's life -- Captain Jinks -- Come O my love -- Captain Kidd -- Cod-liver oil -- Chasin' women -- Consolation / Isaac Watts -- Chain gang blues -- Cumberland gap -- Charles Guiteau -- Cowboy lullaby -- Cole Younger -- Colorado Trail -- Come all you young companions -- Cowboy's lament -- Darling Nellie Gray -- Dark as the dungeon -- Drink ye of mother's wine -- Deep sea blues -- Dear Little Susie -- Dame, get up and bake your pies -- Devilish Mary -- Don't cry lady -- Delia -- Down by the Sally Gardens -- Down in the Willow Garden -- Dreary Black Hills -- East Colorado blues -- Dink's song -- Ezekiel saw de wheel -- El-A-Noy -- For Kansas -- Friendship / B. Bidwell -- Faith of Our Fathers -- Father, put the cow out -- Fairest Lord Jesus -- Father's Whiskers -- Fuller and warren -- Felix, the soldier -- Fireship -- Filimiooriooriay -- Fod -- God save America -- Got them blues -- Gently Johnny my Jingalo -- Greenland whale fisheries -- Go away from my window -- Gypsy Davy -- Grizzly bear -- Hurree Hurroo -- Hail, Thou once despised Jesus -- Haul on the bowline -- Hello girls -- Hudson River steamboat -- Henrietta / W.G. Knight -- Horse named Bill -- Henry my son -- Hunting horn -- Ho-La-Hi! Ho-La-Ho! -- It was a lover and his lass -- Housewife's lament -- Innocent sounds / Jeremiah Ingalls -- It ain't gonna rain no mo' -- I don't want to get adjusted -- Jane, Jane -- Jenny Jenkins -- John Hielandman -- Jesus loves me / Bradbury -- Johnny, I hardly knew you --
    Katy cruel -- King alcohol -- Jim Crow -- Kangoro -- Kansas land -- Let her sleep under the bar -- Keeper would a-hunting go -- Kingdom coming / Henry Clay Work -- Little Eva / John G. Whittier -- Manuel Emilio -- Genny Glenn / Nick Reynolds ; Bob Shane ; John Stewart -- Last request -- Life is like a mountain railroad -- Let's sing of stage coaches / George Farquhar ; John Eccles -- Lonesome cowboy -- Let the sun shine forever -- Let us break bread together -- Lilly Dale / H.S. Thompson -- Lonesome valley -- Listen to the mocking-bird / Alice Hawthorne -- Lord bless you and keep you / Peter C. Lutkin -- Leatherwing bat -- Love is pleasing -- Long John -- Little Joe the wrangler -- Little Old Sod shanty on my claim -- My name is Yon Yonson -- Louisville burglar -- Mac Pherson's farewell -- Maid on the shore -- Mama, have you heard the news? -- My mother's old red shawl -- Mountains of mourne -- Man without a woman -- Marie! Marie! / Edwardo Di Capua ; Kermit Lyons -- Midnight special -- Mighty day -- Miss Wrinkle -- Morning hymn / T. Tallis -- Miner's farewell -- Nothing else to do -- My love is a rider -- Never no more hard times blues -- Next market day -- Old Thompson's mule / Thos. P. Westendorf -- Oh how he lied -- On Springfield Mountain -- Old brass wagon -- Open Thy lattice, love / Stephen C. Foster -- Otto wood -- Out in the great Northwest -- Poor boy -- Peg and Awl -- Old Hannah -- Pretty girl milking her cow -- Poor Laz'us -- Prettiest little baby in the country-O -- Put me in my little bed / Dexter Smith ; C.A. White -- Poor Ellen Smith -- Pay day at Coal Creek -- Prisoner for life -- Pretty Polly -- Run the ridges -- Quartermaster store -- Personal friend of mine -- Ride on, Moses -- Rattin family -- River in the Pines -- Run, Mary, run -- Roll, Nancy Gal, roll! / Arnold Freed -- Reuben's train -- Shady grove -- Sally Brown -- Samuel Hall -- Sam Bass -- Skillet good and greasy -- Sowing on the mountain -- Sweet by and by / S. Fillmore Bennett ; J.P. Webster -- Scarborough Fair -- Spanish is the lovin' tongue -- Stir the pudding -- Sing Ivy -- Song of a thousand years / Henry C. Work -- Summer / Daniel Belknap -- State of Arkansas -- Strawberry Lane -- Sow got the measles -- Texian -- Sweet Betsy from Pike -- Trail to Mexico -- Tell Old Bill -- Turtle dove -- That stawberry roan -- Utah Carroll -- Tailor and the mouse -- Vicksburg blues -- There was an old woman and she had a little pig -- Weeping, sad and lonely / Chas C. Sawyer ; Henry Tucker -- Watcher sailor -- Walk in Jerusalem just like John -- Willie my brave -- Will you go Lassie, go? -- Where shall I be? -- Wartime blues -- Wildwood flower -- Wee Cooper O' Fife -- Willie hasgone to the war -- When you go a-courtin' -- Will you love me in December / James J. Walker ; Ermest R. Ball -- William Taylor -- Yuazuray -- We're coming, Arkansas -- Yonder comes the high sheriff -- Whiskey Johnny -- Yo Dee OhDee Oh -- Zebra dun -- You go to Old Harry! -- You've been a good old wagon / Harney and Biller -- Faded coat of blue / J.H. McNaughton -- Alabama / F.W. Rosier ; E. King -- All over this world -- All night long -- All quiet along the Potomac / J. Dayton ; Ethel C. Beers -- Ain't gonna grieve My Lord no more -- American Hymn / Matthias Keller -- Angel Gabriel -- Break the news to mother / Charles K. Harris -- Alberta -- Battle on Shiloh's Hill -- Big sun flower / Billy Emerson -- Birmingham Bull -- Bowling green -- Beans, bacon and gravy -- Blue and the Gray / Paul Dresser -- Bald Knight -- Caisson song -- Camptown races -- Climb up, you children / B. Hansen -- Cape Ann -- Cumberland Mountain Deer chase -- C.C Rider -- Dodger song -- Cowboy -- Don't you weep after me -- Cruel youth -- Do they miss me at home? / Caroline A. Mason ; S.M. Grannis -- Depression blues -- Down among the cane brakes / Stephen Foster -- Dying volunteer / A.E.A. Muse -- Down and out -- Free at last / Jay Arnold -- Ee-Lee-Ay-Lee-Oh -- Engine 143 -- Ellen Bayne / Stephen Foster -- Didn't he ramble -- Fireman's band -- Equinoxial and Phoebe -- Factory girl -- Farmer is the man -- Foolish questions -- Gal that got stuck on everything she saw -- Gilgarra mountain -- Girls at home / Henry C. Work -- Glorious beer -- Go tell it on the mountain -- Goin' down to town -- Good old rebel soldier -- Goin' across the mountain -- Gretchen Pumpernickle -- Hand me down my walkin' cane -- Hambone Am good -- Hold on -- Harmonious blacksmith / George Frederick Handel -- Hard trials -- Hard, ain't it hard -- Here's to good old beer -- Horses run around -- How old are you my pretty little Miss -- Would not die in springtime -- Battle Hymn of the Rpublic / Julia Ward Howe ; William Steffe -- We'll conquer or die / J.J. Clarke -- Dixie / Daniel Decatur Emmett -- Tramp, Tramp, Tramp / George F. Root -- Tenting on the Old Camp Ground / Walter Kittredge -- Just before the battle, Mother/ George F. Root -- Lincoln and Liberty -- Brother, tell me of the battle / Thomas Manahan ; George F. Root -- Battle Cry of Freedom / George F. Root -- Lincoln funeral march / BVT. Major General J.C. Barnard -- Aura Lee / W.W. Fosdick ; George R. Poulton -- Rally round the flag / William B. Bradbury -- I need thee every hour / Annie S. Hawks ; Robert Lowry -- I know where I'm goin' -- I will be true to thee -- I love thee / Edvard Grieg -- I wish I was single again -- John Brown's Body / Charles S. Hall ; William Steffe -- Keeper of the Eddystone Light -- Just after the battle / George F. Root -- Kiss me quick and go / F. Buckley -- Keep your lamp trimmed and burning -- Laura Lee / Stephen Foster -- Kentucky Moonshiner -- Kentucky Bootlegger -- Lord, I want to be a Christian -- Little Jenny Dow -- Lolly-Too-Dum -- Lonesome road -- Long time ago -- Lord, blow the moon out -- Lauterbach maiden -- My Good Old Man -- Marching along / William B. Bradbury -- Marching through Georgia / Henry C. Work -- Maryland, my Maryland / James R. Randall -- Mill Mother's lament -- Miner's doom. No night there / John R. Clements ; H.P. Danks -- My hopes have departed forever -- Mr. and Mrs. Brown -- My Brudder gum / Stephen Foster -- Old time religion -- Near the lake / George Pope Morris ; Charles Edward Horn -- New river train -- No hiding place -- My task / Maude Louise Ray ; E.L. Ashford -- Nine pound hammer -- Old Black Joe / Stephen C. Foster -- Oh Lord, remember me -- Oh, Mary, don't you weep -- Oh, them golden slippers -- Other side of Jordan -- Old Abe Lincoln -- Omie wise -- Our bright summer days are gone -- Once I loved thee, Mary dear / Stephen Foster -- O Freedom -- On silver waters -- Pig and the inebriate -- Poor Mary Jane / B. Hansen ; J. Brimhall -- Poor Howard -- Poor man's Heaven -- Roll out! Oh, heave that cotton / Will Hays -- Roll, Alabama, roll -- Red apple juice -- Swapping song -- Rich man and the poor man -- Swing low, sweet chariot -- Sailing, sailing -- Silver dollar -- Soldier and the sailor -- Steamboat's a-comin' / Arnold Freed -- St. James infirmary -- Sweet Eveline -- Sven -- Sing a song of cities -- Some folks / Stephen Foster -- Sweetly she sleeps, my Alice Fair / Stephen C. Foster -- Song for Liberty / John Stewart -- Torpedo and the whale -- Sweet and low -- Sailing in the boat --
    This wicked race -- That's what's the matter -- This train is bound for Glory -- Three fishermen -- There was an old soldier -- There's plenty of gold / John and Mike Stewart -- Three ravens / B. Hansen -- Throw it out the window -- Truth in absence / Edmund B. Harper ; H. Brandeth -- Uncle Sam's farm / Jesse Hutchinson -- Vine and fig tree -- Virginia's bloody soil -- Village maiden -- Washington and Lincoln / Henry C. Work -- Why have my loved ones gone? -- Widdicombe Fair -- Wayworn traveler / George Colman, Jr. ; Samuel Arnold -- When Pa -- Where O where is Old Elijah? -- We are coming Father Abraam, 300,00 more -- We shall walk through the valley -- Windham / Isaac Watts ; Daniel Read -- White sails / B. Hansen ; J. Brimhall -- Who will care for Mother now / Chas C. Sawyer -- Willie we have missed you -- Witchcraft -- Workin' on the railroad -- Wilt thou be gone, love? -- Work of the weavers -- Weave-room blues -- Yellow rose of Texas -- Wake Nicodemus / Henry C. Work -- Glendy burk / Stephen C. Foster -- Ol' Ark's a-moverin' -- Oh! Lemuel / Stephen C. Foster -- Raiders -- Ring, ring de banjo -- Ride my little pony -- Morning trumpet (white) / John Leland -- I'll hear the trumpet sound (black) -- Come home, Father / Henry Clay Work -- Drummer boy of Shiloh / Will S. Hays -- Old Uncle Ned -- Rich gal, po' gal -- Amazing grace -- Are you wandering? / Helen Sawyer -- As you walk with them / Helen Sawyer -- Behold the Lord High Executioner / W.S. Gilbert ; Sir Arthur Sullivan -- Ball goes 'round / Lord Thaddeus -- Bringing in the sheaves -- Boundaries of God / Helen Sawyer -- By and by -- Charming young widow I met on the train -- Choo Choo Choo / Lord Thaddeus ; Duke Bryant -- Come, follow me / Helen Sawyer -- Discovering Christ is all / Helen Sawyer -- Darkies 'Sunday school -- Dese bones gwine rise again -- Dah boatman / Lord Thaddeus -- 'Des hold my hand tonight / Carrie Jacobs-Bond -- Gentle Annie / Stephen Foster -- Hand of God / Carl Anderson ; Marian Rawles -- Hill and Gully rider / Lord Thaddeus -- I'm called Little Buttercup / Gilbert and Sullivan -- I put my trust in thee, Lord / Helen Sawyer ; Carl Anderson -- I am the Monarch of the sea / W.S. Gilbert ; Sir Arthur Sullivan -- Jesus is the only way / Helen Sawyer -- It's nobody bus'ness / Lord Thaddeus -- Joy bells ring / Helen Sawyer -- Let me fly -- Jonah / Carl Anderson ; Marian Rawles -- Little Moses -- Lead me, Oh lead me / Helen Sawyer -- Look in, look up, look around / Helen Sawyer -- Model of a modern Major General / Sir Arthur Sullivan ; W.S. Gilbert -- My little dog has gone / Lord Thaddeus ; Duke Bryant -- Mama Gimme / Lord Thaddeus ; Duke Bryant -- Matilda / Lord Thaddeus -- Monkey see, monkey do / Lord Thaddeus ; Duke Bryant -- No time to waste / Helen Sawyer -- Praise and thanks / Helen Sawyer -- Massa's in de cold ground / Stephen Foster -- Oh! Boys, carry me 'long / Stephen Foster -- On that great getting up morning -- Oh, The Heaven is shining -- Ring them bells -- Ready when the great day comes -- Simple gifts -- Roll, Jordan, roll -- Rise and shine -- Singing for Jesus / Helen Sawyer -- That's all right -- Soldier boy -- Tit-willow / Sir Arthur Sullivan -- Three little maids from school / W.S. Gilbert ; Sir Arthur Sullivan -- We are soldiers in the Army -- Sweet, the evening air of May -- Wade in the water -- Wand'ring Minstrel / W.S. Gilbert ; Sir Arthur Sullivan -- When the chapel is empty / Helen Sawyer ; Carl Anderson -- What'cha doin', Joe! / Lord Thaddeus ; Duke Bryant -- When I was a lad / Sir Arthur Sullivan ; W.S. Gilbert -- Abraham's daughter / Septimus Winner -- Ain't gwine study war no more -- Ah, Mari! / B. Hansen -- Belle of Baltimore -- Asleep in the deep / H.W. Petrie ; Arthur J. Lamb -- Band played on / John F. Palmer ; Charles B. Ward -- Ben Bolt / J. Kneass -- Beautiful Isle of somewhere / Jessie Brown Pounds ; John S. Fearis -- Beautiful brown eyes -- Bird on Nellie's hat / Arthur J. Lamb ; Alfred Solman -- Carry me back to Virginny / James Bland -- Cat came back / Harry S. Miller -- Comrades / Felix McGlennon -- Coax me / Andrew Sterling ; Harry Von Tilzer -- Can't you dance the Polka? -- Cheyenne / Egbert Van Alstyne ; Harry Williams -- Down went McGinty / Joseph Flynn -- Dreaming / L.W. Heiser ; J. Anton Dailey -- Emmet's lullaby / J.K. Emmet -- Everybody works but Father / Jean Havez -- Forgotten / Flora Wulschner ; Eugene Cowles -- Forty five minutes from Broadway / Geo M. Cohan -- Goodnight, Ladies -- Goodbye, my lady love / Jos. E. Howard -- Great American bum -- Goin' to Germany -- Hieland laddie -- I'm certainly living a ragtime life -- House of the rising sun -- Her eyes don't shine like diamonds / Dave Marion -- Hot time in the Old Town tonight / Joe Hayden ; Theo. A. Metz -- Hearts and flowers / Mary D. Brine ; Theo. Moses-Tobani -- Hello, central, give me Heaven / Chas. K. Harris -- Hello! Ma baby / Joseph E. Howard ; Ida Emerson -- I've been working on the railroad -- In Old Madrid / Clifton Bingham ; H. Trotere -- In the gloaming / Meta Orred ; Annie F. Harrison -- I got shoes -- Iris Jubilee / Chas. Lawler ; James Thornton -- In the evening by the moonlight -- In the baggage coah ahead / Gussie L. Davis -- I ain't a-goin' to weep no more / Geo. Totten Smith ; Harry Von Tilzer -- I am a Pilgrim -- I know the Lord -- In the good Old Summertime / Ren Shields ; George Evans -- Just tell them that you saw me / Paul Dresser -- Just to call you mine / Jack Bauer -- Just because she made them goo goo eyes / John Queen ; Hughie Cannon -- Little more faith in Jesus -- Kentucky Babe / Richard Buck ; Adam Geibel -- Kashmiri song / Amy W. Finden ; Lawrence Hope -- Love somebody -- Ladies' man -- Lyndia Pinkham -- Little David play on your harp -- Letter edged in black / Hattie Nevada -- Mother, pin a rose on me / Bob Adams ; Dave Lewis ; Paul Schindler -- Mother O'mine / Rudyard Kipling ; Frank E. Tours -- Melinda's ragtime ball / Harry Von Tilzer -- Molly O / WM. J. Scanlan -- Mansion of aching hearts / Andrew J. Lamb ; Harry Von Tilzer -- Mary and Martha -- My wild Irish rose / Chauncey Olcott -- Out of work / Septimus Winner -- Oh promise me / Clement Scott ; Reginald De Koven -- Picture no artist can paint / J. Fred Helf -- Playmates / Harry Dacre -- Pal of my dreams / Chas. E. Roat -- Rose with a broken stem / Carroll Fleming ; Everett Evans -- Picture of her face / Scott Joplin -- So long, Mary / George M. Cohan -- Rockabye baby / Effie I. Canning -- Rufus Rastus Johnson Brwon ; Andrew B. Sterling ; Harry Von Tilzer -- 'Round her neck she wears a yellow ribbon -- Say au revoir but not goodbye / Harry Kennedy -- Return / H. Millard ; Geo. Cooper -- Silver threads among the gold / Eben E. Rexford ; Hart P. Danks -- Shamus O'Brien / Will S. Hays -- Sidewalks of New York / Charles B. Lawlor ; James W. Blake -- Somebody's sweetheart I want to be / Cobb & Edwards -- Somebody's waiting for me / Andrew Sterling ; Harry Von Tilzer -- Some day I'll wander back again / A.W. French ; W.A. Huntley -- She was bred in Old Kentucky / Harry Braisted ; Stanley Carter -- Streets of Cairo / James Thornton -- She may have seen better days / James Thornton -- Sunshine of Paradise Alley / Walter H. Ford ; John W. Bratton -- Sweetest story ever told / R.M. Stults -- Sing again that sweet refrain / Gussie L. Davies -- She is more to be pitied than censured / William B. Gray -- Sweet Marie / C. Warman ; Raymond Moore -- Sweet bunch of daisies / Anita Owen -- Take back your gold / Louis W. Pritzkow ; Monroe H. Rosenfeld -- Those wedding bells / Monroe H. Rosenfeld -- Tell me, pretty maiden / Leslie Stuart -- Throw him down, McCloskey / John W. Kelly -- Salty dog -- Santy Anno -- Single girl -- Teasing / Cecil Mack ; Albert Von Tilzer -- Under the willow she's sleeping / Stephen Foster -- Waiting at the church / Fred W. Leigh ; Henry E. Pether -- Under the bamboo tree / Bob Cole -- Who threw the overalls in Mrs. Murphy's chowder? -- Where did you get that hat? / Joseph J. Sullivan -- Then you do the ragtime dance / Harry Von Tilzer -- We never speak as we pass by / H. Milford -- When the stars begin to fall -- You never miss the water / Rowland Howard -- What would you take for me, Papa / Thomas P. Westendor -- Yankee Doodle Boy / George M. Cohan -- You're not the only pebble on the beach / Harry Braisted ; Stanley Carter.

    I had made a xerox copy of She's More To Be Pitied Than Censored

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EozfqCAB…

    I had never heard of it before, and I thought it humorous, and so I was playing it for myself.

    I showed the printed music to this guy who was a life long organ player. He was also an unbelievably good site singer. He just looked at it and then sang it to me. I was really surprised at how good he was, and given the curious melody.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    This is a guy who knows more than three chords:

    Lenny Kravitz-Let Love Rule
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICcac0C6…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDhMkHfT…
    https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/l/lenny…
    https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/l/lenny…
    Let Love Rule
    Lenny Kravits

    Uses E, G, G#, A, A#, C chords. Note that these are all major triads, chords with just 3 notes. The G# and the A# chord would not usually be used in rock music.

    Most slow rock songs are in E Major.

    Look like the lyrics are in E Major, but the chorus is in G.

    A# and G# are just one semitone uppers.

    But C is the dominant for G, and A is the supertonic for G.

    It all sounds real neat. This guy is good.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Joni Mitchell - Amelia
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxMwGTQ1…

    To me this just sounds like the standard 5 note chord, 1st, 3rd, 5th, Flat 7th, and 9th.

    I don't thinks she is playing minor 3rds, or minor or augmented 5ths. That the 7th is flatted is standard, and to me this just seems to mean that the music is mixolydian. So it revolves around a tonic note, but it is actually using the major scale of the note a 4th up.

    So C9 = C E G Bb D

    Its a pretty spicy chord. But notice that it is diatonic in F, not in C. So if you write it with the key signature of F Major, then you can say that it revolves around the note a 5th up, C. This is mixolydian.

    I think if you just play C E G D, then that is called C add9. I believe that this is the "Steely Dan Chord", also called Mu Major. They used that instead of C9, because C9 makes it fully jazz.

    This is my understanding.

    Try it, like on a keyboard or acoustic piano.

    I know that Blues uses the 4 note chords, and jazz uses 5 notes.

    I've seen transcription sheet music for Billy Stayhorn's Take the A Train. Ellington used to sort of use the piano to conduct. In the beginning he imitates the sound of a bell, by coming down on a C9 chord. But it is understood that it is okay to leave some of the non-essential notes out, and to do inversions. So 3 octaves up from middle-c he is paying Bb C D.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ggcQk67…

    And this jibes completely with what I was saying about Steely Dan.

    SJG

    Read the memoirs of Melvin Belli, its got good pictures of the strippers of long ago too.
    https://www.amazon.com/Melvin-Belli-life…

    And about the legal fights of Jim and Artie Mitchell:
    https://www.amazon.com/Bottom-Feeders-Fr…

    As far as nudity in advertising, non-Adult Venues, or just in public, well people have been doing it. See what happens. On websites I see cover nothing bikini's.

    http://bikinidare.org/

    https://www.the-bikini.com/galleries-pee…

    https://www.stringbikinimicrobikini.com/…
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Steely Dan, similar harmony but not the same. And omitting that flatted 7th means that it does not have to be mixolydian.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XLcejLg…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Power Ballads:

    Cutting Crew - (I Just) Died in Your Arms Tonight
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC_ZQXH3…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    7 years ago
    Joni Mitchell - Amelia

    Look what I find, she uses a non-standard guitar tuning:
    http://jonimitchell.com/music/transcript…

    http://jonimitchell.com/music/guitarfile…

    https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/jon…

    Okay, well I'm not seeing my 5 note chords, but she does say near the key of C.

    http://www.guitaretab.com/j/joni-mitchel…

    Cutting Crew - (I Just) Died in Your Arms Tonight

    Foreigner version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxcFZTa-…
    https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/cut…

    SJG

    Wicked Temptations, regrettably out of business
    http://www.shareasale.com/image/wt-clubw…

    A specter is haunting Europe
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdYLRTGm…
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    So I listen to this an I really like it.

    In My Dreams -- School of Rock
    https://youtu.be/-55rKa7fZTo?t=510

    She plays a 4 note keyboard sequence in the beginning, seemingly for vocal pitch.

    So that would be Do Re Mi Fa.

    So on C that would be C D E F.

    Intervals Whole Whole Half.

    But this seems to be minor mode, so C D Eb F

    Whole, Half, Whole.

    But then this does not seem to be on C. Seems to be on E, the E minor scale.

    Everyone can hear relative pitch, but very few can hear absolute pitch. So you have to have something handy to play along with them.

    Look what I found:

    https://www.onlinepianist.com/virtual-pi…

    So E major scale has 4 sharps.

    But E minor has a relative major in G major, which has only F sharped.

    So just play E F# G A

    just type "E5TY", and try doing it quickly.

    I know there is ambiguity in the upper end of minor mode scales, but just go with that RM G major, only F# and play an entire scale and maybe two octaves worth.

    They want you to hear the E F# sharp interval of minor third right off.

    https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/dok…

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    So I've got the Eminor scale and those for pitch notes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-55rKa7f…

    So what about the actual chords in the tabs?



    Em = E G B ( uses G major scale)

    C = C E G

    B = B D# F#

    So I should be able to follow the chord progression
    https://www.onlinepianist.com/virtual-pi…


    D = D F# A

    A = A C# E

    G = G B D

    So I should be able to follow the chord progression
    https://www.onlinepianist.com/virtual-pi…

    Yeah, seems right to me.

    Lots of notes connecting from one chord to the next in the progression.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    Never goes beyond 3 note chords.
    Sharp keys
    G F#
    D F# C#
    A F# C# G#
    E F# C# G# D#
    B F# C# G# D# A#


    Only sounds the Minor Triad in the Em chord. Seems to be the tonic chord, but otherwise it never uses a minor triad.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    Chromatism: So using the Eminor scale, they never use Fnat.

    BUt F# would be the only sharp.

    They do use C# and D# sharp, but its just a certain places in the chord progression.

    Now as for a melody chromatism, in popular music that is not that important.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-55rKa7f…

    Going to play along with this again, from the 4 pitch notes, E F# G A, through the chord progression.

    https://www.onlinepianist.com/virtual-pi…

    https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/dok…

    Because this never goes beyond 3 note chords, there are less chomatic notes than their might be.

    Em = E G B ( uses G major scale)
    C = C E G
    B = B D# F#
    D = D F# A
    A = A C# E
    G = G B D

    So the Em scale has F# and they never use Fnat.

    So the chromatic notes in the chords are D#, C#

    And in E major, C and D would normally be sharp. In E minor though they would not be used. But sometimes alterations are made to minor scales. Also they are getting these out of the A and B major triads. Well these are on E's subdominant and dominant.

    But if you wanted them to be minor triad you would have to use Cnat and Dnat. So this isn't intended to be minor mode. It's just that they started of with that Em chord and with that Em scale, letting you hear the minor third right off.

    SJG

  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    okay! I feel that I understand the structure better now.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    I listen to this again, while reading the guitar chords, though not trying to play along.

    If you just say it is Gmaj, then you have C and D as subdominant and dominant.

    They don't intend that. E is intended as the tonic note. And that they are using the Emin scale and chord is only broken by the A and B chord intorducing C# and D# which are not Emin by they are Emaj and Gmaj.

    SJG
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    In My Dreams
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-55rKa7f…

    So again following the guitar tabs
    https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/tab/dok…

    Think of this as being on G maj scale, which is the same as E min.

    You get a couple accidentals through the chords, but only using the first 3 notes, not the entire scale these chords come from.

    So you get C# and D# from the A and B chords. These would be there is you were using E maj instead of E min.

    Yeah, this pattern of accidentals just make it a little more spicy, not diatonic.

    SJG


    Yes - Roundabout - Highwood, IL School of Rock
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVmqKsMm…

    https://www.zzounds.com/item--GIBLPS600?…
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    Music Maker

    Music Maker

    https://www.magix.com/us/music-editing/m…

    SJG

    School of Rock Kansas City Do It Again (early Steele Dan, before their signature harmony. For so many years they would play this on the radio just about non-stop)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4g-SMtk…
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