I've seen a disturbing trend the last few times I've gone out to clubs. Dancers on stage not taking off their tops. I don't sit at the rail and if I'm going to get up to tip them, I want to see the goods. Sometimes they will flash someone if they come up to tip, but most of the time they don't get any tips. And these were all attractive women. I saw a number of black girls do this and one hot Latina as well.
So questions for the group. Have you seen this in your area and if so would you still get a dance with them? If you have seen it, why do you think they do it and do you see this from certain nationalities?
I've seen this happen a few times. But mostly from girls who were not very well endowed on top.
Conversely, I've actually noticed a few times that a girl has gotten off stage and walked around the club without her top on, when they are supposed to put their tops back on when they get off stage.
Almost exclusively, it's been black girls that walk around or sit at the bar with a customer without their top on, in my experience. So, not sure if that's a trend with them or not...
I've seen mainly two or three white girls do this but not consistently. Typically I do not tip them as much. I visit strip club to see tits, not see a girl moving on stage.
If I have a girl do this during a two for one lap dance and she doesn't take her top off until the second song, she will not get any tip from me and likely won't get any more dances from me in later visits. she can do that with all the newbies and maybe someone who would pay her just to talk. forget that crap. I decided to act like her last night. I put off visiting the whole club until the second week. I can get better entertainment watching tv, sports, and naked girls online rather than that crap. I'm looking forward to telling her maybe later if she is still working there.
On occassion, I have seen multiple girls in another club not taking off their tops. no one was tipping either. If this became a trend, I would stop visiting strip clubs. Why would I want to?
With the money I saved, I could buy a wide screen smart tv and watch girls strip for free online. not really a bad idea. I watched a sports game, a oouple of science fiction shows, half naked girls online, and played Diablo 3 last night instead of dealing with that crap. I put the whole club visit off until the second week maybe longer.
In my case, it was half the time , very well endowed girls. I'm not sure what their problem is. This was while they were onstage. I have known some dancers to keep their tops on until I tipped them on stage.
Yeah, but here in Louisville they're not even allowed to do that, so it's not that remarkable. :)
But in places that allow topless and nudity on stage, I expect them to show it off, and will decline to tip if they don't. If it happens more than a couple times, I'd maybe ask the bartender what's up. If it doesn't improve, I'd leave.
I did leave last week after getting two for one topless dances from a regular dancer. Then I did not return ths week. I'll find my entertainment elsewhere if dancers do not go topless. It's not really a strip club if most girls started that. I get paid for performance where I work at. If dancers don't strip at a strip club, they are not performing or under performing. They get less in tips so maybe it's just a female thing or shyness or something. In two cases where the dancers have large tits, I don't know what their problem is. maybe it's a habit. Someone told me one dark haired girl was a bitch so maybe she feels entitled to guys tips without taking her top off. Now I understand if the girl s an A cup but I see more small tits than large ones taking it off consistently.
Fortunately at the club I'm talking about there are plenty of other dancers who are more than willing to take their tops off and/or play in VIP. So I just focus on those dancers. But I just thought it was interesting that these other dancers don't take their tops off when they could make much more doing so.
Yeah – I come across this fairly often – my 2.5 cents:
+ I see it happen a lot in black clubs b/c IME often times these clubs are very poorly managed and dancers pretty much do as they please – i.e. not like well-managed clubs where the dancers are required to take it off by a particular song in the stage-set – e.g. down here in So FL is full-nude on stage; in well-managed clubs if the dancer has a 3-song stage-set for example the dancer is required to be topless by the 2nd song and full nude by the third; if she’s on for 1 or 2 songs; she is required to be nude by her last song whether it’s the first or 2nd song – well-managed clubs enforce this
+ IME/IMO – often times in the hood black clubs I visit in Miami; the hood black guys don’t even seem to care about the boobs; I guess they just care about the booty and twerking (and making it rain even if the dancers is not doing crap) – sometimes I don’t even see the hood-guys even paying attention to the dancer they are getting dances from – i.e. I think some/many black dancers don’t bother to take off their tops b/c they may be used to black custies that don’t care about seeing the boobs; IME at my local clubs
+ irrational dancer logic – there is a “school of dancer thought” that if they are not getting tipped then they don’t take anything off (which is stupid thinking but it’s stripper-thinking nevertheless) – although this does not explain them not taking anything off once they are tipped on-stage
+ laziness – not wanting to go thru the hassle of constantly taking-off and putting-on their top
So for me it’s a fairly-frequent occurrence in the small black clubs I visit – it does not bother me too much on stage b/c I’m not much of a stage-tipper – but it bothers me when they are giving me floor-dances and not taking off their-tops – Miami floor-dances are full-nude and many ebonies will take off their bottoms and keep their top on – what I do is to ask them to take-off their top when they are dancing for me and they pretty-much always do
With all this contractor/no-contractor stuff going-on w.r.t. dancers; I wonder if clubs can enforce the dancers getting topless/nude on-stage; it seems most clubs *do* enforce it.
Papi - I would think they can enforce it because while they are private contractors they are there at the whim of the establishment. So if the establishment says you have to take your top off as part of your employment I would think that would make them do that if they wanted to continue to work there.
At the north end of south Florida, not taking off bottoms in the nude clubs is becoming common. I used to not mind, but as its become more and more common I've gotten annoyed with it. I protest/vote the only way I know how, if its a nude club I don't tip until the girl is nude. I do make exceptions for girls I know and occasionally for extraordinarily hot ones though. I don't get dances from those girls, I may have made a few exceptions for girls I know who just don't take it off occasionally, but that is rare. I've dramatically curtailed my visits to Spearmint Rhino in no small part due to the phenomena.
I don't notice any sort of relation with dancer ethnicity in mixed race clubs, it seems to be a club thing. There's absolutely clubs that enforce a top off for the 2nd song, bottom off for the 3rd song rule. At all 3 of the SF Cheetah's you'll occasionally hear a DJ "remind" a girl on stage its her 2nd/3rd song until she takes it off. The girls at both Cheetah and Diamond Dolls have told me they get fined if they aren't naked on their last song. I've never seen a girl at Tootsies or Scarlett's not get naked. I'm sure those lazy cuban ROB's at Tootsies are doing the bare minimum the club requires to be allowed to continue hustling there, so if they're naked its cause management told them if they want to keep their bras or panties on they can do it in the parking lot.
In the black clubs, its normal for the girls to keep clothes on: tops and bottoms. The explanations Papi gave are in line with my observations and the explanations I've been given. The one addition I'd make is that the girls who don't take it off until they get tipped, if you amend it to "get tipped enough" it still holds, and that's what I've seen. Often times the customers in black clubs seem to be more interested in being seen making it rain than they are in seeing the dancer. They're paying more attention to who's watching them than they are the dancer. The girls seem to know this and don't bother taking it off. At the same time, the black dancers in Mixed/White clubs are often the first to get naked. It makes me think its less about the ethnicity of the girl and more the norms of the club.
Really, I think it just comes down to stupidity/laziness of dancers. For a few, they're is probably an element of modesty (meaning they don't want to show their pussies) but I think that's relatively rare.
I used to blackball dancers that did not take anything off on stage – I figured they were unprofessional/bad-dancers and thus not worth getting dances from.
BUT – with dancers being as flaky as they are; now a days I have very little pre-conditions w.r.t. dancers particularly w.r.t their stage-set; i.e. I’ve had dancers on stage be supa friendly/sexy/slutty; and then be duds w.r.t. dances; and I’ve had the opposite.
For me; if I like how she looks; I usually give her a test-run which in the black Miami clubs is not much of a risk @ $5/dance – sometimes there is something about them or their approach that will make me pass; but more often than not I’ll take them for a LD-spin and see how it goes.
I visit *lots* of clubs in the course of a year -- 30 or more -- and have observed this phenomenon only occasionally, when the crowd is sparse and not tipping. The stripper probably thinks "Why bother taking my top off? Those cheap bastards won't tip me anyway." It's kind of a vicious cycle: the girls don't strip, so the guys don't tip, so the girls are even less likely to strip. However, I don't see this abhorrent behavior very often. I seldom tip a dancer who isn't topless or about to get topless. Actually my favorite time to tip at the stage is at the moment I sense that she's about to remove her top, so that I can pretend in my PL mind that she's taking it off just for me :)
The girls at my favorite club dance 3 song sets. They choose their songs.
I have noticed one dancer chooses the same three songs
every time. She told me those are the three shortest songs available.
I only tip on the third song after they are topless. No skin, no $.
I can hug a clothed woman for free outside of the club.
"At my club, the rule is you must take your top completely off by the second song..."
But a lot of the girls we work with don't. I am guilty of doing this if it is early in the shift (5pm, 6pm) and there is one or two customers hanging out who are clearly not paying attention or are distracted with somebody else. So then, why bother at that point. If somebody walks in as a new customer, then fuck yes I take it off.
Other girls will slide their tops to the side or use the excuse of "they need to tip to see the goods". One girl will only pull one boob out with the mindset of "they look alike, so you only need to see one."
So, although there are signs in our locker room saying "you must take your top completely off by the second song," many do not.
I am guilty of sometimes sliding my top to the side if we are switching stages on a busy night. The Detroit City ordinance says you must have a top on while on the floor, which would mean half a song to put it on before leaving the stage while impatient dancers behind me are getting pissed off waiting and the girl ahead of me on the second stage is pissed off waiting for me to replace her. So I find it easier on busy nights to slide it to the side. With my luck, vice will come in while I'm moving between stages with my top off.
This has been a trend for a while. This is part of why my old favorite club stopped being my favorite. They wouldn't make the strippers take their tops off, much less their bottoms. OTOH, this is how my favorite fat stripper got to her position, at least while she danced, because she didn't need to be told to take everything off. Then again, that club always had poor management, which only got worse when the current owner took over complete ownership.
I've also been to a couple clubs which have the philosophy of "the bigger the tip, the better the strip". I'm not sure how those clubs even make it.
This is going on everywhere not just in stripclubs. No matter whether you buy a car or a phone even groceries you seem to get less than you expected any time you attempt to make a purchase so why would you expect a group of hustlers to be the ones to reverse this trend. The only way to fix this in my experience is to patronize the exceptional providers sadly just following through on your claims is considered exceptional in this age.
Some clubs have a significant minority who don't take clothes off until they get a certain amount in tips. I would tell these girls what a mistake this strategy is except I typically avoid dancers with this attitude.
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I've seen this happen a few times. But mostly from girls who were not very well endowed on top.
Conversely, I've actually noticed a few times that a girl has gotten off stage and walked around the club without her top on, when they are supposed to put their tops back on when they get off stage.
Almost exclusively, it's been black girls that walk around or sit at the bar with a customer without their top on, in my experience. So, not sure if that's a trend with them or not...
If I have a girl do this during a two for one lap dance and she doesn't take her top off until the second song, she will not get any tip from me and likely won't get any more dances from me in later visits. she can do that with all the newbies and maybe someone who would pay her just to talk. forget that crap. I decided to act like her last night. I put off visiting the whole club until the second week. I can get better entertainment watching tv, sports, and naked girls online rather than that crap. I'm looking forward to telling her maybe later if she is still working there.
On occassion, I have seen multiple girls in another club not taking off their tops. no one was tipping either. If this became a trend, I would stop visiting strip clubs. Why would I want to?
With the money I saved, I could buy a wide screen smart tv and watch girls strip for free online. not really a bad idea. I watched a sports game, a oouple of science fiction shows, half naked girls online, and played Diablo 3 last night instead of dealing with that crap. I put the whole club visit off until the second week maybe longer.
But in places that allow topless and nudity on stage, I expect them to show it off, and will decline to tip if they don't. If it happens more than a couple times, I'd maybe ask the bartender what's up. If it doesn't improve, I'd leave.
Yeah – I come across this fairly often – my 2.5 cents:
+ I see it happen a lot in black clubs b/c IME often times these clubs are very poorly managed and dancers pretty much do as they please – i.e. not like well-managed clubs where the dancers are required to take it off by a particular song in the stage-set – e.g. down here in So FL is full-nude on stage; in well-managed clubs if the dancer has a 3-song stage-set for example the dancer is required to be topless by the 2nd song and full nude by the third; if she’s on for 1 or 2 songs; she is required to be nude by her last song whether it’s the first or 2nd song – well-managed clubs enforce this
+ IME/IMO – often times in the hood black clubs I visit in Miami; the hood black guys don’t even seem to care about the boobs; I guess they just care about the booty and twerking (and making it rain even if the dancers is not doing crap) – sometimes I don’t even see the hood-guys even paying attention to the dancer they are getting dances from – i.e. I think some/many black dancers don’t bother to take off their tops b/c they may be used to black custies that don’t care about seeing the boobs; IME at my local clubs
+ irrational dancer logic – there is a “school of dancer thought” that if they are not getting tipped then they don’t take anything off (which is stupid thinking but it’s stripper-thinking nevertheless) – although this does not explain them not taking anything off once they are tipped on-stage
+ laziness – not wanting to go thru the hassle of constantly taking-off and putting-on their top
So for me it’s a fairly-frequent occurrence in the small black clubs I visit – it does not bother me too much on stage b/c I’m not much of a stage-tipper – but it bothers me when they are giving me floor-dances and not taking off their-tops – Miami floor-dances are full-nude and many ebonies will take off their bottoms and keep their top on – what I do is to ask them to take-off their top when they are dancing for me and they pretty-much always do
A even more disturbing trend is CrazyJoe and Juicebox 69 are level 10 contributors.
The most disturbing trend is Dougster hasn't posted in 2 weeks.
WTF is this world is coming to???
Some of these strip clubs are just neighborhood bars. The management doesn't have that much of a whip to crack.
But on the other hand, if you focus on getting along with the dancer you like, anything is potentially possible.
SJG
I don't notice any sort of relation with dancer ethnicity in mixed race clubs, it seems to be a club thing. There's absolutely clubs that enforce a top off for the 2nd song, bottom off for the 3rd song rule. At all 3 of the SF Cheetah's you'll occasionally hear a DJ "remind" a girl on stage its her 2nd/3rd song until she takes it off. The girls at both Cheetah and Diamond Dolls have told me they get fined if they aren't naked on their last song. I've never seen a girl at Tootsies or Scarlett's not get naked. I'm sure those lazy cuban ROB's at Tootsies are doing the bare minimum the club requires to be allowed to continue hustling there, so if they're naked its cause management told them if they want to keep their bras or panties on they can do it in the parking lot.
In the black clubs, its normal for the girls to keep clothes on: tops and bottoms. The explanations Papi gave are in line with my observations and the explanations I've been given. The one addition I'd make is that the girls who don't take it off until they get tipped, if you amend it to "get tipped enough" it still holds, and that's what I've seen. Often times the customers in black clubs seem to be more interested in being seen making it rain than they are in seeing the dancer. They're paying more attention to who's watching them than they are the dancer. The girls seem to know this and don't bother taking it off. At the same time, the black dancers in Mixed/White clubs are often the first to get naked. It makes me think its less about the ethnicity of the girl and more the norms of the club.
Really, I think it just comes down to stupidity/laziness of dancers. For a few, they're is probably an element of modesty (meaning they don't want to show their pussies) but I think that's relatively rare.
BUT – with dancers being as flaky as they are; now a days I have very little pre-conditions w.r.t. dancers particularly w.r.t their stage-set; i.e. I’ve had dancers on stage be supa friendly/sexy/slutty; and then be duds w.r.t. dances; and I’ve had the opposite.
For me; if I like how she looks; I usually give her a test-run which in the black Miami clubs is not much of a risk @ $5/dance – sometimes there is something about them or their approach that will make me pass; but more often than not I’ll take them for a LD-spin and see how it goes.
:)
I have noticed one dancer chooses the same three songs
every time. She told me those are the three shortest songs available.
I only tip on the third song after they are topless. No skin, no $.
I can hug a clothed woman for free outside of the club.
But a lot of the girls we work with don't. I am guilty of doing this if it is early in the shift (5pm, 6pm) and there is one or two customers hanging out who are clearly not paying attention or are distracted with somebody else. So then, why bother at that point. If somebody walks in as a new customer, then fuck yes I take it off.
Other girls will slide their tops to the side or use the excuse of "they need to tip to see the goods". One girl will only pull one boob out with the mindset of "they look alike, so you only need to see one."
So, although there are signs in our locker room saying "you must take your top completely off by the second song," many do not.
I am guilty of sometimes sliding my top to the side if we are switching stages on a busy night. The Detroit City ordinance says you must have a top on while on the floor, which would mean half a song to put it on before leaving the stage while impatient dancers behind me are getting pissed off waiting and the girl ahead of me on the second stage is pissed off waiting for me to replace her. So I find it easier on busy nights to slide it to the side. With my luck, vice will come in while I'm moving between stages with my top off.
I've also been to a couple clubs which have the philosophy of "the bigger the tip, the better the strip". I'm not sure how those clubs even make it.