Eating Pussy Not Prostitution In The Club

Ubiquitous disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer and this should in no way be construed as legal advice

In most jurisdictions prostitution is defined (loosely) as any promiscuous sexual contact for monetary or material exchange, including the stimulation of either parties genitals by the other party. That's a pretty broad stroke and would even cover frotage aka Lap Dance and LDK- but I think under the broad definition cunnilingus, analingus and fellatio are probably viewed the same in the eyes of the judicial system, or a jury of ones peers.

That's my understanding of the issue, but being a horndog monger who believes in Civil Disobedience I really don't give a rats ass, I just believe all forms of consensual adult behavior should be decriminalized (with the emphasis on consensual).

There is confusion all around about this. All 50 states have basically the same law. Here in California it is PC 647b.

They describe it as "contracting for sex or lewd conduct"

So it is not the sex acts themselves, and it is not the money, and it is not the condoms. But what it really comes down to is just what the DA can convince a jury of.

So for example, S.F.'s Crazy Horse is set up for HJ and BJ, but to discourage FS. Very unlikely they will ever get busted, as in San Francisco they seem to have given up if they are not doing FS.

But in Santa Clara County, not too far back, they busted an operation just because the dancers were "touching and allowing themselves to be touched". This means basically just pawing a girl's breasts, while handing her tips.

And then back in the 1980's in San Francisco when they tried Jim and Artie Mitchell, it was not too much more than this.

So the law has never changed, it is just that with good lawyers and the newspapers mocking the police, and with Jim and Artie being very brave in risking a jury trial and winning, they beat the wrap. So from now on it would be very costly politically for LE to try and enforce that interpretation.

But in Santa Clara County, not wanting it to become like San Francisco, they still hold to that very strict interpretation.

Thing is though, most defendants can't afford good lawyers, our newspapers are much more conservative, and most defendants won't want to risk a jury trial. Especially when the owners and talent agents will be charged with Pandering, a felony with a mandatory straight time minimum.

So I would say that DATY, HJ, BJ, and FS, when done for money, could all be considered criminal. Dry humping, if the intent was to cause ejaculation, and if the negotiating included this understanding, I would say it also could be considered criminal.

It just comes down to what LE thinks it can get away with. If the matter too small and the trial and convincing the jury too difficult, and if there are obvious more extreme things going on, then they won't try and enforce.

But also, in most places LE doesn't want to risk a trial either. So they hit the defendants with extreme charges, knowing that they can be intimidated into pleading guilty to lesser charges. So then, the DA's extreme interpretation can still hold, but without having to convince a jury.

Santa Clara County knows that loosing one case could mean that the place becomes like San Francisco.

This was the intent of the man who opened Cheetahs Sunnyvale, formerly Kit Kat Club. And he was busted.

Usually the prostitution laws are only enforced on those who service at the low price end. High class escorts almost never get busted, as it is just too difficult. And then even if they make the bust. the newspapers will mock the police. So much effort, and for what?

Heidi Fliess was the exception, but it was because she and her girls wouldn't serve as informants and do stings for LAPD.

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Crazy talk! That's sounds like a lecture a stripper would give. I know because I've been the receiver of such lecture before. "Sorry honey I can't give you a BJ because I would get in trouble, but you can lock my pussy." Lol - yeah okay babe!

Also,

More than 3 shakes is not masturbating
Denial turns out to be just a river in Egypt
And Bill Clinton did not have sex with that woman

I see Subraman beat me to the punch, original comment does sound like something slick willie would say, you're not Bill Clinton are you?

Either way my response to that is tell it to the judge and see how it works.

Cool.

I'm glad I'm not breaking any laws then with these strippers. ;)

It is not prostitution unless the stripper is paying you. :)

Make that argument in front of a judge and let us know how it all works out for you.

Just be sure to stop pumping after 999 times.

Just another angle here...( literally the Camera angle). Doesn't change the legality but depending on the angle of the camera in the VIP a girl dancing over a customer with his face buried in her crotch might look like she's just standing over him giving him a close view whereas if his pants were open and she was in front of him on her knees it would be fairly obvious what is going on. This is assuming a club where management was actively trying to discourage extras, of course

The dancer may have implied the act was legal but actually what she meant was she thought she could get away with it in that situation.

""Before proceeding, we need to define prostitution. Despite being known as the oldest profession, a workable definition has proven elusive. From a dictionary we learn that prostitution is the 'act or practice of engaging in sexual intercourse for money'. But a prostitute cannot simply be a woman who sells her body, since 'that is done every day by women who become wives in order to gain a home and a livelihood'. Promiscuity has been proposed as another candidate. Medieval canon lawyer Johannes Teutonicus suggested that a woman who had sex with more than 23,000 men should be classified as a prostitute, although 40 to 60 would also do. However, promiscuity itself does not turn a woman into a prostitute. Although a vast majority of prostitutes are promiscuous, most people would agree that sleeping around does not amount to prostitution. Moreover, any threshold number of sexual partners, be it 40 or 23,000, fails to identify high end courtesans or call girls as prostitutes, although a reasonable definition would. Instead, we argue that prostitution is the act of rendering, from the client’s point of view, non-reproductive sex against payment.""

Well, it might turn out selling lapdances can also mean prostitution.

The laws will vary slightly by state but not likely enough to matter. Paying for sex will get you a conviction regardless of who is performing a sex act upon whom at the time that you are caught. You could claim that you weren't paying extra just to eat her pussy so no money was changing hands. But that's not likely to get you very far if you're paying money for VIP or lap dances.

Someone needs to drug test Alabegonz.

Prostitution is what prostitution does

If I get arrested for my behavior in a SC, I want my "peers" from here!