OTC Question No 1
JohnSmith69
layin low but staying high
I had a seemingly good OTC prospect last night. But she raised two issues that I don't know how to handle. Here's the first one. Second one to follow. Any advice?
I was running my usual OTC system on her. At first she refuses to talk cause she's afraid I'm a cop. I show her a business card that says I'm a lawyer. Then we talk.
She lies and says she has never done what I want with a customer before, but she is willing to do it with me. I don't care about the lies though. Maybe she wants to convince herself that she's not a prostitute. Or maybe she correctly perceives that I prefer lower mileage pussy. Doesn't matter cause she's hot and I want her. She's not a dream stripper -- absolutely perfect face but her tits are too small and her ass is a little big. But she's a cute white 8.5, and my type.
The discussion is going well. She is willing to do everything I want except kissing. She leaves open the possibility of kissing at some point but not at first. I tell her I'm a generous guy, if she takes care of me I'll take care of her, I know that I have to pay her, etc. She says in response that she won't do it for money. WTF? Never heard that in an OTC discussion. But I'm high, don't have the best negotiating judgment, so I just keep the sex talk going and avoid any more discussion of money. It is very clear though that she said she will fuck me OTC but wouldn't do it for money.
She was willing to set it up then, but I couldn't. I'm mostly out of town the next two plus weeks, and I have a date with DS2 on the only couple of nights that I'll be home. So I get her number, promise to communicate and see her as soon as I can.
Here is some more SS that might be relevant. She says she has a thing for older men. She goes into a bit of detail about why this is including a short story about being sexually molested as a teenager. It all sounds true, but when I'm high and horny the little head will believe just about anything that a beautiful naked young woman says to him. Still, it is a very hot fantasy that she has a fetish for fucking guys older than her dad.
More likely lies. She says she's never given a blow job to a guy. Says she's only fucked 3 guys in her life. Says it's because of being molested, that made her have no sex for two plus years. She's early 20s, claims to be a student at a technical college. Also says she has never received oral sex. I might believe all of this if not for the fact that she's willing to fuck me, a customer that she just met an hour ago. She would've fucked me in the VIP last night but I'm saving myself for an upcoming DS2 date
In any event the discussion went well but WTF do I do about the no money comment? I don't for a second believe that she's so turned on by a guy more than 30 years older than her that she wants to fuck me for free. But why did she say that she didn't want money? I'm running my system at the same time that she's running hers. The details of my system are obvious. But hers are a mystery.
Here are the possible explanations that I can think of for why she said she didn't want money. None is completely satisfactory to me.
Maybe we fuck, and then she gives me some sob story about needing money for kids, doctor, rent, etc. So being a PL she counts on me falling for her shit and paying her more than I otherwise would. It's not that she fucks for money, it's just that she has this pressing financial need and is asking her new friend and fuck buddy to help out. If this is her system it's a stupid one because I would know that I was set up and that would be the end of her income from me. Plus I don't pay for kids, doctor, rent etc. I pay an agreed upon price for an agreed upon service. I made it clear to her that I had money to pay her, so why not just take the money and keep doing me?
I considered that she might keep the money issue unsettled because she just wants to drag things out and keep me paying itc. But her actions suggested otherwise. She was willing to schedule the date last night. She wasn't delaying in any way. She was also willing to fuck me in the VIP (although that would obviously have cost money).
I suppose another possibility is she was telling the truth. I realize that's incredibly unlikely no matter how much the little head believes otherwise. Nevertheless, I have trouble not thinking that it could be true since I can't explain her position otherwise.
And the last thing I can think of is that she felt my erection during our very erotic lap dances, and it was so big and appealing that she just had to have it inside her. That's probably it.
So what do I do? Just fuck her, assume it's free, and deal with the shit if/when it happens? Or should I bring up money again and insist upon paying her a reasonable sum so she can't demand more later? Is this a bad sign that means I should avoid her? Why did she say that she does not want money to fuck me?
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Okay, she'll want money; she's still afraid you're Uncle Leo. She's given blowjobs. She's been licked. She's done OTC. Most of the rest is a lie too, except she might have been molested.
If you like her, set it up and fuck her. Are you turning in to SJG on us? Please don't!
Oh, and just an aside, you should use Roman Numerals for your now growing litany of DS's. So you're on DS II now.
On the other hand, if she fucks you "for free" and then you happen to give her a "gift" after... well that's still prostitution.
I'm thinking she is expecting something other than money and is going that route to convince herself she's not a prostitite. Like, don't give me money, but buy me this, or pay my rent, or take me on vacation.
Sorry, but never gave a BJ and molested as a teen gets major eye roll from me because I've heard that so many times in a strip club it's ridiculous and it's usually coming from the mouth of the biggest slut in the room!
Quit overthinking it. You know it's always BS.
But ok I'll just fuck her and see what happens. Given how I overpay she'd probably make more by negotiating the $ up front but I'll do it her way.
As for overthinking it, maybe I am. But usually I'm accused of not thinking things through before I do them. So I was looking for some balance.
I gotta earn my 350K this afternoon but I'll post issue 2 this evening.
Then report back.
-go to hotel and fuck
-upon departure or a couple days later she's asking you for money for some need
Like many civvies; not all strippers are sexual dynamos that gotta have sex constantly like most of us PLs – I can def see nice looking young strippers not wanting a BF and not really interested in having sex outside a relationship – not saying it's common – but not off-the-charts uncommon either IMO – so def possible she is not that sexually experience and has not done certain things/acts (e.g. fellatio; etc).
And I do believe there are young women whom may prefer older men (as long as they don't look like decrepit grandfathers and I've met JS69 and he does not look like that) – they may feel safer and more comfortable w/ older men whom are smarter; more mature; more patient; willing to please them (the female) and not just focus on getting themselves off; as it would be more common for younger guys whom can also be more of an asshole often times. Plus I, as others, are attracted to older women (30s/40s) that are supposed to be out of the “hot zone” of 18-24 – so I can def see some younger women being attracted to older men for various reasons.
The angle that came to mind w.r.t. her saying she would not do it for $$$ is that perhaps she is currently unable to wrap her head around being paid for sex and thus considering of herself or thinking of herself as a prostitute.
My 1.5 cents.
I once asked her why she was fucking an old man instead of banging hot young guys (she's 26 - was 20 when we met). She gave me the same lines about liking mature men; having had her fill of "kids" who don't know what they're doing. She truly seems to enjoy my company and is the one who introduced me to my ATF and is very aware of my years of travails with her.
My theory is that she has her own fantasy where she's not a whore and this is her way of justifying it.
1) Other PLs have pulled out "impressive" business cards on her before. For, what, $25 for a couple hundred cards at FedEx Office, what creep couldn't get cards like that made up?
2) LE has pulled out business cards like that on her or maybe some of her friends before -- and then busted them when it was time to do the deed.
3) She wants to check out your credentials first and will negotiate a price after she verifies you're a lawyer and gets an idea just how much you can actually drop on her.