If you had to put this in order; 1- best. How would it go?
** With the exceptions of #3&4, I'm thinking of giving myself a small local vacation. In which order should I hit up these clubs? Your wisdom is much appreciated!! ;)
Use TUSCL and go to the clubs with the reviews that match your preferences/goals. You can't necessarily judge a club by its legal limitations. Personally I don't like to play amateur gynecologist so I'm not afraid of a bikini club if it has good dancers.
Just MHO:
Topless bar (not bikini bar) booze, and topless. This is my favorite by far: sit and get drunk and party with the girls, then have sex with them OTC
Nude club: Nude is great, but no alcohol puts it behind topless alcohol bars for me. Although at the nude clubs I do go to, I'll often bring in a water bottle that's been refilled with vodka, and share with my CF, if I have one
Hostess club: never been to one, no idea what it's like, kinda curious. If some form of OTC is available, then it sounds kinda fun
AMP: just not my thing, on any level, from degree of human trafficking (I realize this is controversial), to the overall experience
Topless
Nude - the majority of the nude clubs where I have been, there are always a decent number of dancers you don't even want to see in a bikini let alone totally nude. On the other hand, if all the girls looked as good as they do in say "Baby Dolls in Dallas" or "Bourbon Street in Phoenix" then I would prefer full nude as my top choice.
AMP - I do not like AMPs but I do like massage parlors which are prevalent in Canada and have stripper quality girls giving you massages, not sex, but hand jobs and there are times that I enjoy those sessions over going to a strip club.
Hostess - never had that experience
I'm not familiar with bikini bars or hostess clubs.
Really the options for a SC should have been nude, topless, bikini; but I know you are from Jacksonville where it's either nude/no-alcohol (2 clubs) or biking/with-alcohol.
I don't like bikini clubs at all and only go to one if it's sorta what's available in the area (we don't have any down here in South FL).
I don't necessarily need full nudity – topless w/ a g-string is fine but all things being equal I guess I'd take nude over topless in part b/c I think in nude clubs the dancers may be more risqué and perhaps offer higher mileage. Most nude clubs that offer nude dances are BYOB and that's fine w/ me since I don't drink much (plus one could probably bring their drink) – some nude clubs w/ alcohol offer full-nudity on certain conditions; i.e. full-nude on stage and no-contact table dances but topless (w/ bottoms on) 2-way contact LDs; which is the case in South FL.
My preference is either topless or full-nude and would go w/ whichever club offered the most mileage which IME is sorta the nude clubs.
I choose #1. Then #1. Then #1, and finish off with #1.
Choices 3 (AMP) and 4 (hostess club) are odd and don't really belong on this board. Of the three kinds of actual strip clubs, my ranking would be: (a) topless with alcohol (b) nude w/o alcohol (c) bikini bar Fortunately the hard choice between (a) and (b) needn't be made in Chicago Heights and Harvey, where Skybox, Club O, and Club 390 are nude with alcohol and Jimmy's offers nude LDs. I'm not a fan of bikini bars in principle, but I've had surprisingly good times at Heavenly Bodies in Elk Grove Village, Bobby's in Stone Park, and Parkway Tropics in Grand Rapids.
I like just about everyone else prefer the topless bar with booze/
I don't understand choosing alcohol over pussy. Smoke weed and see em fully nude.
I'm not a drinker, so alcohol really doesn't factor into my choices. Still:
Topless clubs generally have slightly better looking dancers from what I have seen. That plus alcohol puts it over nude clubs for me. I have no interest in bikini clubs nor amps and what's a hostess club?
What's a hostess club anyway? Twinkies? Potato chips?
;) thanks to everyone!
Nude no alcohol.
Why are there other choices. I can drink a beer at home. I can't see 20 yo pussy at home.
Nude, no alcohol. I don't drink when I'm out, so the presence or absence of booze is a non factor.
Well done massage with HJ or BJ at the end. And for those deriding the inclusion of a HJ in that, come back when you've had one from a woman who knows what she's doing before commenting.
Topless with booze. Drunk idiots can spoil things, but that's usually offset by tipsy or buzzed dancers, which tends to be more fun.
Any club, bikini, hostess or other, where the girls will get naked and fuck for a reasonable price.
Yes, the top spot is a tie.
"1. Well done massage with HJ or BJ at the end. And for those deriding the inclusion of a HJ in that, come back when you've had one from a woman who knows what she's doing before commenting. "
That's a good point. I should change my earlier response. I don't -- and won't -- do AMPs for the reasons I cited above, but am a huge fan of FBSM (which is what "bodyrubs" are called here, but taken to high art), it is pretty awesome. It's a completely different experience than a strip club though -- not either/or, for me.
For you guys who don't know what a hostess bar is (and I haven't been to one either)... These are common in parts of Asia, and you can find them anywhere there's a decent-sized Asian population (eg., silicon valley). You sit down at the table (with your buddies if you're not flying solo), beautiful girl(s) come sit with you, you buy them drinks and that buys you a certain amount of their time. You all sit and drink and talk together -- the girls are picked and trained to be delightful conversationalists and socializers. Kind of like an alcohol strip club, except the girl is dressed and never goes on stage, and she's more skilled at keeping you entertained socially since she's not doing dances. Supposedly, it is to some extent common that the girls are available for OTC type action, and this might be where they make a lot of their $.
Like I said, sounds fun, would love to grab a bunch of buddies and try it at least once
Hostess Club: Is that where she sucks the creamy filling from your golden sponge cake?
I unknowingly went to a hostess club in Japan back in 2006. It is basically what Subraman said. They also did karaoke and sometimes would dance on your lap. Some of the bolder girls would offer a HJ or BJ in a secluded corner of the club. FS was for outside the club only although you had to pay the mamasan a hefty bar fee on top of paying the girl
I just looked it up on Wiki, where it's claimed that at some hostess bars, OTC is expected of the girls, and they can be fired if they don't book enough of it... interdasting!
gewings: do guys go there alone, like they often do with strip clubs, or is it generally more social? For some reason, I always picture a table full of guys and girls together, not 1:1
If you like beautiful naked women ans wnt a real treat, fly to Munich and go to an FKA club. Its better than breathing.
Hostess club sounds boring as shit.
Subraman: I went with a friend of mine but most of the men were middle-aged Japanese men and it seemed like all of them went there alone.
no actual STRIP club? I need the removal of clothes as an option otherwise this list is broken
I need bottoms on my hoes. I don't mind grabbing tits and ass but I don't want dirty pussy rubbing all on my pants. I'm not going to fuck her.
Hostess club sounds interesting to me, especially if the girls also sit on laps... But only if reasonable priced OTC is available
Diamond Jim's in Columbus Ohio is listed on TUSCL as a hostess club. I have a friend that frequents the place and he refers to it as a "Jack Joint". Buy the girls $20 drinks and get a free HJ or maybe even a BBBJ once you are known there.
Hostess Clubs are not that common, and I have never been to one, but I am interested. Some in places like Indiana and North Carolina sound to be FS. The 4x Los Angeles ones do not seem to be, but it sounds like lots of the girls do OTC regularly. I even saw an add from one of the girls, "GFE For All".
The places sound nice to me, and very GFE oriented, especially in Starlight and Fantasy.
At the basic AMPs there is nothing like "trafficking" involved. Unless you mean like shuffling girls back and forth between LA and SJ, just because they want to protect their reputations. Most AMP girls live very nice lives.
The only exception would be some of the huge shops in San Francisco. They will have like 25 girls at a time. These girls have just come to the country, but they are free to come and go as they please. This was written about in the Chronicle, about Koreans.
Mostly I like Vietnamese, and they live very well.
As far as strip clubs, in California nude means no alcohol. I like no alcohol, even though it usually means a cover charge and other devices rigged to extract money. No alcohol means better girls, and it also means exemption from a whole extra layer of rules and enforcement.
But in general, of course nude is better.
With alcohol means topless in many places. In Santa Clara County they have extra alcohol rules, so it means bikini. But these places are still fun and they can be cheap. Its talking and flirting and the girls still go the extra distance on stage. So you can get to know them and they are just ordinary and quite dateable girls.
SJG sites.google.com
Skibum: "If you like beautiful naked women ans wnt a real treat, fly to Munich and go to an FKA club. Its better than breathing."
Okay, never heard of an FKA club, do tell! I assume I can find reviews if I look around? But would love to hear you summarize what it's like, thanks man
^ they are called FKK clubs and seem to be mostly in Germany but also in a few other countries - look at londonguy's reviews (tuscl.net) or do a search for "FKK" in the different German cities here on TUSCL.
Never been to an FKK club, but the reviews make it sound like they are fantastic!
I've been to Hostess clubs in Japan, I didn't know there were any here in the US. You spend a few hundred bucks in one, get drunk, chat up some hot chicks, almost certainly make arrangements to OTC, and sing some karaoke. If you reach VIP status, the club may even invite you to events off site, like bowling or similar shit. What it amounted to for me was a great opportunity to fuck filipina chicks. Lots of them. You find girls of all backgrounds, Japanese of course and other various asian, russian, euro even Americans sprinkled in.
Fly to Baltimore! Clubs there are full nude with alcohol (LDs with. G-strings, unless you really have a good relationship with the dancer) or nude-all-the-time BYOB.
By Hostess Clubs here, I was speaking of hostess dancing, sometimes referred to as Taxi Dancing.
I did not mean the hostess bars, which are more of an Asian custom and I would say are just a waste of money.
There are 4 remaining Hostess Dancing clubs in LA, plus a few in North West Indiana and in North Carolina.
SJG sites.google.com
The nude clubs I've been to have been BYOB which would be my preference anyway. The downside is that in my limited experience, nude clubs tend to have girls that don't look as good and also a less number of girls. Plus some nude clubs limit the contact for private dances.
Going by how much fun I've had in past experiences
the rest I wouldn't be interested enough to entertain. you can see bikinis at the beach. you can approach the girls and talk to them. you can strike up a conversation with anyone and i'd rather have genuine interest than paid interest. i'll pay for nudity and grinding though.
As I know, a BYOB clubs is probably a members only club. So as that is no longer a retail biz open to the public, it is exempt from all sorts of laws about public lewdness. So while not exempt from PC-647b, it is still very hard for LE to enforce anything in such a place. So it should be that anything goes.
Where I live, the nude clubs have no alcohol, so girls can start at 18yo. Most of them are very good looking. It is then later that they move on to the bikini or topless places, as you have to be 21yo because of the alcohol.
Most of the girls who put on a good show in those clubs are ones who have lost all self consciousness by first showing it all in the nude clubs.
Clubs with alcohol are subject to a whole bunch of extra rules, rules which don't apply anyplace else.
For me, the only advantage of the topless or bikini alcohol clubs is just that they are cheaper and sometimes the girls are willing to engage in more uncompensated talking. I enjoy them, don't get me wrong.
Generally I would say that it is a minority on a forum like this who are willing to pay for grinding. Most of the regular posters are accustomed to a steady diet of FS-ITC.
SJG sites.google.com
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@san_jose_guy "As I know, a BYOB clubs is probably a members only club"
no you fucking dumbass a BYOB club is not a members only club. this is yet another in a long, long list that includes everything you've ever posted which has no basis in fact.
why don't you stick to searching google for the ideal Denny's parking lot that you can live in under the radar instead of pretending you know anything about anything.
Okay, that earned a laugh. SJG, "BYOB" is "Bring Your Own Beer (or Booze)." BYOB bars don't have to worry about paying for alcohol or experienced bartenders, and I'm guessing that the licensing is probably cheaper, too.
DoctorPhil, at least he just gave us a Cliff Notes interpretation.
Here in California, if I ran a business establishment and allowed BYOB, I would quickly have charges pending against me, and my business would be closed. Drinking in public places is illegal.
So what you have then are bars and restaurants licensed to serve alcohol, and also having to follow all sorts of special rules, and many of these pertain to adult entertainers.
So what some people do, like those wanting to run Swingers Clubs, is make it a members only establishment. Then, it no longer being a public place there is no prohibition on drinking. it is also exempt from all rules pertaining to public lewdness or sex acts. It is not however exempted from PC-647b, but this becomes extremely hard to enforce. So following the same model, you have in many places now membership strip clubs.
But it would still be illegal for them to sell alcohol. So they say BYOB.
I know that this is how it is working at many of these much loved places in Prince George County Maryland.
Anyway, I don't think these basic alcohol law issues are that much different from state to state. If a club could legally sell alcohol, then I am sure that they would, and make good money. So there must be some reason they are going BYOB instead. The reason is that they have become a members only place. And again remember, drinking in a public place that is not licensed to serve alcohol, like say the sidewalk, a park, a restaurant, or a store, is illegal. I believe this is true in all 50 states.
Now in New Orleans they are extremely lax. They do allow outdoor drinking so long as the container is not made of glass.
Perhaps Quemafia would like to tell us more about these BYOB places and how they operate, and why they do it that way, and where they are.
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^^^^^ hey dumbass. at the risk of being redundant i'll repeat myself:
why don't you stick to searching google for the ideal Denny's parking lot that you can live in under the radar instead of pretending you know anything about anything.
SJG, you can't judge the world by California's laws alone, let alone by whatever laws apply to wherever it is you actually live. BYOB bars are probably a lot more common that you can imagine, and there's nothing illegal about them today (local ordinances providing, of course). In fact, "BYOB" has its own category here on TUSCL. Here's a listing for just one of them:
Man, I'd love it if they had BYOB around here!
So PhantomGeek, we'd talked about this BYOB issue about a year ago.
Thanks for telling me where one of these places is.
Just to make sure we are on the same page here, are you saying that they allow BYOB in some sort of a retail business which is generally open to all adults who pay the cover charge, but they don't require you to do something in order to become a member?
Sorry, but I am skeptical.
All it would take to make you a member is they copy your id and make you sign something, and collect a one time small fee.
I am not aware of any place in the US where they could do BYOB and not be making you a member.
Do you know of places in other cities or states?
As I know, there are lots of BYOB places across the country now, but all of them require that you become a member.
The model they are using comes from Swingers Clubs. We are saturated with those in California. Their head quarters is in So Cal nasca.com
The issue is that LE often targets Swingers too. Even if there is zero hint of pay for play going on, they still try to get them.
It comes up at their conventions. This has been both in LA and SD. They rent a big conference room and suits. But if there is any alcohol or lewd conduct in the public areas of the hotel, LE can bust them. LE has sent letters to the hotel corporations trying to intimidate them into refusing the event.
So they have to be very careful about alcohol and lewdness in areas which could be open to the public.
There have been huge showdowns over this:
So what they do is get themselves out of retail businesses. Homes are great. And also a retail type building where they require membership.
But then having done this, they cannot apply for an alcohol license. So they go BYOB.
So are there local strip clubs like this? Yes there are, or have been. A Kit Kat ( now Sunnyvale Cheetahs ) dancer I was very friendly with told me of "private clubs". I'm sure of what she must have meant, Edgewater West, by the Oakland Airport. It was an "adult resort". A three story motel with a pool in the middle. They also had lapdancers on some nights. A good portion of these dancers were black, though not all. No one has ever said this, but I visited the place and I am sure they were also doing P4P, both in the lap dance area and in the suites. I know this is what this Sunnyvale dancer was referring to.
Now strict swingers will be abhorred by this. But they did it.
So what happened? Well if you've read my stuff you will know. The local authorities made redevelopment plans, and then they demolished the building.
But what is going on now in many other states with the members only strip clubs ( Gary Indiana, Sights in Newark New Jersey, and in Prince George County Maryland, and elsewhere ) is following the same legal model.
Techinically LE could bust a retail strip club for lewd conduct. All the more so is if has an alcohol license.
So instead, they make it non-public and have people sign a release, and then go BYOB. This exempts them from all lewd conduct and public sex restrictions. So long as they can't prove that it is p4p, you could have sex with a girl on the stage.
Are you really sure that this Iowa place is not compiling a list of members? I agree that their web site doesn't say anything about membership. But as I know BYOB in a retail place is going to be illegal in at least most of the country.
How many other cities and states do you know of there being BYOB places where the patrons are not required to become members?
Here: en.wikipedia.org
Also FWIW, about BYOB in a liquor licensed California establishment. Can't do this either. If someone comes into a bar with their own, must ask them to leave, or hold their stuff for them behind the counter.
George's Rockin' Robin ( SJ dive strip club ) got in trouble over this. Actually it was because they forgot to give someone their stuff back. Because they have dancers, the ABC enforcers overlook nothing.
Where I live, the enforcers are really tough with these places.
SJG sites.google.com
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for the love of Mike. look you dumbass, know-nothing assclown you need to stop because now you are becoming alucard stupid. you do not have the slightest idea what the fuck you are talking about (as usual).
@san_jose_guy “Also FWIW, about BYOB in a liquor licensed California establishment. Can't do this either. If someone comes into a bar with their own, must ask them to leave, or hold their stuff for them behind the counter.”
wrong, wrong and wrong. yes you can do this in California, no they don’t have to ask you to leave and NO the establishment may not store the BYOB even momentarily:
“CALIFORNIA - BYO REGULATIONS
Summary
In California, there is no overall prohibition that prevents a business, which is properly licensed, from allowing an adult customer to bring in his/her own alcoholic beverages and have those beverages served to guests. Restaurants who permit this activity often charge a corkage fee, but it is not mandatory.
Details
Controlling Authority: California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control State Laws Regarding Alcohol: Business and Professions Code Section 23000-23047
Can a person bring wine into a restaurant that is not licensed? • BYO alcohol is allowed only in licensed restaurants.
Can a person bring wine into a restaurant while the restaurant is applying for a license? • No, as per Section 25657.
Can restaurants store or use the wine brought in BYO? • Licensed restaurants cannot store or use BYO wine. • Unlicensed restaurants may not allow BYO.”
and the California State Board of Equalization is clear that “corkage fees” charged for BYOB are fully taxable:
“Facility usage Note: The following information applies to restaurants, hotels, and similar establishments. Charges by restaurants, hotels, and similar establishments for the use of premises where meals, food, or drinks are served are taxable, whether or not the charge is separately stated on the invoice.
Charges for serving customer-furnished food and beverages Charges for cutting and serving customer-furnished food and beverages are taxable. For example, a “corkage fee” for opening customer-furnished wine is taxable.”
despite your ignorant and erroneous bullshit ascertains, BYOB is permitted in one form or fashion almost everywhere in the USA. in some places such as California the establishment must have a liquor license, in some like Alabama the establishment can NOT have a liquor license and in some such as South Carolina it doesn’t matter either way and membership is not a factor at all.
and really - California swingers as a business model inspiration? holy shit are you fucking stupid. corkage fees are hundreds of years old, known throughout the world and if anything is responsible for the business model of BYOB it is corkage fees.
i’m not even going to start on the ridiculousness of you asinine proposition that drinking in public is illegal everywhere. that is just too stupid…
so in sum san_jose_guy it is time for you to get the fuck off the computer and stop spouting crap about shit that you have no experience with, no knowledge of and no basis to even form an opinion on.
for real, it is time you stop riding up and down Alvarado on you pee wee herman bicycle looking adolescent girls, grow some balls, buy a bus ticket and go to Mexico. then when they show zero emotion while dousing you with cheap PEMEX gasolina and setting you ablaze for being the racist pederast dick you are maybe you will finally realize that you fabricated a lunatic fantasy about the Mexican culture just like everything else in your psycho fantasy world.
^^^^^^ ...ascertains... should read ...assertions... and
.... bicycle looking adolescent girls... should read ...bicycle looking for adolescent girls...
i could blame autocorrect but truth is i was out drinking (legally) in public - k sara, k sara
This would appear to be for restaurants which serve beer and wine only. They are not licensed as bars. There cannot be hard liquor. They still must have that restaurant alcohol license. I don't think PG was talking about such a situation.
Interesting: boe.ca.gov
PG, I did look on a list about that state you speak of. Sounds like is has the most typical of alcohol laws. Is there any evidence you see there that people can BYOB other places in that city or state, or that public drinking is legal?
What it sounds like is that the only exceptions are New Orleans, some places that do Spring Break and some college campuses, and then some specially permitted tailgate parties or special festivals.
Most strip clubs go with the alcohol license + pussy = lots of money system.
For a club to decline the license is unusual. There would seem to need to be a reason. In Calif and some other states, it is because that is the only way they can have nudity, plus avoid lots of extra regulations. But this does not allow BYOB. To do that it has to be a non-public place, like a membership club.
And yes, George's Rockin' Robin, formerly in East San Jose, did get into trouble over allowing people to BYOB. Other bar operators have talked to me about this. They are not restaurants and do not have the same sort of license.
So this place PG speaks of, I still suspect they decline the license because it imposes lots of new regulations, many of which do pertain to adult entertainers, and then because they have decided to be membership club and avoid the public lewdness rules.
They might be trying to down play the fact that it is a membership club. If they scan people's id, but don't tell people, maybe they can get away with it and still not frighten people off.
How many other people have been to BYOB strip clubs, and where were they? Was it clear or not clear that by paying and entering that they were being made members? Is there any other explanation for why the club would do this, except to avoid liquor licensing laws which pertain to strippers, and to avoid the general lewdness and public sex acts laws?
SJG sites.google.com
@san_jose_guy “This would appear to be for restaurants which serve beer and wine only. They are not licensed as bars. There cannot be hard liquor.”
for fuck sake you are about the stupidest poster to ever post on TUSCL. California liquor licenses are either for limited beer/wine or hard alcohol which allows for the whole spectrum. the same law covers both
now this will no doubt come as a shock to you but California restaurants such as HOOTERS that you claim to have actually gone to in real life not only can but often times do have a hard liquor license with full bar service even including Mexican tequila (and btw the Hooters restaurant that you claim to have been to has a hard liquor license with full bar service).
and get this the hard liquor license for hotels/restaurants is the exact SAME liquor license that a stand-alone bar holds. as far as state law in California goes the LEGAL ability to bring your own to either a restaurant or bar is limited only by the permission of the license holder, normal drinking hours apply and what is brought in cannot exceed the type allowed by the license (i.e. no hard liquor may be brought in to a beer/wine only licensed establishment).
AND THERE IS NO FUCKING MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENT WHETHER YOU TAKE BYOB TO THE FUCKING OLIVE GARDEN OR YOUR LOCAL HOLE IN THE WALL DIVE BAR YOU STUPID FUCK.
bottom line is as usual you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about and as always you are fucking wrong but that doesn’t even register with you.
“alucard of the silicon valley” is a fucking understatement. moron
SJG, are you fucking serious? Fucking Beach Girls in fucking Des Moines, Iowa IS NOT A FUCKING MEMBERSHIP CLUB! IT'S A FUCKING STRIP JOINT! IT ISN'T FUCKING RETAIL! They don't scan IDs and draft you as a member! When I went a few years ago, they didn't even wand me for any weapons. People brought in their own beer. If you wanted a pop or a bottle of water, you could hit the vending machines. I have no fucking idea why they decided to go BYOB nor do I fucking care. A number of the clubs in the Des Moines area are like this, and I don't fucking care why!
Now quit coming up with these fucking asinine hypotheses and square-pegging every little detail into it. Try getting out of your fucking basement, gather your data empirically, then try to build a fucking hypothesis around that!
(Note to self: Remember you've got this moron on Ignore for a reason. Quit reading his posts.)
Nude byob clubs with contact. They do exist, most notably in Texas but in other isolated areas as well.
If I am forced to forego some nudity in order to be able to drink, I will usually do so. Truth be told, most dry clubs that I have visited have weird, quiet pervy vibes to them. I am not really too interested in hanging out in places often filled with old guys in gym shorts carrying around bottles of water.
Too much to read where sjg said beach girls is membership only but I was there few months ago... No membership mentioned. As far as I know membership and BYOB are not synonymous.
Dr.Phil wrote,
"the hard liquor license for hotels/restaurants is the exact SAME liquor license that a stand-alone bar holds"
This is definitely not true. A local strip club got busted over just this issue. Actually there were things going on with the girls, but they got hit for this too. Like many pre-war restaurants in California, it was set up as one half being the bar and one half being the restaurant. Lots of newer places are like this too.
They have a different license from a stand alone bar. And this is different from the license for a restaurant. This was written up in the local newspaper, along with the other issues. They hadn't used the restaurant in many years. It was all just a bar - strip club now. So they had to apply and get the correct license for just being a bar, as well as deal with other criminal charges.
Never seen any place which has a liquor license and which allows BYOB. The one exception would by what Dr. Phil pointed out, in restaurants with the wine and beer license, the 'corking fee'.
PhantomGeek wrote: "Fucking Beach Girls in fucking Des Moines, Iowa IS NOT A FUCKING MEMBERSHIP CLUB! IT'S A FUCKING STRIP JOINT! IT ISN'T FUCKING RETAIL! "
Well a business where anyone of the proper age can pay and enter is most definitely a retail business.
So then the same questions can still be raised, How and Why?
You say other places are like this in Des Moines. Interesting. I had looked up a state by state alcohol list, and Iowa is just like most other states. Nothing unusual. Maybe Des Moines allows such things?
Could you walk into a Burger King with a beer? Drink on the sidewalk? This is a curious situation.
And then Why? Usually it is that by making it a membership club, they are exempted from public lewdness and sex act laws. Then by foregoing the alcohol license they are also exempted from all sorts of other regulations which pertain to adult entertainers.
This is all both important and interesting because it gets to what is possible. Remember, I've had extensive experience with the talent agents and dancers at a local underground circuit. What they did was way beyond what the advertised clubs can get away with. It worked for a while. Then they got hit with a sledge hammer.
rick dugan wrote: "most dry clubs that I have visited have weird, quiet pervy vibes to them"
Interesting view. In California and Las Vegas, except for the Palamino, no full nudity unless they forego alcohol. So the world famous San Francisco clubs which once were at the fore front are all no alcohol.
chessmaster wrote:
"As far as I know membership and BYOB are not synonymous."
It if is not a membership club, then it is considered a public place and drinking is usually going to be illegal. So swingers clubs and now a few strip clubs are going this way to exempt themselves from public lewdness and sex act laws. LE has a history of being very tough on swingers clubs too, even when there is zero allegation of P4P. But then the only alcohol they can have is BYOB.
Still not clear what is going on at this Beach Girls in Des Moines. Local laws different from most other places? They're just playing it both ways, membership club with no membership list and no membership fees and the members don't even know that they are members? Curious.
Has anyone else been to membership strip clubs, and where it was also BYOB?
They are in North East Indiana, Prince George County Maryland, and Sights in Newark New Jersey. But there are others in other places too.
SJG sites.google.com
chessmaster wrote in a review of Beach Girls: "byob but no hard liquor allowed apparently"
This seems to be inside the incorporated area as this Rancoon River is the boarder. But it is in West Des Moines. Though I am not actually able to locate the building.
Well here, they definitely do grant liquor licenses:
" The City of West Des Moines does not require you to obtain a business license. However, this site will help you decide which types of other licenses you may need." wdm.iowa.gov
Here are state by state, laws, but it does not say there is anything unusual about Iowa alcohollaws.org
West Des Moines definitely does enforce on its alcohol license holders wdm.iowa.gov
"In Iowa, it is illegal to consume alcohol or be intoxicated in a public place (except in establishments licensed to serve alcohol). " criminaldefenselawyer.com Just like in California!
Public place, not licensed to serve alcohol = illegal to consume alcohol or be intoxicated. I don't know how it could be made more clear that this.
"... possessing an open alcohol container in public is illegal for the vast majority of the country. A handful of exemptions exist in the following regions: the historic district of Savannah Georgia, the Power and Lights District in Kansas City, the Strip in Las Vegas, the French Quarter of New Orleans, and Butte Montana. All except Butte, Montana have some type of restriction on the container type or size." opencontainerlaws.com
This still remains a complex, though interesting subject.
I had before much enjoyed Club-Ante in San Mateo. It was the space underneath Club Vibes. Vibes had it's door out on the street, and it was a blues club.
Ante was just a place you entered from the side door with a very small sign and no real publicity. Dancers had told me about it.
I really enjoyed the place and had lots of experience with harder core dancers there, the one's who don't follow any rules except their own.
At some point I realized that probably Vibes was fully licenced, but Ante was not. Ante belonged to the same person, and they had blocked off the two stair cases which connected the two. So Ante was then just a backroom or basement for Vibes. So on official papers Ante was never mentioned and official San Mateo had no knowledge that they had a strip club in town. So this was rather like the table dancing circuit which ran in San Jose and Gilroy Mexican bars. There was nothing on paper which acknowledged it's existence.
Of course Police came to know that Ante existed. Eventually San Mateo got the building demolished.
Other people have experience with BYOB clubs? How are they doing this, and Why are they doing this? And then, what do you think of it?
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Chaka Khan, Roxie bing.com
