OTC prostitution?

None of the strippers I've paid for sex thinks she's a prostitute. Prostitutes, they seem to believe, are women in stand on street corners and have sex with anyone who comes along.

They have a point. Strippers can meet their clients in advance and select who they sleep with. Perhaps "call girl" or "party girl" or "courtesan" is a better term than prostitute. Or maybe they should just be called "strippers."

Encountered what? Prostitutes who claim to be something else, or strippers have been raped?

Seen both.

Far too many of the latter.

Agree that sex workers have interesting ideas about labels. Rape is when a man forces sex upon a woman against her will. The circumstances don't matter. If she willingly fucked a guy who then didn't pay, it's theft and fraud, but not rape.

I tried for a while to get a dancer OTC before I met the DS and she refused because of a "bad experience" with another customer. She never would tell me maybe details but it clearly scared her away from any future otc. I assume that dancers can't call the cops if an otc customer abuses them because they are legally engaging in prostitution even if they won't call it that.

I always try to be sensitive to dancers security concerns and go out of my way to assure them that I am no threat in any Otc discussion.

I have had two OTC experiences. I found the experiences fun.
But, usually I like to keep it in the club.
One girl who I would visit quite frequently would call it a "private party".
I know she hated stripping. So, she was trying to develop a rotation
of regulars she could meet up with through the week and avoid stripping altogether.
She would text me on Wednesday to set something up for the weekend.
It was cool for awhile but became annoying after awhile. I visited the club one day.
She was working. I bought dances from another girl. She was pissed and texted me when I
got home. She never wanted to speak to me again. Problem solved.
I sometimes miss her but, I go to a strip club to sample different girls.
She overreacted. Thankfully she no longer works at my favorite club.
A girl I am crazy about asked me twice if I would be interested in OTC.
She said don't tell so and so. That so and so was the girl mentioned previously
Now I know why. I was intimidated at first so we didn't meet up outside the club.
A second offer was made by her. I accepted. We messed around after her shift
in my truck in a parking lot. It was ok. She is hot. But the whole time she kept
telling me to watch out for people. Also, it was closed quarters. Hard to move around.
It was much too rushed. I am going to ask again. But, I am going to require a hotel.

I have known a few strippers that also did OTC action on the side. A couple were actually escorts that only danced when they needed to "replenish" there client list and used the strip club as a safer environment to screen potential clients. My former ATF actually danced at a club where "extras" we're not allowed, and she used it to her advantage by getting customers all worked up, and when they wanted more she would tell them " Can't do it here, cameras everywhere, and then would set up some OTC action (was how she hooked me). As far as cost, IMO I agree with others, is usually a premium of about 1 1/2 as much as a backpage escort, but there is a lot less to worry about, as you usually know up front what she looks like, what's on the menu, how she feels and smells (hygiene), her general attitude, and most importantly that she isn't LE. Also, generally your going to her place and not a hotel, and therefore your not paying for a hotel room that your only using for an hour or two.

I have been offered OTC a few times. A few wanted 2 to 3 times a typical escort in the area, but most of the time the prices were around the same price as the average escort. As Impala mentioned a few were escorts who danced to replenish their client list.

Gawker, you might want to stay away from her now. Obviously we don't know if she was really raped or not, but either way she is in victim mentality mode now. You don't want to be the next guy accused of doing something to her against her will.

Yes, lots of them have the idea that they are only prostitutes if they are aggressively soliciting FS sessions. There is some logic to it. If they are passive, then they are just giving guys what they want, while expecting a payment. For them the concept has lots of moral significance.

That idea that consent can be revoked after the fact is dangerous, as is the idea that breach of contract constitutes rape.

There had been an episode of NYPD Blue where a woman was alleging rape, by a guy she met at a disco and took home with her. But to listen to her talk, it sounded like it was rape because he had lied to her about something, probably his marital status. But then despite the fact that it sounded this way, it turned out that the guy had priors. So just because a woman sounds flakey when describing a rape, this does not mean that it is not true.

In the Spectator there was an article, first person, about a woman who went to do an escort session, in Santa Cruz. But she was raped, forced to engage in sex without consent. And she did go to the cops. And the cops laughed at her. It should not be like this. They should have accepted the case and arrested the guy.

I think rickdugan is right, better to stay away from sex with women who are screwballs. They can really mess you up.

SJG

Walter Scott shooting
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help- what is DS? It's not in the glossary and my mind just can't put it together. Thanks.

Never mind :)

In my area all us guys call it OTC due to the popularity of this Website. The girls all call it a "private show". They don't look at it as any more than "extreme stripping". In fact some or most of the girls will do a dance in front of the bed for you before they get in. In fact several of the clubs cater private parties with dancers. I have been in clubs where the manager comes around asking the girls for volunteers to work "private shows".

I never used to call outside the club as an abbreviation for anything except meeting up with a dancer away from the club. At one time I used to routinely leave a club with a dancer and would take her home too. Since this was a routine thing for me and this was years ago, I probably spent several hours during the night away from strip clubs going about town, visiting regular bars with a dancer or doing other things about town. I just wanted to note this because I never considered OTC as meaning anything else but I have seen where many guys now give a different meaning to the abbreviation. Strip clubs closed early in the area back then. 2am.

I could try to think of a new term to avoid confusion and not imply I'm engaging in sexual activity every time I meet someone because I usually was not. It was just boring to end the night at the early hour of 2 am. She was actually a year or two older than me at the time. Young guys can hook up. I stopped routinely doing all that years ago.

Oh, it might be a bad idea to look at dancers on Facebook if you want to remain anonymous. I think a dancer I know must have looked at my profile because you pop up on suggested friends after you view their profile. She popped up on my suggested friends list after she probably saw me pop up. just an FYI. I'm wondering why another dancer I do not know keeps popping up. I only looked at her profile one time. I think everyone typically drops down the suggested friends list among the gazillion people on the list with no connections or viewing activity. I see another dancer whom I recognized fading down the list. I liked it better when Facebook didn't put 3 suggested friends in the middle of your timeline news. It keeps popping up with dancer faces on my timeline. It's possible Facebook tracked me visiting this web site and connects dancer with suggested friends high up on suggested friends if you ever viewed ther profile. Facebook tracks everything. I just consider it a CIA tracking site now with free benefits. You can't delete certain information either, only hide or archive it.

If their phone number or any of their friends phone numbers or email addresses are in your phone it uses that information to suggest friends. Because I am friends with a bartender at one club it suggests all the dancers there as friends who she is friends with on FB.

Private show at the foot of the bed? I really like that visual aspect of sexual encounters. Most civilian women don't get it. Massage girls are often weak in that aspect too.

SJG