I like "The Average Response Time 911 Call: 23 Minutes. The Response Time Of A .357: 1400 Feet Per Second”
That pretty much sums up my philosophy in regard to home defense. However, I would use my 12-gauge pump shotgun rather than my S&W 357 magnum.
Josh,
The "nuts" are the ones that I have guns to protect myself from. If you really think (and yes, you as well, rock) think that guns are the problem, I pity your ignorance.
22 gun laws broken in Columbine. So would have 30 prevented it? 40? Maybe 50 laws?
And if you think you cam outlaw guns, then you are not just ignorant, but rather stupid, as well.
jack,
Agreed, much less chance of needing more than one shot and disturbing the neighbors.
Clubber... Great Reply.
Also if an intruder is in your house and they hear you pump that shotgun.... I know they will be turning tail and running. That is the most familiar sound people associate with a gun. Look at all the films. Before someone shoots a pump shotgun in a film they pump it.
Also to everyone who thinks more gun laws are needed. Most of the guns that are in criminals hands were bought illegally or were stolen. Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the nation and look at the crime and gun violence rate. Criminals get guns dispite laws. Just look at all the drug laws in the nation yet we still have high drug usage rates. But yet people want to make drug laws more lax. That is a different topic. There is also proof crime follows drugs (even legal ones) because people will steal to obtain money to get the drugs. those stats will come out in about 2 years from Colorado. But I digress.
@Clubber: "And if you think you cam outlaw guns, then you are not just ignorant, but rather stupid, as well."
Guns are here to stay, that's for sure. Actually the first T-shirt -- which looks likes a joke -- was used in a campaign ad by Greg Abbott in the Governor race against Wendy Davis over in TX. And Davis is getting her ass kicked. I think the GOP is going to win big in the midterms.
So you win Clubber...you got me!
Josh43.... You live in Texas... Where in some counties it is easier to get a gun than Alcohol.
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But you never know what this mid term will bring. to be honest all of them in Washington need to have their heads checked. The thing that bothers me is that they forget that no matter what party they are that 60% of the country has different beliefs than they do. Or their party does. So they need to remember that they govern for the whole nation not just 40% of the nation. That is the issue. IMHO.
Here is an example....and just look at the numbers or percentages. The healthcare law. Now it is good and bad. But the push was that they wanted to make everyone have healthcare. They number most talked about was 30,000 million don't have health insurance. Well that is 10% of the US population. So they made a law that effected 100% of the population (good and bad) for 10% of the they said they were fighting for. Does that make sense??? Make a law that effects everyone to try and help 10%. Again just look at those numbers. And Like I mentioned it help people in other ways but also hurt many others. My insurance keeps going up and I am not in the bracket that can get subsides. So I am fucked!!! But I digress.
Violent crime in Chicago is actually way down the last 10 years, as it is in most of the country. The reason criminals have so many guns in Chicago is because a few miles away is Indiana, where you can buy a sack full of guns at a gun show, and illegally take them to Chicago. Without federal laws requiring more ID at purchase, this will continue.
Few people want to ban guns, but having reasonable background checks and closing the gun show loophole would save a lot of lives and no affect law abiding gun owners.
Violent crime in Chicago is actually way down the last 10 years, as it is in most of the country. The reason criminals have so many guns in Chicago is because a few miles away is Indiana, where you can buy a sack full of guns at a gun show, and illegally take them to Chicago. Without federal laws requiring more ID at purchase, this will continue.
Few people want to ban guns, but having reasonable background checks and closing the gun show loophole would save a lot of lives and not affect law abiding gun owners. I don't thin the 2nd Amendment is in any jeopardy.
@crsm
I don't live in Tx, but the liberal media is pissing all over Greg Abbott about the gun graphic. Again, the GOP is going to win big tonight.
Actually don't have passionate feelings about guns, but I'm strong supporter of the ACA (which is really Romneycare). Without boring the shit out of everyone, I would ask what you would do if you found yourself out of work with a pre existing condition? You would be fucked. The law benefits everyone.
The ACA law benefits medical insurance companies. Lets remember where the money is going. It's not government. It's not doctors. It's not hospitals. The money is going to insurance companies.
As far as Congress goes - all elections are local. Do you think a California senator cares what a Texas resident thinks? Hell no. But the media takes all opinions equally serious while the election laws don't. Is it fucked up? I don't think so - the subcultures are very different (I've lived in both states) even though we hear the generalizations "We're all Americans here, come on now!"
Need we be reminded that he first thing the British, Bolsheviks, Nazis, and Obama wanted to do was ban guns in the name of "Public Safety" so they could protect us better. Hmmmm that did not work out to well for the Jews, or Russian peasants did it! The Brits could not make it stick here then and I pray that it won't stick here now or we will be subjects not citizens. The government already takes more than half of what you make (add it up 7%-10% sales tax + 30% Federal income tax + 12%-15% state income tax + %5 -10% State Property (personal and real estate taxes) + Excise taxes (car and gas taxes) = 60 % to 70%.
You think that percentage will go down if the government looses its fear of the public. We will become slaves to the "ruling class". The world's ruling elitists have been trying since 1776 to bring the USA to heel and now they have groomed an idea-log who is so stupid that he does not even realize that he is enslaving virtually the entire world with our the USA to fight the dark (OR WORSE HE DOES KNOW AND IF PART OF THE PLAN). One only has to look at the mess runaway governments make of everything (the old USSR ecological disaster that is Russia and the Ukraine and what China is currently doing). Virtually the rest of the world cannot feed itself without the USA and if you think food production would go up under government control read "The De-Kulakization of Ivan " it is the story of the collectivization of agriculture in the USSR and the subsequent starvation of all but a select few.
I recently read an article about the richest members of congress and was struck by 4 things:
1] Most of the top 25 wealthiest congressional members are Democrats.
2] All of the rich Republicans have been in congress/senate for a relatively short time.
3] Virtually all the wealthy Republicans had their money before they went to congress due to private success.
4] Virtually all the wealthy Democrats were long time congressional members who were relatively poor when they went to congress and now are some of the wealthiest people in the USA.
I would never deny anyone getting rich as long as they are honest but can anyone tell me how a congress person currently making $150,000 +- can amass $100,000,000.00 while anyone else making that salary living in an expensive city would be hard pressed to gather 1/100 of that amount. DING DING DING the answer is making what is illegal for you and I is legal for them: I.E. insider trading, payoffs, steering government contracts to relatives and cronies for a piece of the action. . Congress has made itself above the laws they make the rest of us live by.That is what happens without TERM LIMITS
Clubber for the win. I think those shirts are funny but I wouldnt wear them. I would rather people not expect what is comming if I need to defend someone I love or myself
Serious questions, this is not meant as a troll or a flame:
(1) In my sleepy and apathetic town, we recently had a special election to allow open-carry in government buildings. For example, the election would permit open-carry in the swimming-pool area where my kids go. For an apathetic town we had an enormous turnout and open-carry won. My question is, why do we need to bring guns into a swimming area, and why do otherwise politically unaware people care so passionately about open-carry? We have so many other important things to worry about. It's fine to have fireams in your house, but I really don't want my kids exposed to that.
(2) My boss and other dudes dragged me along to go shooting at a range after work. The skill involved in target shooting is sorta fun -- but I just don't get the obsession with firearms, themselves. Some dudes (like my co-workers) like fireams the same way that ladies like jewelry. Cars and motorcyclies I understand -- but not guns. What is the obsession all about?
1) A rule (aka sign) won't stop a murderer from walking in there and doing what he wants. But seeing a shit load of guns WILL change their minds. With the nuts and terrorists and criminals out there... kids aren't clueless what is going on "outside the house."
2) The obsession is they see guns in a different way than you do. Take a motorcyclist - they likely see adventure, enjoy the wind in their hair, and a sense of freedom. You can easily wave at other motorcyclists. A non-motorcyclist sees noisy hunks of plastic and steel on two wheels begging to become an organ donor as they scream past in rush hour (and I thought California was bad for this until I got into Detroit).
After all, many will ask, what do you see in a strip club? Isn't it just a bunch of thugs with thug music and thuggery in the parking lot?
Josh43.... On the ACA benefits everyone... NOT ME!!! All I have been is hurt by it. I am a 36 year old single man who owns his own business. All my premiums are doing is going up and up. I am not receving more care or better care. In fact my insurance company is now telling me which doctors I can and can not go see. So again no benefit. But I digress. I will tell you this that some of the stuff in the ACA is good like opening up for pre-existing conditions, making the checks and balances towards insurance companys so they can can't stock pile or give out bonus. They have to show that a huge % of the premiums goes towards actual medical care. Things the ACA didn't touch on is the actual cost of healthcare....I mean to get your knee scoped didn't go down in price. Now look at the minimum wage increases that got vote in.... So people cleaning toliets will get a pay raise....so now HOW DO YOU THINK HOSPITALS WILL PAY FOR THAT???? Yep increase in the actual cost of doing healthcare. But I could go on and on.
Now back to the guns.... Deogol hit the nail on the head. Just like some people like baseball and others like soccer. I also agree with you on why the need to have guns at pools, libraries, city hall, etc.
Crsm-
1). You make a valid point about insurance companies, and most progressives would much rather have single-payer, like the UK. That will never happen here because the Right would scream "socialism"
2) if you are young and healthy, you pay more. Sorry. But someday you will be the beneficiary.
3) You are correct that the ACA limits your choices. Big problem for some.
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