A Walk on the Quick Sand
jackslash
Detroit strip clubs
Driving to my ex-ATF's house, I kept asking myself, "What the hell are you doing?" If I were smart, I thought, I would turn around and go home.
I had ended my relationship with Christie over a year ago. Although we sometimes texted, I had promised myself never to see her again. But when she invited me to come see her and her new baby, I went.
Christie looked wonderful, and her long blonde hair had gotten even longer. Like Christie, her baby girl has blonde hair and blue eyes. Someday she'll be a heartbreaker. Hopefully she won't be a stripper.
Christie was the same, a combination of beauty and fun and disorder. Her house was a mess and so was her life. She now has 2 children by 2 different men. But the men are really the same--uneducated drug-abusers without any ambition or prospects.. Men who don't provide any child support. Christie told me that her little girl's baby daddy could not help with the expenses because he spent all his money on heroin.
I had promised myself never to have sex with Christie again. But when she offered sex to repay the money I had lent her, I agreed for 3 good reasons:
1. This was the only repayment I would ever receive
2. Christie is hot.
3. I'm an idiot
As I was leaving her house, Christie kissed me and said, "I love you." Reflexively, I said, , "I love you too."
Will I see her again? I don't know. I like this girl much too much. She would be perfect for me if she wasn't a lying, cheating whore.
I had ended my relationship with Christie over a year ago. Although we sometimes texted, I had promised myself never to see her again. But when she invited me to come see her and her new baby, I went.
Christie looked wonderful, and her long blonde hair had gotten even longer. Like Christie, her baby girl has blonde hair and blue eyes. Someday she'll be a heartbreaker. Hopefully she won't be a stripper.
Christie was the same, a combination of beauty and fun and disorder. Her house was a mess and so was her life. She now has 2 children by 2 different men. But the men are really the same--uneducated drug-abusers without any ambition or prospects.. Men who don't provide any child support. Christie told me that her little girl's baby daddy could not help with the expenses because he spent all his money on heroin.
I had promised myself never to have sex with Christie again. But when she offered sex to repay the money I had lent her, I agreed for 3 good reasons:
1. This was the only repayment I would ever receive
2. Christie is hot.
3. I'm an idiot
As I was leaving her house, Christie kissed me and said, "I love you." Reflexively, I said, , "I love you too."
Will I see her again? I don't know. I like this girl much too much. She would be perfect for me if she wasn't a lying, cheating whore.
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Wow. Didn't see that one coming.
Ummm....yeah....well....
A kid whose father is an uneducated heroin addict without any ambition or prospects, who she'll probably never even meet, and her Mom is a stripper (aka, lying, cheating whore) who fucks strangers to repay debts.....I'm sure she'll be fine.
"Just when I thought that I was out... they pull me back in!"
You know why she loves you, right?
Baby daddy.....heroin addict....won't help with expenses...jackslash, gives her money and all she needs to do is spread her legs....
Now THAT is love !!!
Good luck on this one bro.
Freakin' hilarious. I laughed out loud at that one...
Gawker can probably give you some good advice on how to handle this situation.
I kind of understand how women like badboys, but this just seems so ridiculous....especially since women in general are so concerned about finding a man who can support them. It is so beyond my comprehension.
Maybe Lopaw will chime in since she might have the womens' perspective.
That's what it was suppose to say
One of the gals at TL was telling me how her boyfriend went to jail because he wasn't on the up-and-up with his cannabis licensing. I've seen this cat drop her off before. Nice ride, decent looking dude, and plenty of cash can be pretty attractive to women, especially risk taking, impetuous women like strippers.
@GoViking - Yes, studies (I'll get the footnotes later) show the more you interact with someone, the more they'll like you.
This applies across the board right up until the point when you get married.
"Money for nothing, chicks for free"
There's a word for it....when people develop a liking for each other as they spend more and more time together...but I'm not sure of the word.
Hopefully Jack or you will know...y'all seem to have very good vocabularies...better than mine that's for sure
Ugh.
But the sex is good because she is awesome to look at.
And you know what?
I think you are going to be just fine because you pushed back and learned your lesson.
If anyone can sympathize or empathize it's me. Jackslash - how the hell did you make the break a year ago?
Why not just see her once in awhile? Too habit forming?
It's funny, many of the established members on here are guilty of this... We find a stripper who we really like for one or another reason. The relationship becomes drama filled and we all justify it by saying the sex is too good, or we see some good in the person and want to help in our own weird way, or we see some sort of value from the stripper. Value as in "I get OTC and on average it only costs me $150 each time even though I pay $1000 up front. " lol
Another plus with dealing with a drama filled stripper is most won't come into your personal life too often. you're likely not going to find a jealous husband or boyfriend, if seems most boyfriends of strippers in the relationships we have described see us more as a PL father type figure.
Well, at least he didn't waste it on meth
I think women in general are much more about relationships than men – as a saying/joke goes – “women look for the ONE man to satisfy ALL their needs – men look for ALL women to satisfy their ONE needâ€.
Most women do not like to be by themselves and are often craving a relationship/finding/being-with someone (and just that someone) – this to a larger extent than men IMO.
It is probably unlikely the avg uneducated; f’ed up upbringing; stripper; will find a nice; successful; well brought-up; guy; to marry her or be in a long term relationship with – thus they (strippers) may often settle for what they can get – dudes w/ a similar background and similar disfunctionality – kind of a “birds of a feather†thing.
Just my opinion – not that it is a fact.
This would be to a very basic extent IMO – yeah she might like him as a person and think he is a nice guy – but in a romantic sense; no way – along the lines of what sampep posted; they love what the custy does for them – many of these girls are in tough spots often times w/ no one to turn to – so I’m sure they appreciate a decent guy being there for them in their time of need – but if she won the lottery tomorrow; that would be the last Jack would hear of her.
+1 - Most emotionally mature dudes with structure in their life will not stick around after the initial erotic infatuation wears off and the drama sets in. I believe the problem isn't that the Dancers don't want a good BF but they can't find one that sticks.
Two other ‘theories’ from psychotherapy that are not limited to ‘strippers’ but apply to many young women who establish relationships with ‘bad boys’.
One theory applies to women who grew up in *dysfunctional* homes [abusive parent[s], emotional/physical abandonment, alcoholic/drug using parent[s]].
As children they ‘failed’ to fix the parent[s] and get the stability and emotional consistency they needed. They grow up without a decent model of healthy relationships.
As young women they seek dysfunctional BFs because they ‘know’ how to relate to them based on experiences with parent[s]. They gain both the excitement, unpredictability, and undependability they were used to as children. They again fail to ‘fix’ another dysfunctional person, this time the BF. Yet they have little skill in building healthy relationships with non-dysfunctional men.
The motto here: ‘Better the known devil than the unknown devil’ I know how to deal with this chaos but I don't know how to handle a healthier relationship.
Second theory is that growing up in a dysfunctional home leads to profound issues of trust and fear of emotional intimacy. So they establish relationships with ‘bad boys’ who, themselves, are unable to relate on a deeper emotional level and help foster a trusting relationship. She gets a relationship but one which doesn’t threaten her fear of greater emotional intimacy.
In both cases the young women ends up being a ‘parent’ to an acting out child, not an equal partner in a healthier relationship. Her fears, trust issues, and lack of experience with healthy relationships as a child prevent her from sustaining a relationship with a ‘good’ guy.
*dysfunctional has entered ‘pop’ psych culture and become the grist for stand-up comics. It’s been mocked by describing all sorts of relatively benign childhood experiences as dysfunctional. But the dysfunctional situations I mentioned above do exist, are serious, and do have an impact on individuals growing up in such families.
Or maybe he just has a big dick
So I expect the same in return – if not the case – I almost always bail and don’t get involved – not worth it for me – plenty of dancers in the sea.
Even if you copied it I'm impressed !!!
Thanks.
Motor Sweet and simple = Big dick trumps emotional intimacy, lol.
It's Friday and I broke a cardinal rule, posting facts on TUSCL, Duh!
'Everything written on this site should be considered a work of fiction.
But I do like the narrative.
Who wants drama? No one wants drama, including me.
The tension comes from me poking her to go the bed.
The tension also comes from her trying to squeeze more bucks from me.
But no one wants to give-in, so there ya go.
To break the tie, we just compromise. That works for me.
I just love this forum. Most people can't even form an intelligent thought to respond to a well presented argument, but they feel free to dismiss stuff they don't even understand.
It's like some guy writing a 800 page physics textbook, and some moron reads it and when he's done he says "Nah..."
Here's a bit of advice from Outcast that might keep you from getting trampled on by these ladies.
"And then, I learned the difference between a bitch and a lady
Hell, I treat 'em all like hoes..."
alabegonz, just read your comment “@joker44 : Sorry my man, what you said doesn't resonate with me.
But I do like the narrative.â€
Having read some of your discussion posts and comments I can well understand how it might not ‘resonate’ with you. We all have strengths and weaknesses imparted by our differing temperament, among other factors. These differences fundamentally affect the way we take in information, make judgements, and interact with others.
It is far from ‘[my] narrative’. I was trained and licensed as a psychotherapist. I have over 30 years experience in many treatment venues: outpatient psych and chemical dependency; inpatient psych and chemical dependency; employee assistance programs; and a maximum security prison, to name a few.
Outside of the TUSCL universe it has proven to be a useful clinical formulation from which to view certain clients’ presenting issues. And for receptive clients discussing this perspective openly helps them transition to a more productive focus on issues underlying their presenting issues and greater progress in reaching their therapy goals.
Like sailmd or surgin’s medical knowledge it stems from a specialized area of knowledge, training and, most importantly, clinical experience.
BTW, this perspective may explain some of those instances when a TUSCLer says he and CF/ATF are or were getting closer only to have her ‘sabotage’ the growing relationship and maintain her current relationship with a ‘loser’ BF incapable of greater emotional closeness and trust. Her fear of greater emotional intimacy ignites latent trust issues. Healthier relationships scare her. The current BF relationship helps her maintain a lower level of anxiety despite the chaos BF may create.
Better the ‘known devil...’
@joker44 “'Everything written on this site should be considered a work of fiction.â€