Building of the other topic, but not wanting to hijack the thread...
Do guys who procure extras consider themselves Johns?
I had never really thought about it, but although I'm not a frequent extras guys I guess I'd have to admit that I am. I'm not sure how I feel about it though.
I don’t. I pay for her time and anything else is between consenting adults. Physical activity between adults doesn't IMO equal one of the adults being a "John".
Nope
Extras guys don't consider themselves johns, but obviously, just a little thinking and it's clear they we are; anyone who doesn't think so is on a river in Egypt :). But in a strip club, it's very easy to pull the wool over our own eyes and not even consider that at all. Obviously, there are other reasons to do extras in a strip club instead of just going to escorts, but I reckon for some of us, the plausible deniability is a psychological factor.
Alucard! Did you or didn't you pay her for sexual favors?
I meant thread. And what's with all these labels, man? John, whore? I wanna know the real you, man. No more labels, man. Peace, brother.
^^^At least whore got changed to Ho. It sounds so much cuter.
Slick,did you find Jesus or L.S.D.?
I guess I'm a Jane.
I do. :)
@Dice-Jesus just left FOR Chicago in a red car loaded down with 200 kilos.
Mixing it up.
What if I found Jesus on LSD? Whoa, man.
Yes. It is what it is.
Well it is like people who go to a massage parlor and get a "happy ending"....are they Johns? By cop standards.... YES.
But it is a good question. Now most will argue that they went their for a "massage" or for club goers "Lap dance". And what happens after that wasn't why they went their... BS!! But yet like one eluded to in your mind it makes sense. Helps you divert from the actual act that occurred....ie money for sex or sexual favor.....even though you tipped for the "dance" or "quality of massage". It is all symantics (sp??)
Anyway.... I don't consider myself a "john" or "jack". I consider myself a client or customer. Again....tomato or tamAAto....LOL
I'm OK with being considered that.
John, client, whatever. If you are paying for sexual favors you are a john and committing an illegal act in the eyes of the law. Whether or not sex for money should be legal or not is certainly open for discussion. I suspect in a few years, after the marijuana issue is settled, we can expect a loosening of prostitution laws. If you go to clubs and get only air dances then you would not be a john. However, I think the majority of TUSCL members go to clubs or massage parlors with the hope and even expectation of some extras for which they are willing to pay.
But Dice,I only give wanky cranks.
Yes - although there are other terms like sugar daddy,customer, baby, daddy, a special friend, etc.
I asked her if she was my girl friend - she said "you can call me anything you want". I asked her if she had feelings for me - she said her feelings are for her husband - that it is what it is (my meetings with her).
In the final analysis - yes are johns. They usually use the term "client"
My dick is named Rich.
Having said that of COURSE we're johns, I'll also say that I don't "think of myself" as a john. Not that I'm in denial about what I'm doing being buying sex, but the fact that I personally don't feel that there's anything wrong with it, and so I don't see any need to label myself for buying sex, especially not with a label with such negative connotations. I also buy things like hammers and potato chips, but I don't have go to around thinking of myself as a hammer-slut or snack-whore, no special label required, other than that I'm a customer of hardware stores and supermarkets and often buy things there.
John
Stamp collecting is a hobby. This is just sex
Interesting, so some straight up pay for sex don't consider themselves Johns but others think just buying a lapdance makes one a John. We might want to cut back on the ridicule for strippers who offer said services for being confused about they are.
I don't think I've got any illusions about what I do, and I certainly don't cast judgement on others for doing the same, similar, or more than I. I also don't feel the need to label myself or anyone else, but at the same time we have words and definitions for precisely that purpose. We'd go nuts having to spell out the definition of a fucking table every time we wanted to use the word table.
Anyway - thanks for the responses, it was enlightening.
I'd been meeting my ATF OTC for a year or so and I bailed her out of a predicament she'd gotten herself into. She later told me she was telling her older brother about me and how much she appreciated my help. He told her , "Don't forget, he's just another John." When I heard that I was so hurt, but then realized he was right. I'm as guilty as she for our adventures involving sodomy, frottage, adultery, and other water sports.
I'm usually a mugging victim but it felt so good I decided to give her some money when she asked for that too. I could be encouraging bad behavior but it makes it a whole lot easier to leave peacefully.
Yeah Alucard and she's a "relaxation therapist".
Jeff, you can Twist it all you want but you're still a WHOREMONGER. Loser.
By the way, Jeff = Alucard, for new readers
"I don’t. I pay for her time and anything else is between consenting adults. Physical activity between adults doesn't IMO equal one of the adults being a "John". "
Alucard do you even realize everybody knows your full of shit, or are you just so bat shit crazy you have no idea.
From your latest review:
"Anything ya want Babe", she said. I said I'd love some FS. She then breathlessly said she hadn't been fucked for a month. [Yeah, RIGHT!! But I said nothing and then suggested a price] After short negotiation we agreed on a deal. We walked over to the elevator and rode up.
Sounds EXACTLY like you negotiated SEX, not time. Ha what an idiot.
I buy sex in a kilt so I'm an Ian.
A guy who pays for sex or "time" is a John, despite what they believe. That includes me and every other guy who ever got extras.
I'm a Jack not a John. There's a current great about me.