Are strippers complaining about how bad it is in clubs now just putting me on?

A stripper will say & do what ever it takes to get your money

Big Cody,take a knee will ya.

Perhaps NOT as much as you have been lead to believe. IMO, it is a combination of both.

Take a knee tumbling dice? Why do you want me on my knees? i hope you're a chick because I don't blow guys.

BCC: I don't know if dancers are putin' you on where you live but here in Missouri/Kansas area it's true. Attendance is down and dancer turnover is high as dancers move on to other area clubs searching for better income.

Last night [Saturday] visited downtown KC club. More than 15 ladies; I was one of two guys there just before 10PM. Talk about being outnumbered and hustled. One gal drives about 170 miles roundtrip from her home five times a week to work night shift.

Nice...BCC

When did a stripper talk about how good business is?

If they are comparing with how things were pre-recession, then yes, it's true.

I guess we who post here at TUSCL are some of the lucky ones not much affected by a recession. Myself, I work in nuclear power plants and I have not really seen any negative effects of a recession. It sucks for those guys that had to give up strip clubs then I guess. I bet they're bummed!

Shadowcat- Back when I was a younger buck in the 90s and I just started clubbing I never heard any strippers with financial sob stories. If I said no then they just shrugged and walked off! Now they usually cry and beg.

Sad sob stories are a dime a dozen in stripclubs, especially nowadays. And like ilbbaicnl noted many also compare the slow money of today against the good old days before the 2008 economic meltdown.

It's a combo of both, like Alucard said

I suspect that the dancers who are the most beautiful MAY be earning more, but it is a guess on my part. I have NO direct confirmation.

ibbi and lopaw got it right.

Good times before the 2008 recession. Then, when thiings got tight, extras got real cheap. All clubs within an hour or two drive of Detroit are hurting. Guys discovered the cheap extras so the $1000 Saturday nights in Lansing are a distant memory.

I've noticed a change in strippers' attitudes in the past 10 years or so.
1) most girls will not come to your table and personally thank you after a stage set any more.
2) most girls are not interested in getting you to talk about yourself and your job. Instead, they want you to hear their sob story about their (rent, child, work, car, etc)
They are no longer selling the victoria secret model earning college money fantasy. Instead,you get the full trailer trash story.

Strippers always bitch and moan about how bad things are today and how good they used to be. In fact, people in general do that.

Definitely less money in the Memphis SC's now for dancers. Girl I used to see made $700-1000 night back in 2008-2009. Now with bikini law in place the girls are happy to make $300 night. Hence, you can find OTC prospects any time in the clubs down south. No more ballers left working either. They have all migrated to TX and south FL.

This is very, very true. But it goes back to the economic bust of the year 2000. It never became as good as the mid to late '90s though.

Oddly, in 2011 and 2012 things seemed to pickup. Now I think strip clubs are on their last legs. More and more clubs are getting busted for prostitution and shootings are becoming more commonplace.

The answers to your question are many and varied. And mostly true, or not, depending on the dancer.

Nationwide, spending in strip clubs is purported to be down - but there are no accurate numbers to support that assertion. The number of strip clubs closing over the past 6 years, compared to clubs opening/reopening is roughly the same ratio as the prior decade. Some publicly traded strip club companies are actually showing stable or even improving bottom lines while others are struggling.

Local variations tend to make any national trend completely irrelevant. Zoning, code enforcement, local laws and local election campaigns all have an impact on clubs. Local economic condition also impact clubs - and sometimes that impact is NOT directly comparable to the local market trend. (Some clubs have claimed an increase in traffic and spending at the same time local conditions grow significantly worse.)

Even in the same club, some strippers "see" traffic slow down and her income decrease while others (even on the same shift) experience growing income and more business. That phenomenon do not necessarily mean either is lying or deluded.

I know this may come as a shock to some readers here, but - some strippers occasionally make knowingly false statements. Some dancers think that if they can convince you of their financial need (or convince you that their need means a willingness to do more or charge less) then you will more willingly give them more of your money. Some simply exaggerate, while others are too drunk or drugged out to actually know whether they are making money or not.

In short: Yes, they are lying. Yes, they are telling the truth. They are sincere. They are scamming you. Make the best deal, for the most mileage, because this may be you last chance to get some from this starving stripper. Take her home with you and marry her, because she is a prize worth more than riches. Bail and go find a better club.

I've taken another route out of this mess. I've offered my CF the full amount I normally spend in the club as payment for OTC meetings. So far we've met up twice with happy endings for all. She gets more cash than she makes most nights at the club and I enjoy her company.

I agree with Joe weber and dallas

Besides the big pre/post recession macro-trends:

Some of it is perception: new girls get to be the "it girl" for a while, as many customers love going through the new girls; that girl will perceive the club as being less busy than it was 6 months ago, but it's really just her new-girl sheen wearing off. This is a constant, every former new girl thinks the club was busier 6 months ago, and that has nothing to do with how busy the club actually was.

There are also seasonal variations. In my area, things slow down near Christmas, then slow down again near tax season, and sometimes slow down during periods when it's rainy/stormy.

And yes, sometimes it's a lie. One of the stripper's jobs is to profile you as a customer. If she profiles you as a white knight type, expect to get sob stories.

^^^ sometimes that's the case. But I think I was at least 30 before I finally and fully gave up on the idea that life is supposed to be fair. We forget we were not so different at that age.

I've rarely had a dancer admit she was making a lot of money. This, even after I see make numerous trips to VIP. Do the math.

Even so, it is getting more and more difficult to rationalize spending hundreds in a SC when I can have a better, longer, less expensive experience with an escort or at an AMP. These alternatives must be impacting their revenue to some extent.

"2) most girls are not interested in getting you to talk about yourself and your job. Instead, they want you to hear their sob story about their (rent, child, work, car, etc)"

@joewebber: not to blame the victim, but turning this around a bit: could anything have changed (including getting older :) about the way you've interacted with the girls in the past 10 years that could possibly make your approach feel a bit more paternal than carnal, and which in turn triggers the girls to appeal to your inner white knight instead of your inner perv? Trends do occur in SC hustles, but I also think many girls explicitly or instinctively tune their hustle to the customer, and a white knightish or paternal customer is going to increasingly get hustle that appeals to that side of him. Come in pervy, you'll get less of it. IMO.

Like a lot of other people who have a good income, many strippers lack even the most basic money management skills.

I wouldn't waste my time pondering stripper shit. It comes with the territory. Just go with the flow, man.

I just got a text from one this morning wanting to meetup otc that things are bad at the club (money wise for her).

My $.02

+ even though the economy is currently better (compared to ‘08-‘10) – many are still not over the pain of the ’08 recession (psychologically and/or financially) – thus many are still recovering and/or not too comfortable/optimistic about the economy in the near future – thus many are still gun shy about blowing large wads in SCs

+ on-line competition – the web has drastically affected many traditional business models – some find easy access to escorts via the web a better bang for the buck than SCs – others may indulge in the cheaper & more anonymous cam sites or free web porn – for some PLs free web porn or inexpensive cam sites may do enough for them due to their budget – some married PLs may not have the opportunity to hit SCs and thus rely on online options – i.e. there is more competition for the sex dollar

Big Cody, I say turn her misfortune into something better, ask for extra's at half the going rate. She gets the cash she needs, and you satisfy the inch only she can satisfy, lol!

"satisfy the inch only she can satisfy"

Freudian slip?


lol!

It is true that things are nowhere near pre-2008 levels. However, the meltdown started 6 years ago, so for most of them I doubt that this is their basis for comparison. While 6 years may seem like a short time to us old-timers, many of the current crop of dancers weren't even dancing back then.

Good point Papi about the camgirls. A fav told me there is a big market share that is all visual and zero tactile. The camgirls have probably taken these guys completely out of the clubs. Especially in those places were girls in the clubs can't flash their junk. Probably other guys are willing to give up touching to save money, the convenience and fap-friendliness of staying home, and a lack of enthusiasm for hanging with anti-social types.

It's down in the area where I visit. Back around 2006, before the anti-strip club legislation and before the recession, most of the clubs on Friday and Satruday would be standing room only as early as 10:00 PM, and would not start dying down until 2:00 AM. Back then I would often enter at 9:00 before the rush and stay until well after midnight. During that time there would be over thirty dancers show up and leave for their shift and all the top ones would be busy the entire time I was there. The top ones would all be taking well over $1000 a night on the weekends.

I once counted the top earner in the club during the five hours I was there, during one visit get 5 half hour dances at $200 a song, dance on stage 5 times and average over $70 in tips each time, and had a steady stream of customers for at least 30 songs at $25 / song. I estimated she pulled in $1700 that night. And that was about par for her that year. I know because I one of the 5 half hours that day.

By the time she quit in 2012, the VIP's were $250, dances were $30 a song, and $450 would be a good night for her.

Another thing I noticed was that five years ago a lot more dancers would work the floor. Now a lot more of the dancers either sit in the bar talking to other dancers, hide out in the dressing rooms, or spend too much time sitting with groups of customers who come in and don't by dances.

Sitting with large groups is often the management's fault. I have seen clubs direct the more popular and prettier dancers to the tables whenever a large group comes in, rather than letting the dancers choose.

These same problems existed in the past, but it seems to have gotten more prevalent the last five years.

@subraram why would it slow down during tax season? That's the time where ALL WIGS, big, small, and little to nonexistant get their giant lumpsum of cash. Sure for the most part SOME people use it responsibly, but if they like women, clubs and laziness they're using some of the dough for the strip club. That should be like the best time of the year for strippers especially since they don't collect tax refund. Explanations?

Maybe if less customers are in clubs at tax time, maybe they procrastinate or a lot had to pay.