Survey time
AbbieNormalMaryland
I say we all help davids/RL complete his research. Toward that end, lets all answer the following questions. Use your common or average visit. For instance my regular clubs don't offer LDs, so I'd spend $0 on LD's, but a fair ammount on the stage tips. davids, I'd say you need to participate too.
My answers are included to save space.
- How often do you visit a club?
About once a month
- How long do you stay?
2-3 hours
- How much do you spend?
Average $200
- How much do you spend on dances? (total, not per dance)
~ $100
- How many dancers do you spend it on?
Most on 2 or 3, but some tips for all of them
- Are you a "regular"?
Yes, but less so now that there are fewer girls I know anymore.
- Do you have a favorite dancer?
Yes
- Do you tip girls to sit with you?
Sometimes, not usually
- Do you buy them drinks?
yes
- Do you enjoy talking to the dancers?
yes
The next questions are for single guys only (unless you married guys want to fess up).
- Do you ask for dates or OTC meetings?
no
- Do you want to date strippers? (Assume the common societal definition of an ongoing monogamous relationship)
no
- Do you want to have sex with strippers? (assume no other complicating factors, just free sex)
yes
- Would you lie to get sex with a stripper?
no
- Would you pay to have sex with a stripper?
possible if there were no complicating factors as stated above.
- Would you date a stripper (definition above) to have sex with her?
no
- Have you ever had sex with a stripper?
yes
- Was it free?
yes
- Did you seek it out or just get lucky?
Sought it once, got lucky twice
- Do you seek it out now?
no
- How many times have you had free sex with a stripper
3
Comments
last commentMy answers are included to save space.
1 -2 times per month
2-3 hours
About $200 (drinks, tips, LD)
About $100
Usually about 3 or 4
Not yet, but hopeful of achieving that status
Yes
No
Sometimes
Sure
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Not yet... but considering it
Maybe
Yes
No
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
Got lucky
Yes... only from ATF
None
1-2 times per month. depends on where my work travels take me
2-3 hours
Average $100-150
100-150
tip the ones i like. try to spend the rest on one dancer
have been in the past at a number of different clubs. not so much anymore
ATF is retired. have favs at other clubs.
no
only on special occassions for special girls
yes
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have in the past. not so much anymore
no
yes
no
yes
no
yes
was in vip room at club
lucky the first time thru, always go back looking for more
yes
3
Varies.. from a few times a week to once every 6 weeks
2-3 hours
Average $250
$230
Usually one or two
The dancers that I get dances from always remember me, so I guess, Yes
Several
No
No
Only if we've previously established some kind of rapport
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No
Yes, who wouldn't?
Sure, why not?
No
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
Little of both
Not actively, but if the situation presents itself....
different strippers... 3
same stripper.... many (dated one for 8 months)
Few times a month
2-4 hours
Average $250
$100-$300
Usually one or two
No, but I have a few strippers that I coordinate seeing from time to time.
I have many
It depends, sometimes
yes
yes
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yes
no
yes
yes
no
no
yes
yes
Both
yes
not sure....more than 25
About once a month
2-3 hours
Average $200
$100-$125
1 or 2
No. I change clubs every three months.
No
Yes if I initiate.
yes
yes
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No
No
yes
Yes
Yes
No
yes
Both ways. Had paid sex and freebies too.
I seek it.
Yes
4
Bleah, corrections. I meant Yes for "sex with strippers" #13 and No for "would you lie for sex with strippers?" #14. That isn't to say that I don't lie to strippers; I usually lie to get rid of them, not to fuck them.
Not at all for weeks up to several times per week.
0-3 hours.
$0-$500. Sometimes there's no cover charge.
$0-$400.
0-4 dancers, not counting stage tips.
Yes.
Yes.
No.
No unless they ask.
Sometimes but usually no.
No.
No.
No.
Yes.
No.
No.
Yes, not intercourse but everything else.
Yes.
I would call it opportunity instead of luck.
No.
Depends on your definition of sex. If sex is intercourse only, then never, but if you count BJ, HJ, etc., more times than I can recall accurately but not a lot more than that.
I go twice a year. Once on my birthday and once during our annual disaster recovery test in Indy.
Usually about 2-3 hours.
About $250 in Denver, about $125 in Indy (it's so cheap!!).
$180 in Denver. Maybe $30 in Indy (I try to find a girl I like and adjourn to the VIP.
3
No.
The ones who look like they're having fun up there.
No.
Did once, she asked. I typically go for intimate contact. If I wanted to sit there and talk, I'd get a girlfriend :)
It's intersting to hear their stories sometimes, but I'm mainly there to ogle them.
No.
No. Being able to leave them behind without so much as a word is the big draw for me...
Yes.
No.
No.
No.
No.
N/A
N/A
No.
About once a quarter. Used to be way more.
Unless it's really terrible, as long as I can and have $.
Average $200
~ $150
2 or 3, but pretty good at tipping all concerned
No. I was once way too regular at MBOT.
Did in the old days. Not now.
If they sit with me and I like them at all, I'll do at least a cheap LD rather than tip just for talking.
Never
Yes. Sometimes it's cool. For the most part, it's at least entertaining.
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Never
no
no
no
possible if there were no complicating factors as stated above.
No
no
no
Was it free?
Did you seek it out or just get lucky?
Do you seek it out now?
no
2 gratis hjs many moons ago. Too freaked out by the spectre of bad science to do it anymore.
I go during holidays, so ... once a month, average.
2 hours.
About $200.
~ $150.
Most on 2 or 3, but some tips for all of them.
Yes.
In some, yes, in others, no.
No.
Yes, especially when the waitress asks hangs head in shame.
Yes.
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Once in a blue moon.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
No.
(See 17.)
(See 18.)
Yes.
A lot of guys who do buy dances regularly, including me, typically only buy them from one girl. But the other girls will still come around and talk to someone they see in the club regularly, happens all the time. I'm guessing that in the evening when they're busy they like to take a break now and then and enjoy talking to someone they know. But during the day when the place is dead they often don't bother to make the effort. Maybe they're still asleep or hung over or something, who knows, but I've seen it happen.
davids, that's why I was curious about the night girls who come to talk to you. Is it a brief chat then off? Is it a whole bunch, or just a few you know?
JC: Why the day ones and not the night ones?
Thanks JC.
Dancers avoiding guys once they find out that they don't want dances: what a shocker! Guys like that are why cover charges are getting higher and higher.
Well yeah there is a greater absolute #, but I am talking relative percentage here.
Not really what I was thinking, but an interesting thought. So on the slower nights/days, fewer girls come to talk to you than when it's busy and there are more customers and dancers?
add to the last question percentage wise, as you stated.
Yeah, it's weird. During the slow times girls often come up and chat for quite a while: sometimes for 20-30 minutes, but then when I don't buy a dance I won't hear from them again: They'll ignore me even when the club isn't busy.
During the busy times, however, I am much more likely to get visited by girls who know I won't buy a dance from, just because they want to chat for a bit.
davids, that is interesting. In the busy times, when the girls know you aren't buying as you said, is it a constant stream? Do you have the same girl for a while or is it more one after the other? I usually go when things are slow.
Yeah, sucks when the waitresses are slow. Interesting how the fuller the club the more girls talk to you. Might want to look into that.
davids, I hope your staying up to 3 hours modifies the money you spend. In addition I guess you have modified your position, or didn't consider your method dishonest, I'll defer, but note that you did specifically adress the "dishonesty" in an early post.
AN: Depends how dilligent the waitresses are. If we want to get exact, I pay $10 cover plus about $10 (tips)/ hour for drinks when the waitresses are on the ball.
Now I've noticed an interesting phenomena lately: I actually get more strippers and waitresses talking to me when the club is the busiest. I don't really have a good explanation of why that is.
Conventional wisdom is to go in the afternoons or early evening if your objective is to pickup strippers. Strippers more willing to chat/get to know you, blah, blah... However, I think I am going to try bucking the trend on this one.
Honestly, I think it has to do with the calibre of the girls I am targetting. I think the system I am developing works best on the classiest girls. (OTOH, I am also starting to fear that I've only developed a system for making friends (in a normal sense: will see you OTC/don't charge you) rather than a system for dating or sexing strippers... I think I need to lay low for a bit and do some experimentation, and maybe even start some "need advice" thread here. LMFAO at myself.)
My answers are included to save space.
About once a month
4-5 hours
Average $500
~ $350
4-5, plus tips at the rail
No.
Yes
No
Sometimes
yes
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N/A
Go back up for the actual questions:
Once or twice/month - depends on weather
A couple hours
$120-$200 - more at certain clubs that I might visit once or twice a year.
$80-$120 - but more depending on who is working.
Depends. I don't check who is working that night
Sort of
Yes
No
Not usually
Yes
No
Some I would consider
Depends on the situation
No
Problebly not
No
No
n/a
n/a
no
none
AN: Thanks for saving me some time by answering for me. Your answers are mostly right but a few small corrections:
Up to 3 hours depending on how many people are talking to me. Leave in 40 minutes if it is a bad night, or within 10 minutes of things going stale. Average time probably about an hour.
Sort of: I have a favorite but she doesn't work there anymore. Keep in touch with her OTC. (Just friends though: no dating or sex.)
I do right now, but I am thinking it might be better to get them to ask you (this has happened to me). This is something I need to experiment with.
yes but won't insist on monogamy.
no
davids, you don't get to modify till you participate.
Mmm.... Think I'm going to have to disagree with you. This survey has some flaws (although it's mostly good). I'll correct them and start a new thread.
FWIW, I think you are dealing more with "exotic dancer" than you are with "strippers" since LDs are not available. I think that is going to have a big impact on the social dynamics, b/c the "dancers" and customers are going to be less inclined to see themselves as prostitutes. Could be some big changes in the game, but it's not really worth me thinking through since every SC I've ever gone to offer LDs.
Come on davids, be a sport and answer.
Well, since davids, who apparently is very interested in this topic, is too busy to participate I think I can give a reasonable guess based on his past posts. Feel free to correct me davids.
About once a week
40 minutes tops
$20ish ?
0 (possible stage tips) ?
0 (possible stage tips) ?
Yes
?
never
No (? it would seem to violate your rules if you did)
yes
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yes
yes
yes
yes
no
yes
no
n/a
n/a
yes
0
p.s. virtually everything in here is based directly on your posts, so anything that is really far off is probably because there is some discrepancy in past posts or how they reflect reality. If it is marked with a ? that means it is an estimate based on your method or discussions.
About once a quarter - it used to be more often but since I've started getting massages regularly I've cut back, I find the massage to be a better deal.
1.5 - 2 hours
$150 or so
$100 give or take
one
Not anymore
Yes but I haven't seen her for awhile
It depends on 2 things: whether or not I asked her to join me, and how things work in the particular club (eg. does she get a cut of drink prices.) I'll usually tip a girl for the entire experience of which conversation is a part.
Yes if I've asked her to join me.
yes
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Not unless I've gotten to know her real well and it seems appropriate.
no
no
no
no
no
no
n/a
n/a
no
never
Please answer with the number of different strippers you've had sex with/dated.
Total time you've spend going to clubs too.
Thanks!