Disconnects With Other tusclers

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• Estafador

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  11 years ago

  For a strip club monger, you oddly enough make me want to strive harder than ever to reach my goals. I want to be able to look through the looking glass and not be what is looked at. So I'm definetely gonna see through the eyes of you company owners.
• Alucard

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  11 years ago

  Art there will always be a difference between Employers and Employees. It is I think a rare Employer who will realize the very real difference. And even rarer the Employer who tries to do anything about it.
• Estafador

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  11 years ago

  Employers understand today's economic problems, and while they may not be negativly impacts on their lifestyle by the problems, they understand just how difficult it is to get a job most likely due to scarcity in it (a slow healing problem, but healing nonetheless) and feel danger in helping its employees move up in the world whether it be due to work overload or simply afraid to lose their own job (perhaps they might get in trouble helping out the employee in whatever way). Then there are those that are too cynical and close minded to employees (or just people who have a hard time moving up in the world in generqal) due to believing since their doing fine, nothing is wrong with jobs and believe its easy to get a job if you give it effort like they did in 1965.
• Dougster

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  11 years ago

  What's a concrete example of this difference in worldview?
• JuiceBox69

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  11 years ago

  Shit I'm both.....
• motorhead

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  11 years ago

  I think the disconnect occurs because you don't always get our humorous references to pop culture, movies, and old television. Not saying that's a bad thing. Obviously, you were out making a living fir yourself while many of us, myself included, wasted it on silly entertainment. I could be wrong. That's what see - not so much the employer/employee differences.
• canny

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  11 years ago

  I've been self employed and now I'm an employee. You're right, there is a huge difference between the two world views.
• DandyDan

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  11 years ago

  Never really thought about it til now, but you probably have a point.
• Daddillac

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  11 years ago

  I agree with Art....However I have been on straight commission or owned the company since I graduated from college. Take a couple hours to watch GlenGary Glenross, the first time I watched it I sided with the sales people, the second time I sided with the management. It was like I was watching a different movie.
• Clubber

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  11 years ago

  I was an employee for years. I did the owner thing for years and it was way to much work for way to little money. I sold out and retired. Tired of that, back to being an employee. Much happier now. I'm not even sure what you consider a "disconnect".
• pabloantonio

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  11 years ago

  "I mean the worldview of an entrepreneur as opposed to that of an employee. There are very few company owners among tuscl's regulars. Guys like me that do not work for a wage look at the world entirely differently than those who do." There is no place for entrepreneurs in our new Marxist-Socialist society. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
• sinclair

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  11 years ago

  The disconnect is that there are alot of mentally ill people in this hobby, as seen by the discussion board.
• looneylarry

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  11 years ago

  I know that there are good employers and bad employers. I know that there are good employees and bad employees. I have never owned a company and felt the pressure to make payroll. I have been an employee and felt the constant pressure of trying to keep everybody in the organization above me happy. When there are differing personal agendas and whims, it gets a little tough. And with employment at will, an employee knows every second of every day that they can and will be replaced. That cloud hangs low and dark over every thing you do. Art, the other side of the coin is how would you like to work in a grenade factory and know that the assembly line is constantly being sped up and that it only takes one mistake, and BOOM. When will the mistake happen? Tomorrow, July, next year, this afternoon? It causes you to be a little edgy. In this day and age, you get canned on the spot and you have 5 minutes to put your stuff in a box before security walks you out the door, and it happens all the time.
• Dougster

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  11 years ago

  Sinclair: "there are alot of mentally ill people in this hobby" And alutard is the worst amongst them! LMFAO!
• crazyjoe

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  11 years ago

  I have mostly been a business owner but I have also worked as an employee. I probably see the world more as a business owner than an employee. I find it humorous when someone moves up in your company and they start complaining issues with people under rhem that I had with them. There are differences and that's what makes the world go around. Art I like your viewpoints and your stories
• SuperDude

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  11 years ago

  Does this worldview shape how much one might tip a dancer, who is, usually, an entrepreneur and independent contractor?
• georgmicrodong

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  11 years ago

  I am currently both a wage worker *and* a self-employed guy. The latter does involve a *few* differences in outlook, but I don't know that I've noticed much in the way of disconnect with your views that can't be explained by taking your "sheltered" life prior to this into account. :)
• Corvus

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  11 years ago

  Art you always seemed to me, in the best possible way, to be different than most others here. It became apparent to me when reading how you write and what you write. Wealthy, hard working, hard playing and well traveled you are unique among men of the TUSCL. In fact every time I see that Dos Equis beer commercial I wonder if the "Most Interesting Man in the World" is based on you? But until one of their commercials deals with a SC or a wildcatter I'll just have to keep wondering. "Stay thirsty my friends"
• Dougster

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  11 years ago

  I'm with George here. I think it might be more the workaholic mindset as opposed to business owner. Again, without some concrete example of the perceived differences, just a guess though,
• jester214

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  11 years ago

  From a different country, less formal education than some, age. You left out the fact that you're a helluva a lot richer than most of us (presumably all of us, but who knows). Yet you think it's because your not an employee? You listed three very plausible reasons that you might feel a "disconnect" then you reach what I consider a very unlikely conclusion. At best it's an extension of the other reasons.
• lopaw

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  11 years ago

  I've always considered myself a young female version of you, farmerart. I think that despite our age, gender & location differences, you & I are alot alike - kindred spirits, even. You are one of perhaps two TUSCL'ers that I would be honoured one day to share a beer & a babe with. First round's on me :)
• ilbbaicnl

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  11 years ago

  Personally I don't think it accomplishes much to make broad statements and give no specifics or concrete examples that are in line with the broad statement. But maybe that's just cause I get a steady paycheck and have narrow responsibilities.
• Doc_Holliday

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  11 years ago

  I'm your classic Initech employee. At day, but weekends and night I film. I do get paid for adverts, and now music videos. But you lead engineers and skilled laborers. I lead artists, whose art is more important than money and thus they are more uncontrollable. So, I remain an office worker until I can make my art profitable. If you can teach me anything about leadership I am all ears, sir!
• rh48hr

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  11 years ago

  I have been both the boss and an employee in different businesses and there are some definite differences. But if you have good employees it makes the being the boss not so bad. But that is a big "if".
• rickdugan

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  11 years ago

  "I mean the worldview of an entrepreneur as opposed to that of an employee. There are very few company owners among tuscl's regulars. Guys like me that do not work for a wage look at the world entirely differently than those who do." I have owned my business for a number of years now and at times feel a little disconnect here, especially with the younger guys, but not to the level that I believe that you do. In all candor, I think the issue is more related to available resources than it is business ownership vs. employee status. I am basically the same now as when I was getting a very large salary as a senior exec some years ago in terms of my clubbing views and activities. However, I imagine that my views would be far different if I was entering a club with a $200 budget and was trying to figure out how to squeeze max value from very limited cash. I have been more broadly accused by my wife of having lost touch with people who live on small incomes and perhaps she is right - it has been a long time since I have had to seriously worry about certain things. But for you, this issue is amplified given your resources. As you regal us with stories about flying your favorite stripper around Canada so that she can spend a weekend at your ranch, or cutting her a check to pay her for lost wages, you are breathing air tasted by few around here. So yes, you are indeed disconnected from a guy who is looking to get the most for the $200 that he probably shouldn't be spending in a SC to begin with - LOL. Go yee forth art and don't worry about being disconnected from us mere mortals. ;)
• Doc_Holliday

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  11 years ago

  I've found no positive correlation between expense and enjoyment in strip clubs beyond the price of admission, four drinks and six dances, plus tips, which would be around $150-$200. When I earn more, I'll spend more. But I don't believe it's necessary. Some of the best night never broke $100.
• farmerart

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  11 years ago

  Many interesting responses, thanks. Dougster, and others, ask for a concrete example of what I meant. The best that I can come up with is this. I am the boss. I give the orders. I make all the big decisions. I take all the responsibilities. My signature goes on every pay cheque every month. The profits come to me. I am in control of my world. The workaholic observation is also valid. I certainly am one of that species and there are not all that many true workaholics in this world. But, in the SC world, I am just another of the countless PLs struggling with the machinations of the crafty ladies that I encounter.
• jester214

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  11 years ago

  You spelled "check" wrong you Queen's English using hoser! That's the disconnect. :)
• Alucard

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  11 years ago

  I certainly feel a disconnect between myself and a millionaire. The millionaire can AFFORD to have any kind of view of the world she/he wishes.
• jester214

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  11 years ago

  That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read you say, and frankly that's saying something.
• Alucard

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  11 years ago

  Explain jester214, my view as expressed above is valid for me. It isn't intended to include anyone else.
• mmdv26

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  11 years ago

  Can't be a very good entrepreneur without a worldview. I think the worldview causes one to accept nothing less than being the owner, the risk taker, and ultimately the person who others will follow. I have been a business owner for 30 years. I can't imagine working for someone else again (except as CEO etc).
• steve3003

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  11 years ago

  I don't get this "farmerart worship society" thingy on this board. I respect him cause he seems to be honest. At least he ain't that 13-yr old juicebox fuckhead who keeps staying up past his bedtime. By the same token, as a guy, farmerarts seems a bit unusual given the history of his very late sexual escapes he's described in some posts. Very difficult to understand for a guy like me who's in his age group. As to that disconnect thing, not sure about entrepreneur vs. salaried fuckhead distinction. As a former officer, I know there's a difference between us and enlisted men. We talk about that all the time. Then again, I'm turning on the fucking tv and many of them senator fuckheads who haven't served a day in the military are grilling Chuck Hagel, a purple heart veteran, at his confirmation hearing and my blood is boiling over. Hagel and McCain (how's picking on him too) are as good as it gets. And Hagel was an enlisted man. But he's better than any officer fuckhead (including yours truly) I ever knew. Returning back to farmerart's post, just disregard old geezers posting stuff. There's a reason why confiscating our driver's licenses (over my dead body) can seem a good idea.
• jester214

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  11 years ago

  You had two sentences Alucard. One was certainly a personal view point, though being personal doesn't make it any more intelligent. The second was a statement about other people, millionaires. It was quite stupid.
• Dougster

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  11 years ago

  Steve3003: quit being a homo!
• tumblingdice

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  11 years ago

  Steve,get some sleep,jag off.
• Dougster

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  11 years ago

  RickyBoy's wife just starting to notice he is a bit of touch with reality? Think she is just noticing the tip of the iceberg. At least I know what the RickyBoy is really like better than anyone else the world, and will do what I can to keep him a little bit grounded here in what he wishes was his escape world from his usual... escape world!
• steve3003

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  11 years ago

  When Dougster starts calling me names, I must have screwed up. The personal references in my comments were in poor taste and crossed the line. When farmerart (or any other tuscler for that matter) shares personal experiences, it should stay that way and not be the subject of negative remarks. Alucard once remarked that different folks post for different reasons (or something to that effect). I had a reason to read the discussion board earlier last year (was thinking about quitting this lifestyle after a long run) and the posting was prompted by what I perceived as too much whining by some on the board. Now it's just crankiness on my part, so time to shut up.
• ilbbaicnl

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  11 years ago

  So what exactly is the implication? That most of us are use to lapping up the BS (boss shit) so we are fine with lapping up the SS? Art I think your business must be a small one (that will stay that way) if you think all non-owners are slackers that you can't delegate an ounce of authority to.
• rickdugan

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  11 years ago

  "But, in the SC world, I am just another of the countless PLs struggling with the machinations of the crafty ladies that I encounter." Hardly that Art. First, your resources should be opening up all sorts of doors for you. Girls in almost any club learn quickly when there is a big fish in the joint and act accordingly. Many of us do not garner anywhere near the attention that you would in almost any club, at least once the girls learn to look past your simple exterior and figure you out from your spending and from what other girls have to say (and yes, they always talk). Second, you have the capacity to absorb mistakes without any real repercussions. For many of us, if we are stupid and get conned out of several hundred by a savvy dancer on any particular night, we fold up the tent and head for home. For some on here, that might even represent the SC budget for the month. For you this is not even a speed bump and you can keep on rolling until you find what you are looking for, even if you drastically overpay for it by our standards. Third, you simply have access to potential OTC targets that we never will. There are some girls out there who would never dream of going OTC for a few hundred, but at some far higher number may be tempted. Most of us simply cannot readily sling around several thousand for a single night of entertainment, including what it might take to entice a true 10 out of a club for p4p. You can if you so choose. No sir, you are hardly a simple PL facing the same struggles as the rest of us, and I heartily congratulate you for that. ;)
• rickdugan

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  11 years ago

  By the way Art, I do also understand your more general comments regarding the disconnect between entrepreneurs and clock punchers. The gulf in mindset can be vast, especially with respect to caring about a job well done. It is my never ending challenge to instill a feeling of ownership and pride in work product even small number of people who work for me.
• Doc_Holliday

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  11 years ago

  Poor Rick.
• rickdugan

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  11 years ago

  "I've found no positive correlation between expense and enjoyment in strip clubs beyond the price of admission, four drinks and six dances, plus tips, which would be around $150-$200." LOL. Tell you what, once your budget exceeds 150-200, come back and share your experiences. I think that you will be singing a different tune once you become a bigger contributor to a dancer's income. Heck, even the guy who spends $20-30k per year experiences a vastly different SC culture than one who scrapes up a couple of hundred for his once a month outing. But whales like Art live in a totally different SC universe that do the rest of us. When a guy like Art walks into a club, he can have any girl he wants. Joe Ham n' Egger better hope that Art doesn't take an interest in his favorite gal, because if so then Joe is SOL as you can be sure that he'll never see her again that night, or at least until Art tires of her. ;)
• Clubber

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  11 years ago

  fa, Thanks for the "disconnect" clarification. As I said above, I've owned my own business, but I preferred to go back to letting others worry about the business BS. In most all my 50+ working years, I've always been in a "supervisory" position, so I understand what you meant by being disconnected. Thanks for the response and I shall remain, like you as "...just another of the countless PLs struggling with the machinations of the crafty ladies that I encounter."
• Doc_Holliday

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  11 years ago

  Rick, you live in a totally different SC universe than I do. I've never bought VIP or paid for OTC. $200 is more than enough to get in tip a few girls, get a few dances, and drink a little rye. Anything more would be a pie eating contest. When you get all the flavor you need from the first slice, everything after that is filler. I'm no whale but I'm not the pack of jackholes that comes into the byob with a case of Bud Light and spends a total of $9 on Ice, $20 to get in and maybe $10 on tips and never buy a dance. The hard luck strippers don't come over when they need rent, but the doin' alright ones do, because they know in 15-60 mins, it's an easy $20-100 bucks (if I know them) and a free drink. I don't see why I need to keep spending money when I get what I want out of the first few dances from a dancer (or two (or three)) and I don't have the time, or want to associate with, desperate dancers who need money and aren't skilled enough at their job to get it. I have spent $400 or $500 in a club and did not feel like I enjoyed it any more.
• Doc_Holliday

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  11 years ago

  I'm not knocking the guys that drop $1000 in the club. You're making some girls night. I'm just not that guy.
• tenisbum1776

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  11 years ago

  I'm with Corvus. Farmerart I have no disconnect with you. In our private chats I've found you reasonable, pleasant and informative. I'd have no problem sitting next to you in a club, smoking a fine cigar and sipping a well aged cognac. Consider this an open invite to let me know when you might be in the state of Ohio and we'll make it happen. However the ladies in my club will tell you that I am the "World's Most Interesting Man". Most believe the Cubans buy cigars from me. :-)
• Dougster

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  11 years ago

  World's most interesting man? Yet he still has to pay for pussy? I'd go with "world's biggest homo" as more likely!