OTC Pay or No Pay?
Revo
So I met this really hot. And I mean hot dancer. Place and name witheld to protect the innocent. But to give you an idea. She has about a 9.5 head and an 8.5 body. She is very beautiful and pretty cool to talk to. We hit it off very well. So I followed the sage advice of my fellow TUSCLers about hot women are up for OTC more than average and went for broke.
Got some dances on our first meet last week and after a really good session I paid and tipped her well and asked her the almighty question. "What will it take to talk you out of here today?" Even though I was not ready to take her out. She told me she did not usually do that kind of thing. Seems to be a common answer. I said no problem. And then she offered her phone number and put it in my phone, and agreed we could have some fun. I briefly mentioned she could make better money this way. Not sure if she heard that she did not respond or react to it. Texted her this week and we met up at the club again.
We had a great time. Lets just say we went way further than was allowed in this club and she was not holding me back on the contact, there was absolutely no hustle, and no attempt at getting at my money in any respect. We really both seemed to be getting into it. I know I was. We started earnestly talking about OTC, and where we could go and when etc. Logistical details. And she repeated over and over to me that she really wanted to get together.
That is all great. And thanks for all of the advice it does work. If applied consistently. Here is the question.
Money has never come up, except for that first unconfirmed mention. In fact not even when we are dancing. So there is this ambiguous area where if we get together OTC, I am not sure if she expects compensation or not.
So should I bring it up or just let it slide and see if she brings it up? Or should I just go ahead and offer her something? But this risks the danger of her being insulted and getting mad? You know "I am not a whore thing". I am of the mind to just go have a good time and see if it comes up. But I am not cheap, PforP is actually a little less hassle in my mind.
What do you masters think?
Got some dances on our first meet last week and after a really good session I paid and tipped her well and asked her the almighty question. "What will it take to talk you out of here today?" Even though I was not ready to take her out. She told me she did not usually do that kind of thing. Seems to be a common answer. I said no problem. And then she offered her phone number and put it in my phone, and agreed we could have some fun. I briefly mentioned she could make better money this way. Not sure if she heard that she did not respond or react to it. Texted her this week and we met up at the club again.
We had a great time. Lets just say we went way further than was allowed in this club and she was not holding me back on the contact, there was absolutely no hustle, and no attempt at getting at my money in any respect. We really both seemed to be getting into it. I know I was. We started earnestly talking about OTC, and where we could go and when etc. Logistical details. And she repeated over and over to me that she really wanted to get together.
That is all great. And thanks for all of the advice it does work. If applied consistently. Here is the question.
Money has never come up, except for that first unconfirmed mention. In fact not even when we are dancing. So there is this ambiguous area where if we get together OTC, I am not sure if she expects compensation or not.
So should I bring it up or just let it slide and see if she brings it up? Or should I just go ahead and offer her something? But this risks the danger of her being insulted and getting mad? You know "I am not a whore thing". I am of the mind to just go have a good time and see if it comes up. But I am not cheap, PforP is actually a little less hassle in my mind.
What do you masters think?
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Usually if they want to do it for free they will make it pretty obvious by asking something blunt like "would you like to get together tonight?" If you drop the ball after something that obvious, well, not likely you will get many more (if any more chances to step up to bat).
Personally I think she is just fucking with you. If she was serious it would have been an obvious question like I mentioned and you would be kicking yourself for not following through.
Neverless maybe it's real and you only have two strikes, not the three for the strikeout. Go in optimistic and be aggressive, and follow up the same fucking night, and see what happens. Probably nothing. Just keep it in mind for the future.
Good luck, bro!
On the pay thing I will bring money but not offer unless she says something.
And if she declines the money, I would marry her, have 6 kids, and enjoy the rest of my life with the best woman you will ever find.
If and when the OTC does happen, she will make sure to let you know if there will be a cost.
Work out the price before the meeting. No she is not going to meet you and fuck your for free LOL.
Dougster: what you said makes sense.
I am going in.
It may be time for you do direct your efforts to a more receptive gal.
In any event, good luck.
I will just go into it optimistic and not expecting too much.
Strippers have their rules of thumb for how to get the most $$$ out of us. A very common one is "when a guy wants something I won't do, don't say no, just keep making excuses for why not now".
“… Personally I think she is just fucking with you …â€
“… It sounds like a classic stringalong ….â€
The smart ones will often not mention $$$ even though that is what it’s all about.
The fact that she is beautiful; a dancer; and has kids; tells me that she has experience w/ men and is not some naive young girl who may have fallen for you.
“IMO†dancers do not take SC customers too seriously when it comes to dating in the genuine sense of the word. They will almost always see customers as business opportunities and will often not see or respect customers as dating material b/c they (customers) go to SCs to begin with, IMO.
My personal take from the OP’s post is that he may not be sure if she is genuinely into him and she wants to genuinely date/hook-up with him; or if she is just not upfront about P4P? That is how I read it, not how it necessarily is.
Hot women do not hook up with guys (non P4P) too easily specially in a SC setting. If there is a question whether a hot dancer is into us, we can always ask ourselves – do I do this well with hot women in a non-SC setting? If the answer is no, then we may be playing ourselves, IMO.
The fact she is a dancer, and has kids, would tell me she is in need of cash – and her decision to do OTC would be along the same lines as her decision to dance in the 1st place; i.e. $$$, IMO.
Actions speak louder than words – I would not try to read too much into it and would have an attitude of not expecting much in the 1st place (as the OP subsequently mentioned).
P4P can be easily found in a SC; but genuine romance/girlfriend, very very very rare – IMO.