I was speaking through PM with another TUSCL member and we got around to talking about stealth video taping our OTC session.
So it got me to wondering. Do the majority of you other OTC guys also like to stealth vid your party? Have you been caught? Does your OTC LIKE to be recorded?
Stealth video taping? That's nasty and loathsome. I have taken photos and videos but only when the girls agreed to it.
how'd that work for rob lowe?
Disturbing and despicable
A close friemd of mine got an invitation from a dancer at Bugsy's in Elyria, Ohio. The dancer had a boyfriend and they were both into swinging. Her 38th birthday was coming up in a few months and she told him she would like him to partake in her birthday orgy (probably 4-5 people involving another woman, her boyfriend, and someone else). He asked why she wanted him to participate instead of other regular customers of hers. She said she trusted him, knew he was kinky enough not to shy away from them video taping the orgy, and she said something about his (well endowment) (those were her exact words) LOL. He at first said to himself that would be fun. Then, of course, needed a friend's thoughts on it, which I provided. After thinking it over he deceided against it.
I think taping without consent is pretty fucked. Maybe pay them extra if they agree.
I've taped once with my current fav but only with her consent.
I haven't found it a big deal to get them to agree to it, and would never do it w/o their consent. Often, they want to take their own pictures, so I'm the one who is offering the consent.
Yes I tape myself jacking off all the time
No fucking way do I want any evidence of my extra curricular activities, with or without her consent.
I've recorded short snippets of a couple of sessions with various girls. Always after asking though. Stiletto is right, doing it without her knowledge and permission is despicable.
Bad idea unless the woman agrees.
Shadowcat:
I think the "friend" you were talking about was you. Or maybe it was VinceMichaels.
Everyone knows you guys are in the "well-endowed" club of TUSCL.
Oh, and only a conceited asshole would videotape a woman without her consent.
All you people are moralists conservative little fucks.....I ninja that Shit all the time....I ant pussy and the rest of you can suck it
pabloantonio - Who is everyone? LOL.
I find it hilarious how some of you are on such a moral high ground over this. HELLO THE WHOLE ACT OF OTC IS NOT ON MORALLY HIGH GROUND BY EITHER PARTY!!!
SMH
Depends on your sense of morality. But no matter what, it's never okay to tape anyone fucking without their knowledge.
It's assumed that both parties agreed upon an OTC tryst - however in a "stealth vid" the adult worker did NOT agree to be video recorded.
Its not a matter of morality - it's a matter of invasion of privacy.
Lopaw: "Its not a matter of morality - it's a matter of invasion of privacy."
Yeah, privacy, which is a moral issue. ( I guess expecting a lesbian to say anything which makes logical sense, even fir one sentence, is just too big an ask.)
Not cool. And, what is the point anyway?
The point my friend is not to share it with the public or even close friends the point is to have video for your own personal veiwing and to jerk off to.....not realy that big of an issue ...:...sounds like a lot of church folk today on tuscl
Exactly what Juice said. Save the memory for yourself for those of us with not the greatest memory.
Good point. No harm, no foul.
@mrrock: I have no moral qualms about what I'm doing. Like many others, you appear to be confused about the difference between legality and morality. Take a few moments to familiarize yourself with that difference before you start shaking your head over the subject.
George nothin illegal about it as long as you keep the video to your Damn self....now posting it to the net or handing out copies would get you in a heap of trouble
I'm not confused at all George sounds like you are. The WHOLE ACT OF OTC IS ILLEGAL! What's not to understand about that?
Perhaps they don't want anyone jacking off to a video of them fucking 5 years later?
It's easy to say you'll keep it to yourself, but what happens if it's stolen?
Would you be happy if you found out that someone you'd been doing incall with had been recording your sessions and not telling you? I know I wouldn't regardless of what they did with it.
Jester I would be flattered if that happened to ol juicyboy
As far as the legality of OTC, if you are filming with the consent of all parties involved and have an intent to distribute you go from the illegal transaction of prostitution (in most states) to the legal transaction of producing pornography (in most states). Just make sure all your contracts are oral...
I dont want to see myself naked.
Jestie-girl: store your videos (and all other personal data for that matter) encrypted. Duh!
"No fucking way do I want any evidence of my extra curricular activities, with or without her consent."
Exactly.
mrrock: The type of OTC so often fantasized about on this site is certainly illegal in most cases. Illegality, however, does not automatically equate to immorality, and, at least in my case, nothing I'm doing OTC, including the bareback pussy-licking, cock-sucking and fucking with a girl half my age in exchange for cold, hard cash, is immoral.
"....if you are filming with the consent of all parties involved and have an intent to distribute you go from the illegal transaction of prostitution (in most states) to the legal transaction of producing pornography (in most states)"
Oh, geez, not this again...
Paying money for "sexual gratification" is illegal, and called prostitution, and it doesn't matter if there is a camera filming it or not. If a jury believes you are paying for sexual gratification, you're guilty.
And if a jury believes that the porn you produced is "obscene", you're in a world of hurt, because now it's a federal charge. And if you distribute it (ie, give it to someone), you're in even more hurt.
And if you later distribute the video (ie, put it on a website, etc.), and don't follow federal requirements for labelling (called the US Code 2257 requirements), etc., you're in another world of hurt. Just ask the guy in California who got convicted earlier this year and is looking at at least 10 years for federal obscenity and 2257 labelling convictions:
And if you film without the required local permits and insurance, you might be guilty of a bunch of other stuff. And if you didn't get the right consent forms and use the video later on, you could get in more trouble.
The reason why guys in California, where porn production is considered "legal", get away with it is because there was a ruling long ago where they couldn't prove some actors were doing it for "sexual gratification", and also it was an attempt to get the producers in pimping/pandering charges, which didn't stick.
But that doesn't mean that any state can't re-evaluate that and come up with a case against you if someone complains. Yeah, you might get off, but it's certainly not a slam dunk. And in the process of figuring it all out it would cost you lots of money and pain. It depends on what a jury says, and NOBODY can predict that.
Just read that second link above, where a lawyer warns the porn industry about that recent case, and what a dangerous thing it is.
Bottom line, adding the porn production aspect to a prostitution case might actually end up being worse. Prostitution is a misdemeanor, but when you produce porn now you've entered the big leagues of federal obscenity laws. Yeah, it might save you, but there's no way to be sure. It sure as hell isn't a 'get out of jail free' card.
But I'm not a lawyer, so do your own research. You'll find out there's a lot of porn guys real nervous and looking over their shoulders because the laws aren't clear. And all it takes is someone complaining, or a new administration, or a DA willing to bring up charges.
This was a fuckin good topic my cock is so hard right now
Lol Juicey Juice!!!
BTW, an interesting point the lawyer made in that link...
Keep in mind that the conviction on obscenity and labelling was made UNDER THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, and in California, where supposedly porn is legal.
Holy crap. If they can get a conviction under a liberal administration in a liberal state where it's already "legal", just imagine if Romney gets elected and decides to try a case in Utah.
BTW, mrrock, personally I think videotaping your hijinks is fine. As long as it's just to jerk off to later on or whatever. Just don't let ANYONE else get a hold of it.
Hey, if nobody else knows, what's the harm? Yeah, it's slimy, but so what?
Now, if you let it get out, that seriously sucks and she should kick you in the balls. Just keep it private, and get rid of it when you're done.
I understand the no harm, no foul defense but don't agree. If you offer extra cash, I'm sure some would agree.
"No harm, no foul" Again, how would you feel if an escort had several videos of you fucking her (or whatever shit you might be into) on tape locked in a cabinet? I know I wouldn't be happy.
Some of you boys are just to pussy and little bitches...and if you want some of juice then by all the Fuck means come cut you off a little slice from my white cracker ass stupid fags
jestie-girl: " I know I wouldn't be happy"
You're never happy jestie. In fact, non-happiness is the whole essecence of your being. So you do that would make you unhappy, but you're not happy anyway. No one would even be able to tell the difference!
I have the power of.Grayskull !!!!!
"...how would you feel if an escort had several videos of you fucking her (or whatever shit you might be into) on tape locked in a cabinet?"
Holy crap, I'd be pissed. But then again I've never used an escort, so it's not a problem. And personally, there's no way in hell that I would videotape us if I did use an escort. That's just dumb.
But like I said, if the OP does it then that's fine with me. :)
Personally I consider it pretty shitty to videotape anyone fucking if they don't know about it.
If they're okay with it? Eh, maybe in the right situation. Though personally it's not something I would hold on too.