My attempt at OTC. What do you think?

10/30/2012 3:32:46 PM

This happened today. I am new to TUSCL I have been going to strip clubs for years and I am still trying to crack the code for the OTC thing. Still learning. I am in my early fifties and fairly normal looking. Dress well and can carry on a conversation. I met this one her name is â€œPâ€ over six months ago and we hit it off. Very hot, 35 could pass for 25, gave me her number and we texted back and forth, she danced for me a few times and we had a real good time. Club has no extras so it was full contact. But she let me get away with some stuff. I attempted the OTC today and here is the text string verbatim. Please any comments or advice would be great. My comments in parentheses.

Me: Hey girl how are you
Her: Hi
Me: how is it goin today
Her: I blew a tire in my car
Me: that's not good
Her: I also have a pinched nerve so I have to go fix that (more SS)
Me: that's too bad (I see an opening)
Me: Sweetie I can help with thisâ€¦but I will need something also (im goin in)
Her: how could you help and what would you need? (looks like and opening)
Me: I thought you were referring to financial problems
Her: so what could you possibly want in return? My new tire is $181 (appears we are getting somewhere)
Me: wellâ€¦
Me: a couple of hours to play at my hotel
Her: I can pay for my own tire thanks
Her: I am not a hooker!! (shit, but hey nothing lost if she gets offended I figure)
Me: no you are not (damage control)
Me: I just thought we could help each other out
Her: I don't do anything outside of the club (OTC yes she gets it, but not biting)
Her: and for $181? You've lost your mind (my bad? offer was too low? should have been more clear?)
Me: well I was not trying to offend you and you said the amount
Me: I have heard about people who have mutually beneficial arrangements
Me: not my area of expertise (trying to settle her down)
Me: sorry (talk her off the ledge)
Her:yes
Her: I have had sugardaddies (I knew it!)
Her:I don't have sex with them (bullshit)
Me: well I understand (does not sound like sugardaddies, if there is no sugar)
Me: but I would need more (staying firm on what I want)
Me: what would you need (persistence)
Her: what would you need?
Me: what I said before
Her: people play in different ways (its on again?)
Me: full sex (direct)
Her: I don't have sex unless I am in love (I know for a fact this is bullshit, but hey she is a stripper)
Her: so that's not going to work.
Me: what is available? (still trying)
Her: how much $ if it were to get sexual (its on once again?)
Me: you tell me (trying to get her to make an offer)
Me: no club to pay, nothing weird, no drama, no judgment, no jealousy, just fun (trying to sell it)
Her: I want to know how much because it may not be worth me not going to work (is she playing me?)
Me: 400
Her: Lol no thank you (she is, no counter offer)
Me: then you tell meâ€¦do not need all night
Me: well I keep making offersâ€¦what is your offer?
Her: but I would not go to work anyway, its fine. I am not interested.
Me: oh wellâ€¦sorry to hear that

That is it what would you have done different. I am a newb but I thought it was a good attempt?

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Alucard

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12 years ago

Would have stopped the conversation earlier. Sounds like she is not interested, particularly at a LOW price.

Try to find a "Hungrier" dancer who is more interested. Perhaps try to get the dancer to ask about OTC.

Sowhatt

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12 years ago

Hypothetically: I woulda stopped right after she turned down the 181 and not continued the conversation. If she was interested, she would have caved and texted you back eventually with what she'll take. THEN you negotiate.

Revo

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12 years ago

How do you get them to ask about OTC?

And yeah I probably let it go on too long.

Lone_Wolf

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12 years ago

Not bad for a first time. Liked how you kept it direct and to the point. Keep going to the club and don't mention it again. Keep texting but no more negotiating. I suspect she'll eventually accept.

Alucard

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12 years ago

If you are generous with $$$$ in the club a dancer may well bring up the subject of OTC. Dropping subtle veiled little hints may help.

Or find that really money hungry dancer and be direct. Can help if it is the end of the month when Rent is due.

stenton1

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12 years ago

Make a final offer, and then walk for good. By virtue of the fact that she kept the conversation going shows that she can be had OTC. If she wants it, she'll get back to you. Prolonged silence always works for me. If you don't hear back, there are many others who will! I don't really like her defensive tone while texting you, which tells me that even if she did meet you OTC, the sex would be worthless.
Personally, I'd forget her, but good luck!

Lone_Wolf

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12 years ago

stenton1 makes an excellent point about the her tone. Probably a waste of cash even if she says yes.

JuiceBox69

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12 years ago

Offer $2,000 bro

mrrock

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12 years ago

She talked about the pinched nerve on top of the tire so yeah you may have wanted to go higher definately than your 400.00 offer. When she asked you how much money I think you were ok saying you tell me but then you went on. You shoulda left it there and waited for the response. Always let her make the first offer then see if you can negotiate. Or just pay what she asks and she will probably come down in future sessions.

georgmicrodong

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12 years ago

I would also have stopped after she turned down the $180 off as well. At that point, I would have assumed that either she wasn't interested, in which case there's no point in continuing, or that she is playing for more, in which case she'll come back with another offer. Either way, addressing other subjects is a wiser course of action than rehashing.

Revo

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12 years ago

Guys thanks for the input. It really helps. I think I will offer the $2k.

Stanton, I think you may be onto something her tone has been somewhat negative already.m

Doc_Holliday

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12 years ago

Whoa whoa whoa!!! Just how hot is this bangtail??

You can get a fine ass, low volume, no 'woe is my pinched nerve' so bad sex, escort for the night for that amount...

JuiceBox69

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12 years ago

Doc just let him be a high tolling pimp like.juicy j does....dont hate bitch

jester214

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12 years ago

And make sure to give her a $500 tip.

Clackport

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12 years ago

Just move on to the next girl.

georgmicrodong

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12 years ago

Damn! 2K? That's 10 times what I'll be giving my SB tomorrow for at *least* two hours of playtime.

I think you need to settle down and think with the head that's on your shoulders...

Alucard

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12 years ago

For $2000 she had better be a perfect 12 and a sexual Beastie in bed for many hours. But that's what I'd need for $2000.

Ermita_Nights

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12 years ago

Give her $2K of Juice's money.

Seriously, I would never do this by text. I'd start the conversation at the club, then if necessary continue it by phone. But maybe that's just me.

Doc_Holliday

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12 years ago

But Juicy pays all his girls in XBox LIVE points?!

Revo

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12 years ago

Kidding on the 2k. I'm horny but not crazy.

Good point about the text vs in person. Probably did not help.

Alucard

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12 years ago

In person you can observe body language and voice tone at the same time and look in her eyes. And a little casual body contact doesn't hurt.

SuperDude

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12 years ago

Get another dancer in the same club and spoil her a little. The word will get back to your hottie and she will cave. Cash is king.

Stiletto25

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12 years ago

Shes definitely not interested. It is possible that she only has sex when shes in love. I do. $180 is a low offer but so is $400. Im not advising you offer more though. You should be able to find someone in your desired price range

Doc_Holliday

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12 years ago

Seriously, I've only been with a couple escorts one was cheap, the other included a night of fun, a comfy bed and a meal better than most b&b's... a bfb: bed, fuck & breakfast if you will. Both for less.

Doc_Holliday

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12 years ago

Er... less than $2000 not $400 (my phone connection delayed).

JuiceBox69

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12 years ago

Haaaaa doc you got me lol

jester214

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12 years ago

$400 is low Stiletto? What's the middle? For that matter, what's high?

lopaw

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12 years ago

Wow.
Very interesting text exchange there.

shadowcat

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12 years ago

I would have ended it with "I have $200 if you ever change your mind".

Dougster

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12 years ago

If the pussy is for sale then $400 will definitively buy it or second possibility, strippers who think their pussy is worth above $350 are absolutely terrible fucks. Might charge you $2000 make you wear a hazmat suit for her protection and the tell you you are getting the deal of the century.

HowdyPilgrims

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12 years ago

400 isn't low. OP, if you are willing to spend 400 for sex, then just move on to the next girl. For that money they will be lining up. If you go to clubs in smaller cities/smaller clubs odds are its double what she'd make on a weeknight.

Also, why would this stripper give you her number if she didn't do p2p? That is a new one on me. I've never had them give me a number and say "lets chat and gossip". I'd toss that number.

Estafador

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12 years ago

400 is low? Pussy isn't worth that much now. You females are trying to sell salt to a slug. According to all these big rollers, they seem to generally pay 400 (or around there) for sex and according to backpage, 150-350 is average joe price. If they want more than that or near that price range, they're trying to gut you like a fish and leave you above water. on to the next bro. Personally though, if you were really hungry, it would be good to mention that you wanted a bj and take extra steps in person to see how far you go (since she's already at your house)

shadowcat

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12 years ago

Howdy - I beg to differ with you. Many dancers have given me their number. They hint at P4P but in reality it is just a ploy to keep you interested in spending more money on them ITC. I have even heard "lets chat and gossip". I do toss the numbers.

Alucard

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12 years ago

Nothing wrong with chatting once in a while. ;))

Unless it is with Dougster. LOL I'd never get a word in edgewise! LMFAO

HowdyPilgrims

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12 years ago

Really Shadowcat?! wow. I stand corrected it does happen then. Hasn't yet for me, hopefully I've not jinxed myself by talking aboot it now.

lopaw

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12 years ago

The prime reason that dancers give out their phone number is to text customers to get them back into the club to spend more $$$ on them. It's by far the biggest reason she gives out her number. And many dancers now have separate phone accounts just for customer interaction, so that they don't have to give out their personal number.

Stiletto25

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12 years ago

Yes, $400 is low. Not everyone feels that way though, which is why I didnt advise OP to go up in price.

And Dougster, you are correct, i will charge you $2000 and dress you on a hazmat suit and convince you youre getting the deal of the century.........and then I still won't have sex with you. :)

Alucard

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12 years ago

You had better accept Stiletto25's deal Dougster before it goes up like gasoline prices. You won't find a better one. LMFAO

Clubber

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12 years ago

Wait a minute...

Do I understand that YOU were paying HER? That is wrong, so very wrong.

Dougster

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12 years ago

Like I say, my recollection is that you did a little more for money than you let on here. But you have the good girl image to mantain here, I understand. I won't say anymore. ;-)

jester214

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12 years ago

If you think $400 is low stiletto, I'm scared to know what you think is appropriate. I'm saying that given the market, obviously if you're not interested in p4p then any reasonable number is probably 'low'.

Dougster

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12 years ago

I would say $400 is too high for Seattle. Once you pay too high than service gets worse, with the cut off coming in around $350. Paid one girl $400 once and a different one $500 and learned that the hardway.

harrydave

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12 years ago

Fascinating range of advice. Just a couple of observations.

1) Effective negotiation technique is well known. First, don't act is if you care (too much). Second, establish your walk-away position before you start haggling. Then, figuratively, walk away.

2) Getting a girl OTC should be easy, or it's not gonna be any good. In my experience, girls either say yes pretty quickly and without much drama, or they put you through hell. (Even the ones who say yes quickly sometimes put you through hell. Why do we do this?)

This girl gave you her number to get you back in the club. She's not giving you anything OTC except blue balls.

Now what happens back in the club with her? Now that you have the OTC "bug", your relationship with her is problematical. Wishful thinking wont make it happen. For me, if I wanted OTC, I would move on to another girl. This is the equivalent of the walk away. If girl 1 changes her mind, let her come to you (more wishful thinking).

gatorfan

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12 years ago

You forgot to pull out your cock and fuck her.

Revo

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12 years ago

Thanks guys very helpful comments. Dougster I agree $400 should be enough and Harrydave, I take your point. I can see now that if she was willing then it would not be such a struggle. If not willing no price will be right. I will have to move on to another. Good club though and I do not want to make her mad and start telling all of the other girls, about our exchange.

I will have to step carefully. By the way I have gotten many strippers to give me their number over the years. OTC on the other hand has not been so easy.

Stiletto25

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12 years ago

@Dougster- I will happily admit that I gave some handjobs some few years back working for TW. I made good money doing them as I made good money just sitting and talking with someone sometimes.

If, in your post, you are implying that I've had vaginal intercourse or had someones penis in my mouth for money, that is completely false. There was absolutely no need for me to engage in that type of behavior with a stranger to make money and I'm quite offended by your post.

@jester- Youre right. Totally uninterested unless it would be for my few really good regulars. And I definitely would draw the line at sex. Its honestly not something I'm comfortable doing.

Estafador

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12 years ago

Who the hell pays money for a handjob? Guys can give themselves handjobs. To me, a handjob better be apart of the blowjob (covered)contract or I'm not paying

Stiletto25

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12 years ago

@Estafador- I have no clue. I dont even know what a handjob even feels like. I had tons of return customers which leads me to believe that my customers wanted to get off and have that physical interaction without going into the "sex" category, where they might feel they are "actually" cheating or pushing the limits too much.

Estafador

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12 years ago

Stilleto here's what I want you to do. Next time you happily give a man a HJ, after the hj is over, ask him what satisfaction he gets out of a women doing what he can do himself

JuiceBox69

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12 years ago

Esta hell I can tell you that brotha man Shit nothin fells as good as a soft and sexy hand running up and down my shaft and over the tip of my dick......

shadowcat

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12 years ago

And as one of my favorite dancers put it, while I was rubbing the hell outt of her clit "Ii can do that myself but it just feels so much better when someone else is doing it."

carolynne

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12 years ago

my advice would be just to ask her "do u ever see guys outside the club?". that will either start the negiotiating or she'll shut u down, but at least it won't seem so personal!

Digitech

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12 years ago

It varies from area to area, but for Missouri $400 is about the ceiling for two hours.

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