Okay, Joey, what's really going on? You asked a question about a bad experience at a club, and now you're reading nonsense about how to tell if a stripper likes you...
Something else is going on, isn't it, Joey? Okay, you're a young guy, right? New to strip clubs, raging hormones, not really sure of what's going on with girls and stuff, right? Okay, sit down and tell us what's really going on. You're among friends here.
Now, first of all, one thing you need to know about all strippers is this:
Strippers think that ANY guy who goes to a strip club to watch girls like her dance is a perv and a loser. They just do. Yeah, I know, it doesn't make sense. They're the sluts giving it up to hundreds of mens, but we're the pervs...
Anyway...
That brings us to point number 2: It's called "stripper logic".
Actually my buddy wanted me to read this and When I read this, I laugh at this. Really I been going to several different club and all. Really I read this and it made me wondered why some mens be caught up.
Dude, I couldn't even get pass the introduction page without foaming at the mouth. What a real pathetic guy this is. And whoever follows that cock & bull is a true loser who has absolutely no game. Bitch if she wanted you, she'd fuck you......for free. But..I'll continue reading, maybe I'm just annoyed that people can be this stupid.
Okay, Joey.
Well, I know it's tempting to think that a hot girl really likes you if she does the stuff that's written in that article. And in fact a lot of guys here really think that their favorite strippers actually like them. But we all know that all they care about is your money.
But even guys who've been doing this strip club stuff for decades fall into the trap, and pay strippers' rent and walk their dogs and stuff so the girls will like them. But the strippers are only being nice because of the money.
So my only advice is this:
Always remember, strippers don't really like you. No matter what they say, or what they do, they don't really like you. They can't like you, cuz you're a perv, Joey. You go to strip clubs.
So tell your buddy, if he really is your buddy, to go to a club for a couple hours of a good time, and then leave. Don't even think of having any sort of relationship with them. Unless you're prepared to pay for it.
tell me about it. there are mens who are caught up in that life. I remember I was at another strip club named strokers and there was this man who was so caught up in this girl. I felt sorry for him because he let the game get to him. It was really sad about it
nope, opinon doesn't change, he's really a loser. of course she'll defend you. She wants to make it look like she likes you to get your cash. She'll touch you to entice you and insist its personal when she entices you to return. Your a walking ATM. The real question is, has anyone met a PL on here, on another site or IRL?
"there are mens who are caught up in that life."
Good, Joey, at least you're realizing that while you're still young. Don't be one of those guys, Joey. You'll regret it.
In 20 years you'll be the guy trying to do ballroom dancing with a stripper in the club, trying to relive your youth. And the dancer will play along, because you're paying her rent, but all the time be thinking "holy crap, what a freakin' loser". And afterwards she'll go home to her boyfriend who will take your money and use it for drugs, and laugh while she's screwing your "girlfriend".
Im going to have to disagree with jerikson on one of his statements. I can't speak for all dancers but I can speak for myself when I say that I actually dont think all guys that watch me dance are perverts and losers. I dont know them. I don't know whats going on in their lives. I dont know what they believe in.
In order to think someone is a loser, I would have to have something more concrete than the fact that they are watching me dance.
"...but I can speak for myself when I say that I actually dont think all guys that watch me dance are perverts and losers."
Okay, point taken. But is that the inner voice of Stiletto, the one that says what you really, really feel deep inside, or the voice that some people use to convince themselves and others that they're really good people?
So for example, would you actually date and/or marry a guy who was a regular at a club (for real, not for money), or think that if you were serious he'd be still going to clubs and cheating on you?
I'm not a dancer, I just know that 99.9999999% of "relationships" I've heard about between dancers and customers are either only for money, or because she needs someone to be nice to her because she just broke up with her boyfriend, or she needs money, or the drugs are making her crazy, or maybe she just needs money.
joey2002 - the wide-eyed, naive, eager, young newbie.
jerikson40 - the grizzled, world-weary, cynical veteran.
Is either one of these cliche characters a real person? Doesn't really matter - it's been good for shits and giggles the last few days.
"My style is such that typically if I encounter a stripper that strikes my fancy, I’ll go back to see her weekly, each time flirting, subtly, deliberately."
You gotta love it. Flirting subtly with strippers. Don't be too forward because you might offend their delicate sensibilities!
@jerikson- Thats how I really feel. I dont need to be psycho babbled like a child either. Im an adult and I understand my feelings well. If I write that I feel a certain way, that's because I do.
Also, to answer your other question, I dont know if I would ever date a regular. Ive never had one that was" dateable" by my standards. Thats not because they were a loser or pervert though, and isnt that the issue at hand?
I have had a successful relationship with someone who is met inside the club. He saw me dance. I never once questioned his loyalty or if he was a loser or pervert.
Jerikson raises a very interesting question, which I think is being dismissed far too lightly as "psycho-babble". I know exactly the kind of strippers he is talking who will try to project a "good girl" image and claim they truly do like their regulars. Oh, but they would not a spend a second of time with them once they stopped paying. Oh, but it's not because they think they are losers, it's, uh, er, they'll have a million excuses for that one.
Similarly we see guys on here trying to project "nice guy"/respectful of the whores images. But what if their own daughter was having paid sex with strangers. How respectful would they be then?
Just classic cases of wanting to have it all ways. Don't let the people on here tell you they understand themselves well. Few do, and even out of those who do at least half will try and project an image different from what they know they really are.
Dougie, are you a preacher? And is it your goal to convert everyone to your "all knowing","grok" way of thinking? Go ahead Doug, time for you make something up!
Formulaic for dating strippers works about as well as formulaic for dating rich men. Most shit I see for "dating strippers" makes about as much sense as "The Rules" does for dating men.
How do you know if a dancer likes you?
Unfortunately, you can't. Especially if any income is derived from you.
Assuming "like" means more than in club friendship, then the best test is - tell her no more tips and you want to spend time with her in the real world.
That is at least a beginning. If she turns you down, you know where you stand. This is probably a good thing.
Cuz the next questions come from "Hey baby, can you come shopping with me?"
For me, if she spends more time spending your money than going on trips, going for walks, working on the house/apartment, going out to eat, talking about the future - especially talking about the future - well, you know where you stand then too.
@dougster- I get what youre saying but I still stand by what I wrote.
Im not gaining customers from this website. Im not making money. If I were going to lie to a customer or try to "make myself feel better", I'd do it to their face where it would be profitable.
Sooner or later you have to ask. If you get shot down, you get shot down.
Personally for me - [view link] (has hobbies and interests) is someplace where you have something in common with women that are participating. That's where you are most likely to find someone for the long term.
Use strip clubs for practice (and I don't mean "Lemme feel your tittays!" come on's either.)
I've been hitting SC's for a decade and a half and have learned this truth which most have already said on here. Strippers don't love you. They don't like you. They love your money. Plain and simple.
I would re-title it "How do you know if a dancer gives good GFE"
All of my top favs did all or almost all of the items listed.
I can still picture the fav who would shout my name as soon as I entered the club, then sprint over to me in her ridiculously high stripper shoes to give me a hug.
I think it's as basic as once a man pays for pussy the woman attached to the pussy cannot respect him, and once a woman sells pussy, the man cannot respect the woman selling that pussy. Both can pretend otherwise and be polite, but at a fundamental level, deep pre-requisites are broken. (Now every rule has an exception. If you are a rapper it's still true that it "ain't trickin' if you got it". For the other 99.999% of us...)
so then dougster, next time you get your O/ITC on with your local stripper, tell that bitch straight up, "listen, don't tell me sweet nothings. You think i'm a loser and I think you're a loser. Just shut up and suck my dick". Let us know how it goes buddy
Of course, Estafador, one should always vocalize every negative thought one has. For example if your mother is overweight I should say, "hey, fatso!" The first time I meet her. Let me know how that would work.
Of course, Estafador, one should always vocalize every negative thought one has. For example if your mother is overweight I should say, "hey, fatso!" The first time I meet her. Let me know how that would work.
Of course, Estafador, one should always vocalize every negative thought one has. For example if your mother is overweight I should say, "hey, fatso!" The first time I meet her. Let me know how that would work.
Of course, Estafador, one should always vocalize every negative thought one has. For example if your mother is overweight I should say, "hey, fatso!" The first time I meet her. Let me know how that would work.
@Stilleto: That is very admirable of you. However, there are plenty of stripper that I've met that think a guy is a loser by virtue of him setting foot inside a SC.
@Joey: Re the OP, that article is total bull. If you are fucking for free she like you. (In other words she isn't taking your money.) If she really likes you, and you are a big enough douche-bag, she'll give you her money so you can stay home and be a bum ass leach BF.
I believe Stiletto25 is being truthful. Dancers are people. They desire friendships, relationships, and yes they desire sex too.
I believe some dancers actually like/love certain customers. I have a couple of favs who actually like me for me.
Now does this mean I will run to Vegas with one of them and get married. No. But it does mean they like me enough to occasionally spend time with me (for free) outside the club when their boyfriend is in jail.
If that's not true love, I don't know what is.
Ok, so you spend x hundred on them in the club and they throw you back a couple of hours "for free" every blue moon. I fail to see how you conclude like from that. I thinks it's more like casinos comp'ing the occasional freebie to their spendiest customers. If you were to stop paying them altogether or they got out of the biz would they still see you "for free"?
^^^^^
She don't care about my car
She don't care about my money
And that's real good because I don't got alot to spend
But if I did it wouldn't mean nothin'
She likes me for me
Not because I hang with Leonardo
Or that guy who played in "Fargo"
I think his name is Steve
lemme pile on ... this thread's a blast.
The original article itself was funny enough - did anybody click on the link above it.
There's an International Pick-Up Artist Super Conference in Vegas in two weeks.
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That site is a non-stop riot !!!
(lopaw if you peed in your pants reading the original link - you're gonna have a sex change just so can attend this conference - for the sheer fun of it ! )
Some excerpts
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Intermediate (I) – for students can generate attraction, but have little-to-no results (i.e., phone numbers, dates, physical relationships, etc.)
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Well, shit! What does it cost? I would love to learn to score unpaid same night lays from strippers. I might need a little F, I, and A work, first, however.
dougster - the full package is 8 grands (on its web site).
... and they only had one guy ask for a refund in 5 years - and he came back next year anyway !
if you go - post a report - we'll all follow the sex-guru dougster's advice on picking up strippers !
I bet with those $8k fees they can hire some Hookers to pose as civies so no one asks for a refund. Or count on guys who aren't assertive enough to ask girls out to not be assertive enough to ask for a refund.
Hmmm... super conference or 400 $20 lap dances. Tough call...
Aww, come on Stiletto, I'm not attacking you. You're too nice and smart for me to do that.
I'm just making a point, and used you in my example. Sorry if that upset you.
Objectively, you know as well as I do that a lot of women/strippers are like that. Heck, most people in general are that way. They'll say stuff to project a good image, but in reality do or be something totally different. We probably all do that to some extent. It's not psycho babble, it's true, and you know it.
Be honest, you know as well as I do, and as most of us do, that many or most strippers have a very low opinion of guys who frequent strip clubs. Whether technically they would call them losers or morons or whatever isn't the point. The point is that they have a very low opinion of them. And, in general, they wouldn't be caught dead seriously dating or marrying one of those guys.
But how many would admit openly that they have such apparently shallow motives? Kind of like getting a woman to openly admit she'd never date a guy who was 6 inches shorter than her. It would make her seem shallow, so she'll never admit it.
Just like many/most strippers would NEVER tell others that they work as strippers. They'll say something that will make them look better. Not ALL strippers, but most. It's not psycho babble, it's just the way people are. Like Doug said, they want to project an image of themselves that is good.
@jerikson- I have would never date a guy six inches shorter than me. Seriously, I wouldnt. Im not into short guys. I dont care how it makes me sound. Ive dumped guys before for being the same height as me.
I do understand what you are saying about dancers and people in general. It is true in some cases. I just dont want to live that way.
Yes, there are people who say things to make themselves look better. They are called "fake". I dont waste my time on them in my "real life ". No one that knows me would call me fake. They would probably say Im too honest and I need a filter.
Okay, Stiletto, now let me ask a question along these same lines.
I've never quite understood the real reason why strippers assume such a negative opinion of strip club regulars, without even knowing them. Now I know you're different, so I'm not asking about you, I'm asking about girls you know, and who comment about the customers while you're in the dressing room, etc.
What is it that they find so negative?
Is it because they assume the guys can't get a date, therefore they must have some flaw such that no girls want them? Or because they're shallow and only care about pretty girls, not the "real me"? Or because they only care about sex? Or because the girls dread the idea of a future husband going to a strip club to watch pretty girls behind their back, and therefore would never marry them?
There has to be some reason, and it has to be big, because I think we all realize that it's VERY common for dancers to feel that way. Of course not all, but it's very common.
jerikson40: "I've never quite understood the real reason why strippers assume such a negative opinion of strip club regulars, without even knowing them."
Why care? I mean, I speak to the grocery store clerk, but I don't really care what she thinks of me. I go through life with all kinds of people trying to sell me stuff or trade. I think it is just a matter of being civil.
Friendship is rare. Love even more so.
I ask because I'm interested. I find it interesting to study and understand why people do what they do, and think what they think. Others couldn't give a shit, I find it fascinating.
I like mechanical stuff. It's fun for me to look at engines and stuff and try to figure out how they work. I'll take them apart, put them back together, because it's fun, and it's interesting. Do I give a damn if the engine really cares about me or not?
I'll give you a hint: no.
Wow! Very interesting thread!
I agree with most of you, I'd you're paying for her time in any way, she doesn't like you no matter how much bs she throws at you.
I only had one stripper who really liked me. We dated like I would date any civilian. She never asked me for money, and we had a genuinely nice time.
However, her mental demons and insecurities came into play after 2 months, which ultimately broke us up.
Yes, you can find a stripper who may really like you, but there's always a price to pay, either your wallet, or your mind. I don't know anyone who has had a successful long term relationship with one. If you have, I'd love to hear it.
@jerikson- My honest evaluation of girls like that, and I have met a few, is one of two things and probably a combo of both.
1. The dancer has a low opinion of herself, in general and as a dancer, and doesnt want to admit it to herself, So she goes around blaming patrons. It would be like a " I wouldn't have a job unless these perverts didnt come in so its not my fault". I know it seems weird but its a twisted way of thinking that deflects blame for their own lifes decisions on the patron, who they secrerly hate for making them feel so degraded on a daily basis.
2. They have a horrible idea of men, possibly some very bad trauma at the hands of a man. Stripping brings out those traumatized feelings and they don't know how ti handle it so they talk shit about patrons to mask the pain from themselves.
Hows that for psycho babble? I cant be sure if I'm correct on my analysis but I know the back story on a couple of the girls I've worked with that share the opinion of patrons that youve expressed, and they are damaged people
@stilleto wow...I can't even laugh at that. That's actually really horrible and now I feel bad, like I wanna show some of them the better aspect of life. Not sured if I can go to a strip club without thinking about how fucked up their head is...for all of two weeks. Still wanna date a strippedr though. Something I must experience
DAMN, Stiletto, I am so into you right now you can't imagine...
Listen to you, talkin' all smart and stuff. I'm very impressed. And you're probably EXACTLY right.
Now while it sounds like you're thinking maybe 20% of strippers think like that, I tend to think it's more like 80 or 90%. Guess it's impossible to know for sure. But I'm convinced that the vast majority of strippers have this basic low self esteem, childhood trauma thing going on that you're talking about. Not all, but most.
And Estafador, before you think you can go out there and change any of them or help any of them by showing them the "better aspect of life" or anything, don't bother. When you've got stuff going on from your childhood that affects you that deeply, you ain't NEVER gonna change them.
And that goes for anyone you ever meet. It's not just strippers. I'm convinced that most people you meet are fucked up in some way. Divorces, childhood traumas, abandonment by a parent, drugs, and on and on. That shit happens constantly, and will really fuck you up for the rest of your life. And once that happens, you'll never really change anyone. Either accept them, or move on.
And on a bright note, if it wasn't for fucked up strippers how would we have all that fun?
And Alucard, would you (and others) stop with that moronic "LMFAO" or "ROTFL" bullshit. Damn that is stupid. We know you're not rolling on the floor, or even laughing. That childish crap just makes people look like morons.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I think there are a *lot* of strippers who "like" their customers, for varying definitions of "like". Considering all the reasons we like people, ranging from really shallow things such as "she lets me play with her boobs" all the way to important ones like "rescued me from burning to death in a fire", who's to say "he gives me cash" is not a legitimate reasons to like someone?
Do *all* strippers like their customers? Of course not. But liking someone doesn't imply that you'll bail them out of jail, or even pick them up in your car when it's raining, it just means that you're getting something from the relationship, however small and insignificant to others that something might be.
Does my sugar baby like me? Quite probably. Does she like me because I'm a sweetheart who is respectful and gives her good sex? No, she likes me because I'm a sweetheart who is respectful and gives her good sex, and *money*. That doesn't change the fact that she likes me. There's nothing wrong with her reasons, nor are they particularly horrible ones. After all, I like *her* because she gives me great sex (yeah, I'm getting the better part of *that* end of the transaction), and doesn't want anything but money. No marriage, no holidays, no love, nothing I don't want to give. Hard not to like someone who believes in fair trade.
Because after all, we *all* trade for affection, love and sex. Some of us trade affection, love and sex in return, some trade more tangible things, like cash. Neither of those things, in my opinion, is any more or less moral or worthy than the other.
Let's cut the crap, what you mean is, how do you know if a stripper is sexual attracted to you. Every time a woman fucks you, and doesn't (seem to) do it to get something from you, you can increase your estimate of how much she is sexually attracted to you. Some men all of the time, and most men some of the time, have to motivate women to be sexual with them for reasons other than attraction. Women will often be motivated to fuck you if you spend time with them, help them financially, commit to them. Women will often claim that one or more of these things will actually make you more attractive to them. Perhaps, but I think they exaggerate if not lie. More generally, your question is "when should I get my hopes up?". The answer is "never". Count your chickens when they are hatched and not before. Easier said than done, but it's a good goal. If you are interested in someone as a friend or lover or both, politely ask them to spend some (unpaid) time with you. If you are hesitant to ask, ask yourself why? The answer is probably because you're afraid they might be as a-hole about it. Generally, the reason you're afraid someone might act like a a-hole is because they are an a-hole. A-holes do not make good friends. An a-hole as a lover is better than no sex at all, but preferably it's on a fee-for-service basis.
Wow, can't believe I missed this. I have a lot of experience with this because all strippers really like me.
Seriously, I think strippers may like them, but can't respect the regulars that they can manipulate easily. The guy that runs to the club when texted. The guys that show they have a life and drop by whenever, and leave. Kind of the same as dating.
I've dated like that once. I only chilled with a chick when it was convenient for me, I had nothing better to do and I wanted something pretty to look at. That's how all initial relationships are alucard. Get with the program already. Do you seriously find yourself hanging out with your friends even though you have stuff to do and when it may NOT be convenient for you? I can't believe you do; especially if you have big bucks to spend at the club. that means you put the effort in to stick to work and play on a whim.
I feel sorry for that woman Estafador, being objectified in that manner. But we're from different generations. I know how to treat a woman properly in a dating situation. I am guessing that perhaps young women of your generation just don't wish to be treated with respect, politeness, kindness. Perhaps they expect all the guys of their generation to behave like Assholes.
eh that's one way to look at it and I guess I "might" agree if I were in your shoes. But what we can both agree on is, yes women of my generation EXPECT men to be assholes (to a degree). I guess they find the chase more fun? I dunno.
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