Hi guys and girls. My question is regarding how to determine if a dancer will give good mileage in the backroom without getting a pre dance from her. My wife and I usually go to the strip clubs a couple times a year. We have been to the Rhino many times, in Las Vegas. One of us usually gets a dance out on the floor and we get a good indication if the girl is a good grinder, or has high energy, good personallity or the possiblilty of high mileage in the back room. By high mileage i mean, letting us feel her up and down, minus the kitty, although that would be great, kissing her breasts, letting me touch my wife and vice versa and kissing my wife. We have found a couple of dancers like this in Vegas, but not so much in Ontario where we reside. The problem in Ontario, the Sundowner for example, is you can't get a dance on the floor, you have to both go in the back at 20 a song for each of us. If the dancer is garbage, it's 40 right down the drain. They also don't approach us as much as they do in Vegas, where they usually hop in my lap and begin a conversation. So is there a way to determine if the dancer meets our needs, the one's i stated earlier, or should i buy a crystal ball. I'm tired of playing the guessing game and getting a sleeper or air dancer or a dancer who talks the whole time! Answers are appreciated. Thanks.
Have you tried just making your desires known, in as non-sleazy a way as possible? Seems I've read a time or two on here that Ontario strip clubs can be pretty...permissive. I'm sure a Canadian fan or two will chime in sooner or later with some other club suggestions, but mine is to simply ask, and be prepared to take refusal with some grace.
That is really a good question. Probably the only thought I'd have is to do your research on this and other similar sites. Usually other customers will give you some honest feedback. I recently visited a club in the Chicago area where a dancer was quite visually appealing and gave me lots of indications in our pre-dance chat time that she's be hot and sexy. Turns out that her idea of a good dance was a HARD grind that nearly rubbed the little head right off my body. The great sensuality she showed on the floor was nowhere to be found in VIP. I guess I'm saying that there's no substitute for the single lap dance to gauge what you might get later. But your online research should give you some ideas for what to expect.
@yzerjag: "How to know if a dancer will be any good in vip room?"
After a while you can just tell from the "vibe" you are getting. But if you want an analytical rule I think the best one is that there are basically two kinds of strippers. Those who are actually trying to be nice and do things guys like in order to make money, and those who think it is all about hustling and running scams. So talk to them for a few minutes and see which category you think they fall into. Trust your instinct. (Obviously you want to go for ones in the first camp.)
Having been to The Sundowner, and concluding it's an (overrated!) "Wanna dance?" lap dance factory, you may need to travel for a weekend away. But I'm surprised you can't leverage up your 'bigger buy' at The Sundowner: Instead of paying $20 each per dance, why not $30 total? The dancer still makes more and you get a discount.
The trip away suggestion: The Missaugua and Brampton clubs have a cheap $30 payout for the dancers. While the stated rate is $20 per song for a dance in the VIP, many, many of the dancers are actively seeking bigger paydays. What I mean is start with paying $20 for one dance for the two of you (it's slow enough in there the gals will be standing around and ready for opportunities) with a dancer who agrees to do it topless with touching everywhere but the panties for the song. That's the standard deal had by a stag, fyi. The dancer may be resistent and/or try to work you for more dough--counter with if it's good we may buy more and that you don't know how good the performance will be so you only want to pay $20 for the first song. You should get some takers. Then if the performance is good, keep renewing! Provided you don't push her boundaries too far, she's going to happy with scoring $100 for 5 dances and know that her bar payout is already in the bag. WAY better than The Downer too!
Dancers are human beings, so nothing is guaranteed. Dance quality varies by her mood, when you catch her during the night, how you look, how you dress, how cheap you seem, when rent's due, etc. If you want something reliable, rent a porno. I'm not trying to be mean to you, but one of the pleasures of strip clubs is that you can't anticipate what will happen. Some days are good, some are bad, and based on my latest experience, some just smell bad. And if you're looking for cheap action, strip clubs aren't the place to go. They're really about fantasy. If you want an escort, find an escort.
We have NEVER, even in the restricted "no touching" clubs had anyone say anything to us about a man touching his female partner during dances. In fact, one dancer at a no touch club, specifically told us that any touching between the two of us was not "management's concern" but that the action would be limited to one way from dancer to male and limited two way from female to female. We have always found that most dancers have different couple rules.
I am starting to get worried here because it is becoming frequent, but I agree with GMD. :-) ASK. Share whatever rules you have as a couple with her and ask what rules she has. We have never had anyone refuse to answer and we have gotten the best case scenario, "We can do whatever each of us wants to do" more than a handful of times. In most of our cases, the female has pretty much been able to do whatever she wants to do.
dancers are pretty good at selling the fantasy, but often don't deliver. many times I have been persuaded to go to VIP with the promise of "it's a lot better in private" to be greatly disappointed by what was really on the menu.
There's a third category of dancer besides the two that I mentioned above. The kind that does not want to talk much at all. This one can go either way in terms of VIP/LD quality. If she is hot enough, you'll just have to take her for an LD spin, to find out for sure. (Effort she is putting into her stage show can be some kind of hint, but, at the extreme, if she is going really overboard it can be to misdirect you from the fact that her LDs suck.)
IMO, milage is determined more by which club you go to than which dancer you pick (at least in the clubs I've been to). In general, milage will top out at whatever management can tolerate and dancers tend to work where ever they are confortable with what the club allows.
Based on OP, I'm assuming you live near Niagra Falls. Obvious question, have you considered Toronto? (once again, sorry Art!)
Or, just ask the dancer what are her limits. There will always be ROBs out there, but I have almost always gotten an accurate discription of what's allowed just but asking what are her rules for the dance.
You can't really tell just buy looking at a dancer how good her private dances are. First thing you must remember is that in strip clubs it's all an illusion. Most dancers learn quickly how to sell themselves, whether she is on stage, at your table, or just walking through the club. Which makes any vibe you are feeling from a dancer suspect.
I have seen far too many dancers that really work the stage, and give all the hints of a great time in the back, who end up being complete duds in the private area.
The easiest method I have found is to observe how long a dancer stays in the private dance area with a customer. If she is consistently there for less than three songs she likely isn't that good, and I skip her. If she is very popular and is consistently back there for many songs then she is one I will sample.
The reality is that you never really know until you take her back for the first time. But there are ways that you can maximize your odds of having a good time.
In my humble opinion gmd hit the nail on the head: just talk to her about what you are looking for. Now that "vibe" stuff is all well and good - and it is sometimes true to a degree - but there are also some girls who can fake it well right up until you've paid to go the the VIP/CR. There are others around here that say that you need to take the girl for a LD "test drive" but I've never really found that to be a very reliable way of determining whether she will go even further in a VIP and there are plenty of girls who will rub your package over the pants, and do other things to motivate you, and then provide a fairly plain vanilla VIP performance.
But it is rare that a girl will actually agree to something specific and then back out when she is in VIP. I'm not saying it does not happen, but not too often in my experience. For example, if you are looking for sex, the ones that don't/won't do that sort of thing will usually crack when it comes up in the discussion, or will otherwise try to avoid giving a straight answer. I suspect that the reason that some other guys feel the need to go through these gymnastics is that they are simply too bashful to be direct, and I was also like that once upon a time, but nowadays I just don't have the patience to go through a lot of false starts and I don't really give a shit about whether I offend her simply by asking (though of course I am always nice to any dancer I deal with), and neither should you.
So my advice, which echoes gmd's, is to just talk with your chosen target about what you are looking for.
Send the wife back for a one on one with her, and tell her to explain your rules like mrs mootpoint said.
It's really hit and miss, and there is no science to it. I've found the best way is too bring a big bankroll, and tip everyone. The bouncers, wait staff and bartenders will inform you if you ask them, afterwards. Also I have found that the dancers loosen up when they've seen you get dances from other girls. Especially of the club is slow.
If you are on a tight budget, this won't help much.
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After a while you can just tell from the "vibe" you are getting. But if you want an analytical rule I think the best one is that there are basically two kinds of strippers. Those who are actually trying to be nice and do things guys like in order to make money, and those who think it is all about hustling and running scams. So talk to them for a few minutes and see which category you think they fall into. Trust your instinct. (Obviously you want to go for ones in the first camp.)
The trip away suggestion: The Missaugua and Brampton clubs have a cheap $30 payout for the dancers. While the stated rate is $20 per song for a dance in the VIP, many, many of the dancers are actively seeking bigger paydays. What I mean is start with paying $20 for one dance for the two of you (it's slow enough in there the gals will be standing around and ready for opportunities) with a dancer who agrees to do it topless with touching everywhere but the panties for the song. That's the standard deal had by a stag, fyi. The dancer may be resistent and/or try to work you for more dough--counter with if it's good we may buy more and that you don't know how good the performance will be so you only want to pay $20 for the first song. You should get some takers. Then if the performance is good, keep renewing! Provided you don't push her boundaries too far, she's going to happy with scoring $100 for 5 dances and know that her bar payout is already in the bag. WAY better than The Downer too!
I am starting to get worried here because it is becoming frequent, but I agree with GMD. :-) ASK. Share whatever rules you have as a couple with her and ask what rules she has. We have never had anyone refuse to answer and we have gotten the best case scenario, "We can do whatever each of us wants to do" more than a handful of times. In most of our cases, the female has pretty much been able to do whatever she wants to do.
Don't try. Fork over the bucks for a "pre dance." It's the best indicator.
Based on OP, I'm assuming you live near Niagra Falls. Obvious question, have you considered Toronto? (once again, sorry Art!)
Or, just ask the dancer what are her limits. There will always be ROBs out there, but I have almost always gotten an accurate discription of what's allowed just but asking what are her rules for the dance.
I have seen far too many dancers that really work the stage, and give all the hints of a great time in the back, who end up being complete duds in the private area.
The easiest method I have found is to observe how long a dancer stays in the private dance area with a customer. If she is consistently there for less than three songs she likely isn't that good, and I skip her. If she is very popular and is consistently back there for many songs then she is one I will sample.
In my humble opinion gmd hit the nail on the head: just talk to her about what you are looking for. Now that "vibe" stuff is all well and good - and it is sometimes true to a degree - but there are also some girls who can fake it well right up until you've paid to go the the VIP/CR. There are others around here that say that you need to take the girl for a LD "test drive" but I've never really found that to be a very reliable way of determining whether she will go even further in a VIP and there are plenty of girls who will rub your package over the pants, and do other things to motivate you, and then provide a fairly plain vanilla VIP performance.
But it is rare that a girl will actually agree to something specific and then back out when she is in VIP. I'm not saying it does not happen, but not too often in my experience. For example, if you are looking for sex, the ones that don't/won't do that sort of thing will usually crack when it comes up in the discussion, or will otherwise try to avoid giving a straight answer. I suspect that the reason that some other guys feel the need to go through these gymnastics is that they are simply too bashful to be direct, and I was also like that once upon a time, but nowadays I just don't have the patience to go through a lot of false starts and I don't really give a shit about whether I offend her simply by asking (though of course I am always nice to any dancer I deal with), and neither should you.
So my advice, which echoes gmd's, is to just talk with your chosen target about what you are looking for.
It's really hit and miss, and there is no science to it. I've found the best way is too bring a big bankroll, and tip everyone. The bouncers, wait staff and bartenders will inform you if you ask them, afterwards. Also I have found that the dancers loosen up when they've seen you get dances from other girls. Especially of the club is slow.
If you are on a tight budget, this won't help much.