You ever feel bad about a new dancer looking sad and rejected because you quickl

What's your opinion of partying girls in strip clubs? Houston clubs I've been to don't allow single females to come into the clubs because of the possibility of her being a hooker who is:

A) Doing something illegal, and a club isn't supposed to knowingly tolerate illegal activity on their property, and...

B) Stealing business from girls working the club.

or rejecting dancers?

Clubs refer to dancers as independent contractors and treat them as such. Dancers are independent contactors. They are marketing a product. They are responsible for presentation to the customer in such a away that catches the customer's attention and makes the customer want to buy the product.

Many dancers don't bother to study business, let alone understand it. Every decision they make in a club is a business decision. Some understand to check a customer's shoes,teeth, and drink as suitability for profitability. However, if the dancer is 19 and cute and she turns her nose up at a fat and balding, but well dressed customer, it's her fault if she struggles with tip out and locker fees because fat old guys turn her off.

Granted, it's easy to get grossed out if a guy turns them off, but punching a clock, for many, is difficult. Very few and lucky are those who actually look forward to going to work every day. A dancer is selling sex. It's her responsibility to keep good hygiene and be relatively sober to keep her wits about her to make money in a situation where clothes, morals, and often good judgement hit the floor.

I wish there was an easy way to reject dancers. The, "Mind if I sit with you?" line is difficult to answer without making them feel rejected. I think the best question dancers have asked that doesn't make me feel as though I reject them is the, "Care for some company?".

Now if a dancer I WANT to sit with me comes up, I don't much give a damn what she asks, but I do hope she at least has some conversational skills. I recall a club in Texas where this lovely Asian (my favorite) dancer asks to sit with me. I was going to ask her anyway when she got on stage. Of course I accepted. We exchanged a few lines of "conversation", then she did a couple of dances for me. She then sat on my lap and I found out she was as dumb as a rock. No conversational skills at all. Lucky for me, she got up to go outside and smoke.

If it's a new dancer I don't know, then I don't feel bad about turning her down for a dance.

I do sometimes "feel bad" turning down dancers that I got lap dances from before, but for one reason or another didn’t “click” with. I've even got reluctant to stage tip some of them, since they take that as interest and come around afterwards looking for a dance.

Just comes with the territory I guess.

Honestly I may feel a tinge of guilt for about a second, but I quickly push it aside and do the old heave ho. It is not my job to support evry dancer in the club, just the ones that I like. She was selling but I wasn't buying, period.

Little baby lions look really cute and vulnerable too, but it won't stop them from gnawing on your limbs if you get too caught up in their drama.

rick, big lions and tigers can be very dangerous but a little pussy never hurt anyone.

Feel bad about rejecting a dancer? I seem to recall a similar discussion not too long ago where someone, maybe lopaw, commented something like "how quick would most of these girls be to shoot me down if this was a 'normal' bar and I hit on her?"

Had one ask me the other night, "so, do you like me?" After all of thirty seconds conversation. I try not to be impolite, especially in the face of that much apparent desperation, but the best I could come up with was "I don't have an opinion one way or the other."

I do feel bad at times, but usually feel worse if I say "Yes" to someone I'd rather not sit with and spend time/money on. Like dating in real life, once you decide she's not the one, every minute spent thereafter wastes both your and the girl's time. Best to be polite and swift.

This brings up a related thought. Have you ever said "No" to a girl only to then watch her with someone else and think, "Damn - she's better than I thought." Then you feel kind of sheepish trying to get her attention later. Luckily, dancers seem to have a short memory in clubs, so if I was polite and my money's green, all is usually forgiven.

I recently met a dancer in a club I've only been to a few time, and she told me she remembered me from another club in the same town. Thinking I was just kidding, I asked her if I was rude to her and to my surprise, she said "yes". I don't remember this girl from Adam so I asked her what I did that was rude. She said she came over to me and asked if she could sit with me and I told her I was waiting on someone else, which of course is the TUSCL way. Knowing the club, I'm sure I was waiting on someone else because at this club, if a dancer you've been sitting with gets up for her stage rotation or to go to the restroom, you can be pretty sure one will swoop down on you. I did get a dance from her at the new club and it was lame as hell.

lol shadow - that was good.

Rod, money in hand will result in forgiveness almost every time. ;)

OK, she wasn't a newbie but rather a favorite. I had just gotten a HJ and my pants were very messy. I was having a cigarette and finishing my drink before leaving. She came over and wanted to sit in my lap. I said NO, she pouted, turned around and walked away. I thought that was a shitty thing to do. Especially to a favorite. On my way out I latched on to her and explained. She smiled. She understood.

If you gave a shit about every stripper you turned down or quickly away from, you would end up spending a fortune on these girls. No, I don't notice rejected strippers and I think the better strippers know how to handle the word no or maybe later very well.

If a dancer starts talking about how she has so many bills and needs to sell LDs that is almost always a turn off for me.

samsung1 - I hear you on the dancer sob stories. It's a total buzz kill, as it would be under most any social setting. And if I was on the VIP fence with the girl, the stories will kick me over to the "No" side. I figure if she's groveling even before we go in there, it's going to pick up double-time relative to tipping during and after.

If a dancer is extremely hot and starts talking about how many bills, it's an opportunity to fuck her. Two sides to every coin, but don't be stupid and pay her bills.

To me, it depends on the dancer's approach. I was in one club for 30 seconds when a shot girl plopped herself down in my lap and told me that I looked like I needed a shot and a massage. I told her no thanks, that I had just gotten there and wanted to chill. She kept pushing it and finally remarked that I looked bored. I said that maybe that was because I had told her "no" 3 times and she was still there. She said "wow" and got up and walked away.

I didn't feel one bit of guilt over her.

On the flip side, if a dancer is nice about it, but I'm just not interested (or at least, not then), I'll turn her down nicely, but ask her name. This generally makes her feel better, that maybe I'll look her up later. And even if I don't, she'll have forgotten soon anyway.

LeeH - Nice touch on asking for the name. I too have noticed that when I greet her and sometimes shake hands while asking for her name (and sharing mine), plus look her straight in the eye, they seem to take a turn-down reasonably well. I usually do imply "perhaps later," and like you said, the rejection doesn't go down so hard, even though I've just about never had one come back.

Good dancers and good customers eventually connect because they both know how to read people quickly and figure out who they like. It takes a long time to master this skill and we are always learning from our mistakes. I try to be open-minded and give most girls a chance to connect. If it doesn't happen, I might take one inexpensive courtesy dance, but that's it. Asking for a second dance in a row makes most new dancers really happy, so in borderline cases, go for 2 (if its a 2 for 1, go for a third dance--that really tickles them) and see what happens. I always try to be polite and positive (assuming the dancer has been as well) even when I say "no thanks."