When the ATF flakes on meetings

Fool me once, shame on you. ool me twice....

You've been getting special privileges 'for free'?!? My hero!

That aside, she's probably wised up to the fact she's not going to receive a long-term commitment from you eventhough she mave have wanted it. So now she feels no remorse about leaving you 'high and dry'.

Either you need to present her with a bouquet of roses and ask her to move in, or, prepare the ATM card for a possible hemorrhaging as I bet she likes currency...

I have no idea how "may" became "mave"...

I've been in this almost-identical situation. At first I got pissed off b/c I thought it was disrepectful of her to just blow me off. And it was, no doubt about it. But then I just said what the hell, I'm getting it for free and I'm certainly not interested in any type of relationship with her (the latter part is the key). It's no-commitment, casual sex so just roll with whatever happens. If she calls and shows up then great. If she doesn't then don't worry about it, there are far more important things in life to dwell on. But if she keeps blowing you off I wouldn' worry about being so loyal to her at the club....get more dances from other girls. If she acts jealous just bring up her no-shows and say you thought it meant she wasn't interested anymore. That might get her back in line, and it lets you remain the one who is in control of the situation.

Who says just because you have an ATF she will meet you OTC for free? In my playbook, any dancer who's attained ATF status is still a dancer and therefore still working whether ITC of OTC. If you graduate to something on a higher relationship level, then maybe the sex is for real and for free too, but in those cases there's room for jealosy all around, not just a one-way thing.

But if a dancer, ATF or whatever, is not following through on a commitment I think you're working with a bad apple. In that situation, the dancer needs to learn who's in control. Spend your money with someone else.

Timbuck12 is 100% right.

You rode the gravy train and it has come to the end of the line. This happens, particularly in a lucky situation like that. As you (should) know, it is rare for a stripper to meet a customer for free OTC sex.

If shifting your loyalties brings her back around, great. If not, then "thanks for the memories."

Another take on this. Sometimes the dancer just doesn't know how to handle the OTC request she really isn't comfortable with. But she's trained to say whatever we want to hear, so we get all the stripper shit we're used too, even when we're talking real business.

My buddies and I once were set up a private party with two dancers and it seems one was willing but the other one was never really going to do it, she just went along for the moment. On the day of the appointment she was a no-show without the courtesy of any warning. She was young enough to be somewhat naive but old enough to know better. I saw her in the club a few days later and told her what I thought of her business practices and kindly suggested that she never promise anything to a regular customer in the club that she couldn't deliver; that in the long run this would serve her better than getting a bad reputation from not delivering something. She never over-extended herself again and turned out to be an OK dancer and a good person to party with occassionally in the club, but I never spent big bucks on her again. She's now out of the business.

Another case study. At another club we found two girls who were a lot of fun in the private dance area. They both delivered on their ITC promises. We set up a private party OTC with both of them. One was ready to show up but the other backed out with every excuse in the book. She turned out to be a lying sack of shit so I put her on my shit list and never spent any more money on her. One of my buddies got suckered into her net again but got burned--again.

I've had much better results than these two stories, but the lesson is always the same--never reward bad behavior unless it's the kind we like.

Hope you enjoyed it while it lasted. She gave herself to you for awhile, and may have hoped you would be exclusive with her. Seeing you still coming to the club for others may have aggravated or even hurt her feelings. Standing you up might be her payback to you.

three strikes and you're OUT

Offer her money like say $100. Free pussy is elusive, enjoy it while it lasts bu sooner or later everyone pays.

It's ok to ask for opinions without qualifying it. What's the difference?

Expecting a stripper to remember something at the end of her shift if you're not around (let's assume the offer was genuine) is not a high percentage move. Liquor, drugs, fatigue, stress, significant other drama, dancer drama, just plain drama...you name the amnesia of choice. Just shake it off. If she ever does call then good for you.

wallanon, I don't think uscue13 can just simply shrug it off and go on to another girl while waiting for his ATF to get her shit/drama together. This ATF is jealous of him with other women...should he continue to please his ATF and avoid other dancers while he gets stood up? I think not...go after the other women there. Maybe the jealously will lead to that "sex is so much better when you're mad at me" cliche

This reminds me of the jerry springer show SPRINGER! SPRINGER! SPRINGER!

opps, after watching an old clip on youtube, the correct chant is

JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!

I don't get this. uscue13 was fucking a stripper for free OTC, but yet was still going to the strip club and buying dances. Have I got this right?

Last Thursday a fav called and asked me to come see her at the SC. I said okay and headed down. I get there and she is at the bar with some guy and comes over and says she'll be with me in a while, she just has to finish the glass of wine the guy bought for her. A little while later he goes to get a lapper from another dancer and my fav comes over and gives me a couple of dances and then heads back to the bar when the guy goes back. So, out of 40 minutes I'm there I get 10 minutes of her time after she called me so I say screw this and walk by her and tell her by and I leave. I then get a text from her saying: "Y did you leave I was fixing to go over there. Thanks. That really hurt my feelings." I reply: "U asked me to come down cause u weren't making $. I get there and you spend 10 minutes with me and 30 at the bar. I got tired of sitting alone." She replies: "Im sorry im bout to quit this place they dont care bout no body but there money." Well, fortunately her sister had contacted me the day that this happened and I had already made arrangements to have her come over the next night so all is good. Point being that if they don't fulfill their part then screw 'em. Let another girl dance for you the next time you go to the club. Let the ATF make the next move. If she doesn't, move on. Also, don't put all your eggs in one basket. Don't just have one fav. Have a few for backup.

^^^ +1 good advice

Also, if a stripper calls you to come in because she isn't making money don't do it. Tell her to come over to your place and suck your cock.

Timbuck12 has the proper diagnosis for this incurable disease.

Been out for two days, missed all the replies. But yeah, I already planned on the same route Timbuck12 would go. To be honest here, she's not really an ATF, she just thinks she is. GK, I've actually not once initiated any OTC. It's always came because she saw me in the club and after a few dances asked if I wanted to spend some time after her shift. Maybe I should have brought that up as well...she did all the initiating from the first time to the last time.

Dougster, that's right I had a stripper OTC and still went to the club. I stake this up to two reasons. 1) The girl doesn't live in the city, she drives down to work, and doesn't rank high on my list of strippers other than she likes to hook up with me and 2) Even if she was a true fave, it would probably be the same reason Tiger Woods, Jesse James and every married man on this board (glad I'm single) goes to the clubs ... you like something different rather than the same old same old

I do not go to a club because some dancer texts me and says she's not making money. It's surely about the money anyway, but she's served better by pretending otherwise... The illusion is the charm.