The cost/benefit analysis to secession
SuperDude
Detroit, Michigan
1 Immediately remove or close all U.S. military installations and transfer all military and civilian staff to bases in the remaining 49 states.
2. Close all U.S. Post Offices and other U.S. Federal Government installations and transfer staff.
3. Stop the flow of any and all federal dollars into the Republic of Texas. If they want to negotiate a treaty, maybe something can get worked out.
4. Notify all banks, airlines and other businesses with headquarters in Texas that they are now headquartered in a foreign country and will be treated accordingly under U.S. law. Foreign banks and airlines, for instance, face severe restrictions operating in the U.S.A. Ironically, American Airlines, headquartered in Dallas, might be barred from flying domestic passengers in the 49 states, but could fly passengers from the Republic of Texas into the United States. Comerica Bank, N.A.just left Detroit and moved its headquarters to Dallas. Now they are a foreign bank. Close all of their branches in the U.S.?
4. Would the currency of the Republic of Texas have any value in the USA? Would it be accepted at the border the way some Detroit businesses used to accept Canadian money?
5. Passports, visas, travel permits?
6. Tariffs on shipping almost everything in and out of Texas will change the price of goods.
7. If terrorists attack the Republic of Texas, is the U.S. obligated to defend Texas, absent a treaty to that effect?
8. If a radical government gains power in Mexico and that government renounces the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hildalgo, can Mexico reclaim Texas? Is the USA required to defend Texas if the Mexicans decide to march in.
9. Will Texans have dual citizenship or will they have to choose between the two in a new Pledge of Allegiance.
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Sure, close everything. Still wanna drive to work, or ride a bus, plane?
BTW, Texas has it's own electricity grid. The only state with that unique quality.
Lastly, if Texas goes, expect the South to join ranks within a week. I imagine the rocky mountain states might join up too.
National unemployment rate- 9.7%
Texas-8%
California budget-billons in the red
US budget-trillions in the red
Texas budget-billions in the black.
That is the published rate, but it is actually much worse. They don't include long-term unemployed persons, or "discouraged workers." The percentage of eligible workers who cannot find employment is actually nearly double the published rate.
Texs was a country from 1836-46. During that ten years, the Texas Rangers fought a series of battles with Mexican Army guerilla groups. Texas entered into a treaty with the US, promising to attack Mexican army groups encamped on the south bank of the Rio Grande. The US/Mexico war ensued. The US took New Mexico, Arizona, and California as a result of that war.
8. If a radical government gains power in Mexico and that government renounces the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hildalgo, can Mexico reclaim Texas?
Actually, Mexicans are too lazy to fight a war.
Is the USA required to defend Texas if the Mexicans decide to march in.
The 1846 treaty, see above.
9. Will Texans have dual citizenship or will they have to choose between the two in a new Pledge of Allegiance.
It's inevtable that the US will split. Canada is close to a split. The second that happens, half a dozen maritime provinces will apply for statehood (the paperwork is already drawn up).
The northeast US is very liberal. Once the maritimes come in, the southern confederacy will secede. Austin will be the new capitol of the confederacy (BTW, the Texas Capitol building is actually larger than the US Capitol building).
I only pray that the divorce, like that of Czechoslovakia, is a peaceful one. I don't want bloodshed between Americans.
None of this belongs on this board.
True.
"4. Would the currency of the Republic of Texas have any value in the USA? Would it be accepted at the border the way some Detroit businesses used to accept Canadian money?"
Maybe. Canadian coins that are worth less than $1 are used just like they are American coins in many border states. However, TX isn't going anywhere.
"7. If terrorists attack the Republic of Texas, is the U.S. obligated to defend Texas, absent a treaty to that effect?"
Nope, but again...TX isn't going anywhere.
"Is the USA required to defend Texas if the Mexicans decide to march in."
Nope, but again...TX isn't going anywhere.
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"What Superdude didn't read was that 80 percent of the nation's refining capacity lies in Texas."
This isn't true at all. TX has about 27 petroleum refineries out of the roughly 150 across the entire USA. While TX is one of the leading crude oil-producing states in the USA (excluding federal offshore areas, which produce more than any single state of course), TX's 27 petroleum refineries only account for about 1/4 of the total U.S. refining capacity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil…
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pn…
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/state/state_ene…
"BTW, Texas has it's own electricity grid."
Kind of, if you don't happen to care much about much of east TX & the TX panhandle.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…
Also, there's this little wrinkle:
"Without action, Texas' power supply will run out"
http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/02/01/…
"Lastly, if Texas goes, expect the South to join ranks within a week. I imagine the rocky mountain states might join up too."
Again, no one is going anywhere. This really is a silly off-topic.
"California budget-billons in the red
US budget-trillions in the red
Texas budget-billions in the black."
Really?? Opinions seem to vary on that subject:
"BALANCED BUDGET? – STATE DEBT DOUBLED UNDER PERRY"
http://countycitizen.com/?p=1413
I'd be nice if many states did what conservative states like TX & AK did, heavily tax oil & gas production. What happens when the oil starts to run dry though?
http://texasimpact.org/node/373
"Texs was a country from 1836-46. During that ten years, the Texas Rangers fought a series of battles with Mexican Army guerilla groups."
So what...that was almost 200 years ago, and TX got plenty of help in their disputes with Mexico from outside of TX.
"It's inevtable that the US will split."
It's *illegal* for the USA to "split".
"Canada is close to a split."
No, it really isn't. The Quebec independence movement has been stalled for quite a while now.
"The second that happens, half a dozen maritime provinces will apply for statehood (the paperwork is already drawn up)."
No, all that will happen if Quebec leaves Canada (which it won't) is that the large portions of Quebec that aren't Francophone will re-join Canada.
The "southern confederacy" is dead & good riddance.
If you were President of the U.S. and Texas declared their
independence, what would you do?
Would you spill blood to preserve the Union?
Now, I'm done with this.
You are in trouble!!!! You used the cursed right-wing nutcase "G" word!
Is their any doubt he would callously savage those who would stand up for their independance?
MisterGay is MrFascist
FORWARD:
Dear Fellow Americans,
America has engaged in some finger wagging lately because California doesn't have enough electricity to meet its needs. The rest of the country (including President Bush) seems to be just fine with letting Californians dangle in the breeze without enough power to meet their needs.
This is how it really is:
California ranks 48th in the nation in power consumed per person.
California grows more than half the nation's fruit, nuts, and vegetables. We're keeping them. We need something to eat when the power goes out. We grow 99 percent or more of the nation's almonds, artichokes, dates, figs, kiwi, olives, persimmons, pistachios, prunes, raisins, and walnuts. Hope you won't miss them.
California is the nation's number-one dairy state. We're keeping our dairy products. We'll need plenty of fresh ones since our refrigerators can't be relied upon. Got milk?
We Californians are gonna keep all our high-tech software in-state. Silicon Valley is ours, after all. Without enough electricity, which you're apparently keeping for yourselves, we just plain don't have enough software to spare. Can you say "typewriter"?
We're keeping all our airplanes. California builds a good percentage of the commercial airliners available to fly you people to where you want to go. When yours wear out, you'd better hope Boeing's Washington plant can keep you supplied. There isn't enough electricity here to allow us to export any more planes than we need ourselves. And while we're at it, we're keeping all our high-tech aerospace stuff, too. Oh, yeah, and if you want to make a long-distance call, remember where the satellite components and tracking systems come from. Maybe you could get back in the habit of writing letters.
Want to see a blockbuster movie this weekend? Come to California. We make them here. Since we'll now have to make them with our own electricity, we're keeping them. The labs, printing facilities, editing facilities, and sound facilities are all here.
Want some nice domestic wine? We produce over 17 million gallons per year. We'll need all of it to drown our sorrows when we think about the fact that no matter how many California products we export to make the rest of America's lives better, America can't see its way clear to help us out with a little electricity. You can no longer have any of our wine.
You all complain that we don't build enough power plants. Well, you don't grow enough food, write enough software, make enough movies, build enough airplanes and defense systems, or make enough wine.
Love,
The Californians
TX ain't got no nukes! U GET NUKED, UNION IS PRESERVED!
get a brian OP, secession is a fantasy and u are a tool. either secede or shut up about it.
That's actually true. TX is 5th in the nation. The CA state government's energy-efficiency programs have contributed to their low per capita energy consumption.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/pdf/page…
"You all complain that we don't build enough power plants."
Well, CA ranks 3rd in the USA in refining capacity, and its refineries are among the most sophisticated in the world. CA also leads the USA in electricity generation from non-hydroelectric renewable energy sources, including geothermal power, wind power, fuel wood, landfill gas, and solar power. CA is also a leading generator of hydroelectric power. However, CA does import more electricity from other states than any other state in the USA.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/state/state_ene…
California's state income tax rate?
Ugh...another lazy, drive-by comment from a proven old fool. In fact, Haiti gets the super vast majority of its energy from renewable sources.
http://earthtrends.wri.org/pdf_library/c…
"I can't imagine a states climate would have anything to do w/per capita consumption. Or the ratio of gas versus electric use for utilities."
Expand your imagination then. CA's per capita energy consumption is low, in part, due to generally mild weather that reduces energy demand for heating & cooling. Roughly half of CA basically doesn't need space heating routinely, while the other half is labeled as having a "moderate" climate. Space heating & space cooling account for the two largest percentages of residential energy use in the USA. In the USA, natural gas accounts for a very large chunk of both residential & commercial energy use. An average home in the Pacific region (consisting of CA, OR, and WA) consumes 35% less energy than a home in the South Central region of the USA. CA also has some of the strictest environmental laws & building codes in the country, which contributes to the fact that its per-household energy consumption is very low.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/ftproot/service…
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/recs/climate…
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/consumer/tip…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_t…
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/recs/recs97/…
He misses most everything. You know idiots are way down the IQ scale.