What are the criteria for a club to make the Top 100?
Yet another topic berthed in the Blog portion of the site, being imported here as per Mister Guy's recommendation. Feel free to expound, etc.=======================================================================
Does anyone know the criteria for a club making the Top 100?
by CTQWERTY
October 19, 2009
Obviously there's the rating average. But is there a certain number of reviews required before a club makes the list? I believe there's one club on the list of the Top 10 with only 50 reviews. I ask because I see Big Al's in Peoria, IL. would debut at #8 (or 9) nationally with it's 8.24 average. But it only has 35 reviews. Thanks, CT
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MisterGuy on October 20, 2009
"But is there a certain number of reviews required before a club makes the list?"
Yes, the "magical" number of recent reviews/reviewers for a club to make that listing used to be between 8 & 13 (most likely 12), but I'm sure that's it been changed (upped) since late 2008.
"But it only has 35 reviews."
It's not really the number of reviews...it's the number of individual reviewers that counts. The rating that a club gets is dependent on things such as the number of reviews from reviewers with a "long" membership (which are weighted more than newbies), the number of reviews that are "recent" (from no more than around 2 years old or so), and a whole bunch of other things that founder likes to keep secret to prevent abuse, which is his right...since it's his website.
You should post this as a thread on the discussion board...as you'll likely get more responses that way.
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I also remember reading that older reviews weigh less (or not at all) compared to the recent reviews.
When I was new to tuscl I did not know about the top 100...I just judged a club based of the number rating. Centerfolds in Columbus had a high number rating (something like a 7.8, the highest in Columbus). So I made a trip there only to be disappointed. The only reason it had a high rating is because it only had a dozen or so reviews.
I thought about making a 2-3 hour drive to Brad's Brass to celebrate it being ranked 1...but I knew it would not stay #1 for long so I did not bother.
Flight Club in Inkster, MI. I believe that was a top 10 club, now it is 34.
Big Al's was remodeled around 12/07, and it shows in the reviews (34 total.) Only the club is in off-the-beaten-path Peoria, which translates to maybe 5 or so reviews a year. Maybe such a club needs to have it's average determined on a 3-year basis? If so, they may slide in around the 60s on the Top 100. But for a Friday night experience, that place was a steal. I only gave them a 7 for value because of the one-way contact laps and what it would be on the other nights of the week (ie not the special Friday discounts.)
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I don't know if it is total no. of reviews, or annualized average.
Now for the "score" factor: I understand that founder instituted some sort of "weighting" formula that somehow weighs various reviews/factors that only founder knows. Although it differs from longtime average reviwer score/ no. of reviewers, I still find good correlation between ratings & club enjoyability/desireability. I'm still baffled how some clubs get the score that they do.
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No, it isn't. As I've said before, the number of reviewers to get onto the List was upped (by quite a lot it seems) a long while back.
"What is interesting I think is when Christie's Cabaret in Cleveland, OH appeared on the list from out of nowhere onto spot 26."
This happens all the time. A strip club finally breaches the magical number of reviewers, and then it shows up on the List. As those reviews age with time, strip clubs may drop off of the List as well.
"it shows in the reviews (34 total.)"
Remember, it's NOT the total number of reviews that a strip club has...it's the total number of individual, unique *reviewers" that matters. For example, if you review a strip club 7 times over a two year or so period & I review the same place 2 times over the same period of time, your review ratings are averaged together via some unknown means & combined with the averages of my reviews (and everyone else's reviews). I know it sounds convoluted, but this was done so that one person alone cannot shill a club into the List.
"Maybe such a club needs to have it's average determined on a 3-year basis?"
Like I've said, the combined review rating for a club is based on a moving window of the last 2 years or so. Older review ratings are constantly being dropped whether new reviews are incoming for the same strip club or not.
"Why don't you PM founder & ask him?"
You can try, but I doubt that you'll get many details. founder is always honest though.
Not yet. I don't know whether it's in his intentions, but one metric I've heard other bloggers mention which establishes website value are clicks generated. The additional features recently added like the blogs, etc., certainly afford more opporuntiy for folks to interact with the site. If the community of users grows, so does the value of the site. One day, Founder may seek to sell and move on. Deja Vu may take over and then spam everyone with ads for it's clubs.
Mister G.: While I guess raising the number of reviewers to get on the Top 100 keeps it real for the membership, seems like it may penalize clubs in small cities like Big Al's. Big Al's is a better interior than 90% of the clubs I've visited. The dancers are above average with a few hotties, and it's full nude (even in couch dances at $20 per and them playing full-length songs.) Isn't there a Mons Venus or Spearmint Rhino at #4 with only 50 reviews & no extras available? If their per dance cost is $30, then surely a Big Al's could fit somewhere, like around the 60s on the nationwide list.
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Wrong again old man...that was changed a loooong time ago. If what you said were true, the Top 100 List would look MUCH different! Give it up...
"While I guess raising the number of reviewers to get on the Top 100 keeps it real for the membership, seems like it may penalize clubs in small cities like Big Al's."
Hey, I'm not defending the current rating system at all. In fact, I've gone on record several times before as saying that a lot of the changes to it in recent years sucked IMHO, but it's not my site...it's founder's. He can & should do whatever he wants to it. Just because a strip club isn't on the Top 100 List doesn't mean that it's a dump at all.
"Isn't there a Mons Venus or Spearmint Rhino at #4 with only 50 reviews & no extras available?"
I dunno...honestly, I don't check the Top 100 List very often. :)
"If their per dance cost is $30, then surely a Big Al's could fit somewhere, like around the 60s on the nationwide list."
I've never been, but I'm sure that if the strip club that you speak of continues to get more reviewers (especially ones that have been around a long time on this site & have a lot of quality reviews under their belts) to review it that it'll show up somewhere on the List soon. Good luck...
How many clubs have ever offered half-price mixed drinks AND food on a weekend night, anywhere? Usually it's some special on the slower weekdays for other clubs I've visited.
You're preaching to the choir with me CTQWERTY... :)