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theDirkDiggler

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I debated making this a discussion, but it was too open ended and too long for a simple discussion. So i turned it into an analysis or observation of sorts and decided it would be better off as an article. Woo hoo! My first article.

This OTC (Outside the Club) craze on TUSCL doesn't seem to be dying down anytime soon. I've searched recent discussions and older ones too and most of them regarding OTC have come to the conclusion that almost all strippers will OTC or fuck for money; it's just a matter of how much money and how much time it takes for them to warm up to it. I would add it also depends on whom the stripper will OTC with as the physical strip club gives them the means to be choosy. I've also seen some schools of thought that have said that girls that work at a club that is not extras friendly are even more likely to OTC. And I've seen yet another conclusion that the really hot girls are as likely or even more likely to OTC at who knows what price, but it's hardly out of reach or un-affordable let alone unobtainable.

And yet all this initially seemed like crazy talk to me. Let me be clear. I'm not calling anyone here a liar. For the most part, i do believe that a significant number of the TUSCLers have met dancers OTC. And that a significant number of dancers do have sex OTC. I still think that is a relatively small number overall and that somehow these two (dancers that OTC and PLs that OTC) somehow attract each other. The reason i say this is because it seems so counter intuitive to what i have seen and experienced. I know, individual anecdotes don't mean squat regarding what is the overall reality of an entire industry . I know that sooner or later economics catches up to almost every dancer, and most of them are terrible about managing and/or saving/investing their money. And they have to make that hard choice.

I've known dancers that danced in such a way that i didn't think they would ever do extras. There were also hot enough to do pretty well anywhere they worked. But then a couple of them got fired numerous times from the non-extras clubs where they make bank being clean. And then i hear that one of them is sugaring, essentially a variation of OTC. She tells her other dancer friend (one of the hot supposedly "clean" ones i was talking about earlier) that she doesn't have to put out or have sex, but we all have a bridge to sell her, including her friend, who doesn't believe her either. And then that friend (the one that was telling me about her sugaring friend) ends up getting pregnant despite not being in a committed relationship to the best of my knowledge. In other words, there was a strong possibility that she was engaging in pay-4-play herself.

But I am digressing. Like my anecdotes, the above are just two examples and not necessarily reflective of the reality as a whole. The logic follows that dancers work at non-extra clubs because they don't want to have to do whore-like activities. Sure there may be quite a few whores or escorts infiltrating the non-extra clubs to solicit sexually frustrated customers, but that hardly seems to be the norm. It doesn't make sense that these "conservative" dancers would suddenly be open to the risk of meeting a PL OTC. If they refuse to do extras, it follows that OTC should be out of the question.

Basically it comes down to this. I've just run into too many of the SW type of dancer that seems to have strong boundaries, and seem to be in strong denial that they are sex workers, taking their clothes off for money, and grinding dicks for songs (many times to LDK) at a time and being groped and fondled on the ass and tits. How many of these things can a PL do to a woman in real life and not get arrested and put away for a long time? And yet women will do it for money and men will pay for it and do it with relative impunity all in the safe and "legal" confines of the strip club.

It doesn't take much to rationalize having actual sex for money after one has accepted that they are indeed sex workers, just varying in matters of degree. Also a good portion of my time SCing was when clubs weren't as extras friendly and many dancers could make a lot of money just doing low contact or non contact lap dances and stage shows when money was worth almost twice as much as is not adjusted for inflation. Both average escort hourly rates and average daily earnings for strippers were in the several hundred dollars range. They're actually less now. So back then, there really was less incentive for a stripper to do OTC and if you were able to do it was also much more relatively expensive.

Also consider that many young girls are giving it up essentially free with all the extensive sexting, tinder, hook-ups and it just a matter of time before they put two and two together and figure out a way to monetize it. That doesn't mean that they OTC with whomever offers it to them. Instead of the escorts that also strip using the clubs to find johns, these are essentially sugar babies that strip using the club to find suitable SDs. Again, i have no real definitive idea how pervasive either situation is.

And then you have the dynamic of dancers themselves that judge other dancers as whores when they themselves have probably had sex (or whatever extra) for money, but were just much more selective about it in their mind (it was their choice), so they considered it more like a date that they got paid for if OTC or just some heavier flirtaton if extras ITC rather than being a prostitute. Of course, if you removed the compensation, there is no way they would have had sex/extras, so we have still clearly established what they are. There should be nothing wrong with it though; everyone sells something of themselves for something regardless of what or who you are if you live long enough. It just seems that selling your body (and some people still sell their body, but in terms of physical labor often to the detriment of their bodies or they'll sell their body or likeness in terms of marketing) sexually is unfairly stigmatized in this patriarchal society.

Finally, you have the economics of OTC/extras ITC/whoring. It would seem that if a girl refused to do extras ITC, she would be unwilling to meet OTC, especially when the offer for OTC is often less in terms of money per time compared to ITC. Especially if a girl, particularly a very attractive one could make significantly more working ITC without extras, it follows that she wouldn't do more for less OTC. But logic and strippers seem to be contradictions. And the market rate is the market rate for a reason and even strippers find it hard to OTC for significantly higher than that despite supposedly giving a better experience and being more attractive and younger than your average hooker. As the strip club as we know it becomes less lucrative for most dancers, and air dance clubs and non-extra bikini clubs become less and less popular (why people still go to those is beyond me; just go to Hooter's), and the economy just doesn't ever become the free spending, throw caution to the wind, never ending supply of increasing money that it was in the 90s, customers might only spend the relatively big bucks on extras and OTC in the future and LD prices for just your regular dance, might never go up (in effect going down in the future), continually increasing this phenomenon (strippers putting out). And as the camming scene just gets completely oversaturated, the world's oldest profession might start becoming a lot more common as the strip club becomes the easiest and most effective way of finding suitable customers.

I just feel that it is still too early to paint all (or even the majority of) strippers with the whore or potential whore brush, no matter how successful one has been with having sex with strippers for money. That's about all i have to say (so far at least) on strippers transitioning to prositution in some form or another. This article (which was originally going to be a discussion) was a little bit harder than i thought to write and it certainly doesn't compare to professionally written ones, but hopefully i'll get the hang of it sooner or later.