What to be aware of when doing OTC
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One of the things I’ve learned in my time as a Monger; is intentionality can Elevate your experience. Everything I share here is not a hard set rule; as much as it is, a recommendation from trial, failure, and adjustment. I thought I would put this out there as I’ve seen some guys in the club get screwed over.
There are five main things you need to consider when attempting to do OTC (Out The Club) Service. You need to consider the Club, Girls, Negotiations, Money, and Venue.
Club - this has more to do with the atmosphere. Come prepared. If you have to ask if (OTC) is offered, you’ve already lost. Why? Because blue balls suck, literally and metaphorically. I’ve seen tons of guys go into a club and start asking for stuff that clearly isn’t allowed or discretion is necessary but they have none.
Before going to a club figure out what you want the night to offer or turn out. Are you just looking for some drinks and naked ladies or do you want more? Obviously there are more questions, however since this article is focused on (OTC) that’s the main question you need to answer. Now that you know you want (OTC) you need to determine which clubs cater to this. The best place to start is here on Tuscl. You can look through reviews. Typically reviews will mention that they were offered (OTC) by not just one girl but multiple girls - this is key. One girl can be a one off that might happen when you. However, multiple means that it is normal there and you can expect a high percentage of girls will offer this.
Next, look at the times reviews were published. Why? Because as much as we would like the good clubs or clubs we like going to, too never change it’s just not practical. Clubs like people change. What was once a good time could be considered a bad time with more information and experience. Hell, in my younger monger days before I was experienced I used to think lap dances where there was only one way contact was good. Now, not so much to put it nicely. Figure out if it was within a year, 6 months, 3 months, 1 month or even within this past week. Usually a year is the longest you want to rely on for review’s validity. This is why I like going in to check on clubs I might’ve not liked as an experiment to see if things have changed/improved. Out side of looking here, you’ll have to rely on doing some physical recon with the intention that nothing will happen.
In addition, finding area’s well known for this. Think places like (COI) City Of Industry, Pompano Beach in Florida. You can look up places like these that are more prone to having extra services.
Girls - this one is big. Girls in this industry can be volatile. Girls who offer extras even more so and girls who are comfortable meeting strangers in a new unfamiliar environment even more. These are all things you need to take into account if you want success in (OTC).
Typically the girls you’ll be looking for varies; however, I’ve found some good characteristics you’ll want to look for. Typically if you’ve spent time with a dancer for a little while and they’re decently comfortable with you they’ll start sharing and in some cases over sharing. Pay attention. Believe it or not, although a good percentage of what they say may be lies hidden in between the lies there’s nuggets of truth. All true information can help.
First, the girl who needs quick money ;this is a girl who is more willing to cross the line if it will solve her problem.
Second, a girl who complains the house takes all her money. This one is big, because she is actually telling you that she doesn’t like paying taxes = the house tax to be exact. An easy way to test the water is by telling her you know of a way where she can keep all the money. Key is doing it in a humorous way/non serious. If she responds negatively it was just a joke - no harm. However, if she actively starts to think - bingo you might’ve scored considerably.
Third, the girl who invites you to hang out- it’s not because they like you they just want to test the water and see how you respond.
Fourth, the girl who wears street clothes. This is often a good sign she doesn’t dance for the dancing but looking for her clientele. Believe me I have found a number of girls like this. They’ll do dances, but when you ask them for VIP they’ll usually say - “I don’t do VIP here baby” this is also a good sign. Now one might wonder, why don’t they just offer (ITC) In The Club - from what I’ve found - some of these girls consider it more of risk in the club, they don’t like thought of having someone looking over their shoulder, and simply speaking they don’t want the house to take a good portion of their money. They see the club as a networking event to meet new clients.
Fifth, Traveling girls. This one is huge because girls feel like the risk is lower here. Multiple girls have told me that they feel more freedom when they are not at their home clubs because they don’t care as much about getting burned. However, this depends once again on the girls and what they’ve shared with you.
Sixth, this is for the Mongers who know girls and are seen as regulars at the club. Girls who feel comfortable with you - basically regulars who’ve offered you other services before. I have found that after some time with certain girls even if they won’t do something with you (ITC) they are more open to (OTC). Again not all girls, but a majority of the girls I’ve just gotten to know - have offered me because they trusted me.
Finally, the girls who don’t have a problem breaking rules/boundaries - this is a sign that she is more flexible and is able to find justification for certain actions/activities. These type of girls if they don’t offer yet - it may not be difficult to convince.
Negotiations - once you’ve found the club and the girl; figure out the going rate. Research what you have seen on reviews, what the girl wants, what the girl has accepted, and what your willing to pay this final one I will elaborate more in the next line. Key things to do when your in the middle of a negotiation be nice/courteous but firm. The last thing you want to be in a negotiation is rude and or a pushover. Both these things will cost you more money. Girls don’t like rude men, I don’t mean guys who tease or play rude, but actually rude. Also, holding your price firm you don’t ruin the market for your self later. I.E end up paying more money.
Next, don’t be afraid to walk away. Seriously, have a back bone and some semblance of self control. Why because I’ve seen young guys trying to negotiate girls and they walk all over them. They don’t know what the going rate is and they even get ripped off by service. Remember, to these girls this is a business. They’re not trying to be your friend even if they are friendly.
Money - Do Not Pay Upfront. Are there exceptions sure, just like they’re exceptions in life. However, for the most part don’t pay upfront and especially don’t pay in the club before you’re scheduled to meet. Also when I say upfront I don’t mean when your at the location (OTC) is taking place but rather before she even meets you in your room. If you do, take upon your own risk because I’ve seen multiple guys - mostly in Vegas get ripped off. I personally saw a 2k transaction from a friend of mine (does not know what I do) pay it upfront and got nothing. I would have stopped him had I know. However my friend is one of those stubborn guys that says “no one’s going to tell me how I spend my money” so this would’ve been to no avail.
Next, determine based off what you’ve found in the going rates what you’re willing to spend. Typically it’s good to have a range example 500-700. The intention is that if the girl is really what you want/special whatever that means to you - you have slight wiggle room. However, reserve caution with self control.
Venue - this is all about having a spot that you and the girl can feel comfortable in. This could be a Hotel, your house, or her place. At the end make sure the area is relatively safe and that you have everything you need to set the mood or make sure you have a great time according to what you like.
Please feel free to comment for any of the veterans on here of things you would add onto this. This is just a general opinion but certainly open to more opinions for the newbies to learn on here.
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As for the girls that do this, I love the description of the different types of girls. It is spot on. The only thing I would add is come equipped with patience and maybe be thinking about the long game...if you are a regular monger and build up trust that can work as well. I have had success in that arena.
I love blue balls and then just coming home to a wifey type and raw dogging the living fuck out of her. Blue balls along with a side of all the pent up aggression and horniness after an eventful (visually speaking) night is my jam.