Field Report: A night at the club with 10+ years of TUSCL knowledge
redspartan
Florida
I was out last night, I had a couple of thoughts about what was going on in the club , and how thanks to the wisdom of this site, I managed to turn around what probably would have been a shitty high hustle night.
For some background, I'm a little more unusual for the monger crowd. I hit my first club right when I turned 18 and have gone 1-3xs a year since 18. I've been going to clubs on every rung of the career ladder. From starving college student, to bottom rung of the company, to I make enough to splurge at a strip club. The funny thing is that, because i've been on this site for so long, and starting clubbing when I had to scrounge $80 to go, it has made me much more savy and less prone to SS. And it's also resulted in me rarely spending more than $150.
Because I was off today. I decided to hit up a local strip club last night. I figure it's the Monday before a holiday, so there probably won't be a ton of customers, but there might be more dancers. My goal is always to find that sweet spot of when there are enough customers that the girls have to dance, but there are still more girls than customer. Obviously I'm going to miss out on the higher end girls, but I don't have John Smith money (I will in about 15 years). And i've also noticed that if there are 7-10 girls, after 30 minutes, my brain will make 1-2 of them hot enough to spend money on. If not, oh well I just leave.
So this next part is where my TUSCL and years of dealing with strippers came in handy. My budget for the night was $160, I left another $140 in the car, just in case. But with $160- that's enough for cover, drinking and stage tipping, with well over $120 for lap dances (Depending on the area). I don't like to carry more than that into a club for negotiation purposes. Strippers love to quote bullshit prices. But if they look and see you have some kind of money, and the options are coming down from that stupid high price she quoted you and nothing, they tend to come down, especially if they know you're not bullshitting. These is also part of why I like going at slow times. A stripper is far less likely to stick to that price point if she's been at work 5 hours and has $11 in stage tips and sold no dances. It just takes a little patience.
So when I got to my club at around 10. 8-10 girls on shift. Not a ton of customers. Just like I like it. But there are a few girls sitting with customers and a few who are just off to themselves. I order my beer and chill.
30 minutes in and no girl is moving from her customer. Stage show is whatever, I'm still chilling. I get approached by this tight bodied white girl. Kind of girl who is usually right up my alley. Walks right up to me, good eye contact, rubs my shoulder. Talks for all of 3 minutes before trying to sell me on a dance. 18 year old RedSpartan would have emptied his wallet for her. Decade+ RedSpartan, not so much. She tries leading to me the dance room without quoting me a price....that's interesting tactic, and red flag #1. She then quotes me $45 a dance + $5 to the house....So, this isn't my first time at this club, and I've gotten 2 dances for $55 at this club before. So then I inquire as to discounts for bulk dances. She says she'll do 2 for $75 with $10 to the house, and how that's a great value....yeah I'll pass. I was cordial. But politely declined and told her I was just getting warmed up, but we'd see. I figure, best to be cordial because when she's made no money, and can't make tipout that price was going to come right the hell down.
I was approached by 2 more girls shortly after. The first was a Hispanic girl who's English wasn't all that good, or was just faking it. Walks up to me and asks private dance. I'm already annoyed because she just led into it. But I'm more annoyed because she sat with some dude behind the bar for like 90 minutes who didn't buy any dances. As far as I could tell, he wasn't buying her drinks or paying her for her time (which isn't a thing in my city). As a general rule, I'm not ever going to get a dance from a girl who just hits me with the wanna dance hustle. That rule applies double when she appears to be at the club with a regular, whale, someone they seem to just enjoy being around. I figure the dance is going to be 1/2 assed. I could be wrong, but this has worked for me. But anyway she makes no mention of price and gets visibly upset when I turn her down. She then goes back to the guy she was with who continued to not pay her any money.
Another unattractive girl comes up to me, and again immediately tries to push a dance on me. All the girls here seem to think that selling me on the dance before telling me the price is a good strategy. I'll never understand why any of them do this. If I say yes and can't afford it she still can't get paid. She quotes me $30 a song t $5 to the house. Not terrible, but she's not that attractive, and it's still a little early. She knows whats up, promises me things, and asks what the budget is, and that she'd work with me. The rookie move here is to tell her exactly how much I have and then let her tell me she'd do whatever I wanted for that price. I simply said more than she thought, and said we'd talk after I saw her on stage. She then told me she doesn't go on stage.
I ended up stage tipping $15 between 3 girls. Not because I wanted to. But i had been there an hour and not spent any money besides my beer. So I needed to show this women I had money. I always keep a roll of about $30-40 in ones in my front pocket. I'll pull it out visibly and pull $5 out of it and walk to pervert's row. And tip $5 during 1 song, then retreat back to my seat. I'm not gonna burn money on worthless stage tips. I tip girls I'm interested in, ones who've been nice, but that I have no interest in getting a dance from, and anyone putting on extra effort.
1 got out tipped for 1 of the girls and lost her to that table for an hour+. That table wasn't spending money on her but she sat there. So I wrote that off as a loss, rather than wait her out to only get a 1/2 ass dance. Another Hispanic girl I tipped said thank you and sat at the bar. I'm still vehemently against ever chasing a stripper because it makes them think they can control you. But I had to get another beer and choose to order next to her. She engages me. Goes in for the dance hustle at about the 3 minute mark...i'm about to roll my eyes and walk off. She quotes her 1st price $35 for 1 song. LOL no. Sensing I'm losing interest she cuts it down to 2 songs for $50 and another $10 to the house. I figure that's probably the best value I'm gonna get, so I go for it. Keep in mind, the first dance I got quoted was 1 for $55 dollars. Dance was great, good 2 way contact, and I still had tons of money left over, due to patience and not being afraid to walk away. (in the back of my head I was also thinking, I could just go to a different club and spend what the first girl offered me and get more dances at a different club).
I come back out happy and satisfied. But not ready to go yet. So I'm still chilling. I notice a bunch of girls on the floor just dry humping dudes for free and paying all kinds of attention to them for no cost. Those same girls all walked up to me and hit me with the wanna dance hustle. Yeah...no. I'm not sure what those other guys have that I don't. I don't care. But if a stripper isn't willing to put that kind of effort to get me to spend on her, I hold on to my dollars.
I'm about to call it a night. But a girl I tipped earlier who had been nice to me sits down. I wasn't super interested but she sat for like 15 minutes. Did a set on stage and went to the dressing room. While she was in the dressing room, they announced a dance special. They didn't name a single price or what it was. So I guess it allows the dancers to set their own bullshit prices. My girl came back from the dressing room. She had been running that new girl hustle on me. So I decided to push it. I got her to offer me 2 dances for $30 + room fee. She could have been new, but her conduct in the room indicates to me that he wasn't. When we're at the end of the 2nd dance, i get her to agree to a 3rd dance for $20. Dance was good. Lots of two way contact through all 3. It was a topless dance and she ended up completely naked. So I got 3 dances for $50. Remember the first dance I got offered was 1 for $45. After that I called it a night.
This ended up being longer than I thought it was going to be. I'm sure someone can turn this into a system post. But last night felt like a win. I spent under $160 and got 5 lap dances in a place where the dancers set their own prices. I can honestly say that my trip wouldn't have been possible without TUSCL and being able to know what the dance price are. And how to handle stripper shit and spotting ROBs and Whales.
Thanks TUSCL!!
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Shit, I read about what some of these clubs in other states charge per dance and cringe.
It sounds like you got what you wanted out of the visit, so that's a win. However, like the cliche goes it's not the years it's the miles. The quote up above and that very long article you wrote makes it sound like you do care.
Pretty much all the clubs I've visited have a set-dance price; having to enter into a white-knuckles negotiation w/ every dancer seems exhausting - unless there is a set price and your are trying to bring them down from the set price.
Once dances get beyond $20/dance I think it makes more sense to do something else, either ITC extras, OTC, escorts, etc.
You said you started SCing when you were 18 and it's now 10 years later - so I assume you are still a young guy in his late 20s - IMO you are injecting too-much drama into this and seems as if you go to the club(s) w/ a mindset that you will constantly have to be guarding against every girl trying to one-up you - too-much mental-gymnastics as if you were trying to negotiate a middle-east peace treaty.
In my sad case of similar, if not more, mongering experience, i tend to bring a lot more than that to strip clubs (say 3-4 times that amount, and i don't leave it in the car) with the intention of not spending it, but prepared to if the right girl(s) come along. Unfortunately, if i see something i really like, i try to get it, as there is far from any guarantee that something will come to me. YOLO, carpe diem, you can't take it with you, as they say. Which means i either approach her myself (on the stage or the floor) or get a floorguy to get her. As the clubs i go to have set (or at least suggested prices as i understand the girls are actually independent contractors and don't technically have to dance at the prices the club "sets") prices, i know i'm going to be out at least a certain amount of money if the girl delivers on the dances and i end up getting multiples with tip for great service; and that's not even talking about rooms. That's if i see something i like. Sometimes i don't or sometimes, she's tied up to a whale or regular or some VIP PL that the floor hosts just brings the girls to. In which case i have to try something else. And yet, when i do spend a lot less than what i bring, it's usually because i didn't spend the relatively big money on the girl(s) i wanted to, or they weren't there and i ended up picking from lesser offerings (going from what would be my 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice, to my 4th, 5th or 6th; why anyone would spend money on anything that low is another question). And i probably didn't have to bother visiting the club in the first place.
In that case, did i really save hundred of dollars, or waste the little amount that i ended up spending? i guess only i can answer that question, and it does feel more like i wasted the little amount i spent; at the least i didn't really get what i wanted. On the flip side, i can visit again sooner than if i had spent it all that day, but again the same thing could happen the next time. i find that i leave a club happier (but much poorer) when i do get with the girls (sorry, just not a onegina or even a fewgina man especially when i'm at the adult candy store) i want. Maybe you have some reliable system where you can get the exact girl you want and bring her down from the "set" prices the club suggests and get numerous very high mileage, high contact dances, in which case again, i'm all ears. The girl i tend to want tend to be quite popular for several reasons and are not likely to discount much if at all.
i don't think SC mongering is really a hobby you can properly enjoy on a tight budget. Even visits to Hong Kong or Follies (the literal best bangs for the buck if you're fortunate enough to live near them) aren't a cheap habit. In my case i like quality and quantity and together they tend to be expensive if not very much so.
In "wanna dance" type environments sometimes you need to bite the bullet and just get some dances. I usually go for just a couple/few dances for a first time, IME after a couple of visits they will start to recognize you and give you a lot more hang out time at the table.
where i club is fairly simple. for lap dances... at synn coi on thursdays i pay $20 for two song nude lap dance. (low mileage). at deja vu coi (with blue lite special) usually 5to6 minutes $20 topless. at spearmint rhino coi i wait for a 2fer1 $40 nude. about 5 minutes. (again low mileage). depending on the girl i usually go vip instead. but still all this is relatively expensive compared with tijuana. i try to wait until i can visit tj. much more bang for the buck.
And then as far as San Gabriel Valley, usually the front room mileage is going to be highest when the back room mileage is the highest and when the girls are in competition. So an aggressive girl can just jump on a guys lap and start pouring it on, and then she either gets front room money to extend it, or they go to the back room. Either way, she's raking it in. Other girls either follow her lead, or they might as well just go home.
Its either that, or its close to closing and she wants an immediate OTC.
Can you sense whether or not DV or SR deliberately rein in the front room, hence ruining the dynamics of what goes down in the back room?
This has always been my allegation against them, in San Francisco.
And considering the main clubs in TJ, you can see the difference when the front room is not being restricted.
And are you aware of an 'unbranded' DV clubs, and how much different are they from the 'branded' DV clubs, and where would these be? I only know of their existence in San Francisco and Detroit.
Thanks,
SJG
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Front room makeout sessions, and not for free either.
Then when it is time for your own pants to come down, you invite her to the back room. And then take her home with you to continue, and then keep seeing her regularly.
SJG
In my town, Durham, NC, ITC is limited to some above the clothes petting and generally free roaming on the titties. OTC is available, it depends on the dancer. Other cities, it varies.
So it's kind of mutual. You should know your way around the location as much as possible; and you should BE known, from having been around that location as much as possible.
Would you be willing to tell us just what it is which makes DVTJ different from the other much loved TJ Clubs?
Of course there is always going to be a chicken - egg thing, about getting girls and getting customers and money, to be able to get girls.
But is it more than that? Of most interest to me is, has DV done something to screw up the front room mileage, as we know that that is the way to screw up the quality of the back room.
Sounds like what their place offers is more session rooms, than hotel rooms. Does that work well?
What if you want to do toda la noche with a girl, or if you want to take her outside for tln, or see her again by appointment and totally OTC?
Thanks,
SJG
even though hk is the highest price in zona norte it stands as the best overall. damn. some of these girls are easily playboy centerfold material.
I suspect then that DV TJ may be the result of over capitalization.
If too much money is used to start a business, like say in renovating the facility, then it is going to be pressed excessively hard to try to squeeze out enough money to pay for the cost of that capital. Businesses started on a shoe string can have an easier time of it.
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Thanks,
SJG