HK has given me an opportunity to have sex with women way out of my league. Yes, I will be humble and admit it readily. That is the best thing about Zona Norte and I have earlier mentioned how the club helps men live out their fantasies. If we have time and means to do it, why not? There isn’t an alternate universe that is going to provide these pleasures.
That being said, I have had some real visceral and ethereal orgasms when I been with girls who are an 8 or a 9 in my book. I would rate some of them as even 10s. But it’s a subjective thing. I found this note in an article by JasonMckin (What makes a VIP memorable?) spot on -
“The point is that nobody has a CF/ATF or a memorable VIP with a dancer who isn’t at least an 8 in looks, however he defines it. Looks are an obvious reason why PLs even go to the club so it stands to reason that the most memorable VIPs are likely the ones with some of the most attractive dancers that you have ever seen.”
The climaxes that I had with the most attractive girls are still seared in my mind. In passing I also happened to read about how from an evolutionary standpoint, males in many species, including humans, have developed strategies to maximize their reproductive success. When mating with a perceived "high-quality" or attractive female, males may unconsciously allocate more and higher-quality sperm to increase the chances of fertilization. Also, some studies have shown that men produce more motile sperm and larger ejaculates when exposed to images or situations involving attractive women. This suggests a subconscious mechanism to increase their chances of fathering offspring with those they find desirable.
So that explains the visceral animal-like feeling I got when I finished with an attractive girl. The “high” after an orgasm was really somethin with some of the more beautiful women. That was in stark contrast to some other girls that I did fuck in HK….and who were relatively less attractive. (Don’t get me wrong…I have said it before that even the “less attractive” girls in HK based on my subjective rating would qualify as bonafide bombshells in US clubs.) . The experiences with the less attractive girls are fading away.
The Nobel Laureate Daniel Kahneman showed that we have a “Remembering Self” which focuses on the past: This self is responsible for storing, retrieving, and evaluating memories of past experiences. It involves conscious thought, reflection, and narrative construction of our experiences and it tends to remember and judge experiences based on their most intense moments (peak) and how they ended, rather than the overall sum of the experience. So when you have a great climax, clearly your Remembering Self takes note and you want to again go back to the same girl….or a similar experience (with another girl). Speaking of research, is it possible that some of the girls are deploying psychological tricks to give our “Remembering Selves” something worth remembering?
The Remembering Self is also more dominant in our future decision making. So no doubt the gentlemen who have some really amazon connections (like RonJax2 and Putatester) are so happy to connect with ATFs. In that way HK also spoils you…..I am never going back to US Strip Clubs and I also don’t ogle/fantasize about attractive women I may see in real life….I know I will fuck someone better when I am back in HK some day. Just the memories we generate from visiting HK (and all the other clubs) can give us pleasure for a long time….and also the satisfaction of having been with some of the most beautiful women on planet Earth…those heavenly Latinas.
The other point I would like to make here is that one should go for a girl that “hits the spot”. Sometimes that is a subconscious thing. I had this happen with a few girls….HK also resets your “reference point” as soon as you enter the club. So even if you are staring at a bombshell, your mind is searching for someone better. But believe me you will see multiple women who will instantaneously capture your imagination and then it’s off to the races. The high one gets from this experience is really something.
In closing, we are generating great memories by fucking some of the most attractive women in the Western hemisphere and we should make the most of this by mating with the most attractive girls that we can find….as the visceral physical and psychological effects of those experiences will stay with us for a long long time.
Great article! I wish there was a way to have known about it earlier. I ran into it because I wanted to thank you for the kind words in the CC review.
A lot to unpack here (which is great) but I will agree on one point and somewhat disagree (to a degree) on another.
"I am never going back to US Strip Clubs and I also don’t ogle/fantasize about attractive women I may see in real life….I know I will fuck someone better when I am back in HK some day. Just the memories we generate from visiting HK (and all the other clubs) can give us pleasure for a long time…"
- this is so true for me which is a bit of a blessing for me as well. I actually didn't go to strip clubs in the US often prior to visits to ZN. I always felt like it was looking at a menu of great tasting food but not able to eat unless I really overpay because I put myself in a position where demand exceeded supply. Paying $300 for a VIP lap dance and maybe more seemed excessive when I could find 100s of escorts in my area to do much much more in the privacy of a room for the same or less in price. Yes, the experience is different but I always felt a bit ripped off knowing the other gentleman service areas pricing and services.
The blessing for me is that I have stopped going to clubs or visiting any other adult related services locally after experiencing incredible trips to ZN. My experiences in ZN generates enough memories for pleasure to last a while especially since I get to relive them through other contributors reviews, stories and discussions here on TUSCL. This has been beneficial by limiting potential negative exposure (LE, safety/health) and reduced spending because of reduced frequency that comes with the convenience of local access.
With ZN, there is an emotional component to my experiences that leaves an imprint for memories that was far fewer with 1 hour sessions in the US. I'm not talking about love or infatuation or anything like that but when I find a great chica that just vibes with with me and we drink, laugh, build sexual tension kiss, touch, etc., the memory is more permanent than just having a transactional sexual encounter.
I am in the minority, I understand which is fine but it is how I feel and think. I know I am in the minority to this thinking because outside of @PutaTester, I haven't really heard another contributor on the site who looks to enjoy multi hour fichas and to just party with the girl that is hitting your buttons. Most are quick to go and have the sexual transaction (arriba) which is fine and the norm, just not my preference on priorities.
With that said, although I haven't done it, I'm guessing the OTC (outside of ZN) contributors to the TJ section probably have even stronger memories imprinted than the 2 hour ficha session I do. I haven't engaged in OTC for a myriad of reasons but definitely understand appeal and haven't ruled it out in the future. It just wouldn't be TLN (all night), just half a day deal for me because I don't want the dream hookup to turn into more like a regular life experience of living with a girl.
Where I disagree a bit and again, I have set it up that I understand I probably am in the minority but the "Remembering Self" is not primarily tied to beauty for me in having the most intense moments. It has more to do with a high level of engagement on activities we are doing, perceived interest in me (if I don't know it is fake, I don't care either) and other factors. I prefaced I disagree to a certain degree because yes, subjectively being attracted to a physical appearance does matter but just not to the degree that beauty my itself leads to stronger climaxes.
I have been with many 9s+ in my subjective book and without the right attitude and service level to sell the experience, it didn't "rock my world". I have been with 7s and 8s who exuded "sex" and engaged in everything that turns me on, that would seem to be my "Remembering Self" most intense (peak) moments, not the most attractive.
I will admit, I probably have a bias towards 9s and 10s because experiences in life has taught me that women in that range typically have not struggled as much due to being more easily forgiven, therefore have not learned things like empathy as well which yields attitudes that doesn't benefit anyone beyond herself. They are often excused when doing things inappropriately more often because of their beauty. It is a vague general bias, I know but it is something that makes it highly more likely for me to have my "world rocked" by a 8 or 7. My "Remembering Self" knows this and feeds off of this fair or not
I could go on and on but I know I have bored everyone to death by now if they made it this far.
Thanks again for the great article and discussion.
re: "we should make the most of this by mating with the most attractive girls that we can find"
Couldn't agree more. For me, it's not HK (although my one visit there was very good). Instead, it's the German FKKs (and probably Belgian and Swiss, if I ever get back there).
There's nothing better than lying by the FKK pool when a naked, oiled-up East German blonde strolls up and says, in the cutest accented voice, "Would you like to have sex with me?"
Not an Article. Should be posted on Discussion Board
I think this is too vague and more about sex in general than a story about a dancer or about strippers/strip clubs themselves.
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last commentA lot to unpack here (which is great) but I will agree on one point and somewhat disagree (to a degree) on another.
"I am never going back to US Strip Clubs and I also don’t ogle/fantasize about attractive women I may see in real life….I know I will fuck someone better when I am back in HK some day. Just the memories we generate from visiting HK (and all the other clubs) can give us pleasure for a long time…"
- this is so true for me which is a bit of a blessing for me as well. I actually didn't go to strip clubs in the US often prior to visits to ZN. I always felt like it was looking at a menu of great tasting food but not able to eat unless I really overpay because I put myself in a position where demand exceeded supply. Paying $300 for a VIP lap dance and maybe more seemed excessive when I could find 100s of escorts in my area to do much much more in the privacy of a room for the same or less in price. Yes, the experience is different but I always felt a bit ripped off knowing the other gentleman service areas pricing and services.
The blessing for me is that I have stopped going to clubs or visiting any other adult related services locally after experiencing incredible trips to ZN. My experiences in ZN generates enough memories for pleasure to last a while especially since I get to relive them through other contributors reviews, stories and discussions here on TUSCL. This has been beneficial by limiting potential negative exposure (LE, safety/health) and reduced spending because of reduced frequency that comes with the convenience of local access.
With ZN, there is an emotional component to my experiences that leaves an imprint for memories that was far fewer with 1 hour sessions in the US. I'm not talking about love or infatuation or anything like that but when I find a great chica that just vibes with with me and we drink, laugh, build sexual tension kiss, touch, etc., the memory is more permanent than just having a transactional sexual encounter.
I am in the minority, I understand which is fine but it is how I feel and think. I know I am in the minority to this thinking because outside of @PutaTester, I haven't really heard another contributor on the site who looks to enjoy multi hour fichas and to just party with the girl that is hitting your buttons. Most are quick to go and have the sexual transaction (arriba) which is fine and the norm, just not my preference on priorities.
With that said, although I haven't done it, I'm guessing the OTC (outside of ZN) contributors to the TJ section probably have even stronger memories imprinted than the 2 hour ficha session I do. I haven't engaged in OTC for a myriad of reasons but definitely understand appeal and haven't ruled it out in the future. It just wouldn't be TLN (all night), just half a day deal for me because I don't want the dream hookup to turn into more like a regular life experience of living with a girl.
Where I disagree a bit and again, I have set it up that I understand I probably am in the minority but the "Remembering Self" is not primarily tied to beauty for me in having the most intense moments. It has more to do with a high level of engagement on activities we are doing, perceived interest in me (if I don't know it is fake, I don't care either) and other factors. I prefaced I disagree to a certain degree because yes, subjectively being attracted to a physical appearance does matter but just not to the degree that beauty my itself leads to stronger climaxes.
I have been with many 9s+ in my subjective book and without the right attitude and service level to sell the experience, it didn't "rock my world". I have been with 7s and 8s who exuded "sex" and engaged in everything that turns me on, that would seem to be my "Remembering Self" most intense (peak) moments, not the most attractive.
I will admit, I probably have a bias towards 9s and 10s because experiences in life has taught me that women in that range typically have not struggled as much due to being more easily forgiven, therefore have not learned things like empathy as well which yields attitudes that doesn't benefit anyone beyond herself. They are often excused when doing things inappropriately more often because of their beauty. It is a vague general bias, I know but it is something that makes it highly more likely for me to have my "world rocked" by a 8 or 7. My "Remembering Self" knows this and feeds off of this fair or not
I could go on and on but I know I have bored everyone to death by now if they made it this far.
Thanks again for the great article and discussion.
Well done both!