Comments by wiffle shwaffle (page 2)

We were told to say"yes" if asked if we got vaccinated because nobody wanted to wear masks. There were a few dancers last night who did have some on as well as a small handful of customers. The tent opens at 11pm when alcohol in the club stops being served. It's so they can continue to serve until 2am, not because of capacity. Did you get to see inside it? I love the feng shui of it. They have a story up on their Instagram right now showing the inside of the tent. The tent was nearly shoulder to shoulder packed on Friday night. I felt like I was at Old Shillelagh on Opening Day or St. Patrick's Day. Alan, everyone's favorite strip club mogul, is visiting for a week and a half because of the tent opening. The Friday night dj told me he has to play EDM because of Alan, but when Alan isn't visiting, he slips in some rock. But apparently everyone is on their best behavior because of Alan's visit. I get there at 6:30, so I got to see the day shift girls on both Friday and Saturday. Friday's day shift was definitely a lot better looking and also more plentiful.

I used to work here. Is it still all rock music (I love that about this place). And are there still parking lot cats? One of my favorite things was trying to pet and feed the (wild) cats. They were super cute.

What happened? I was interested in introducing myself and I was looking out for a band in the tent. After asking, I was told no band had been booked.

"with one of these bitches" How disgusting. Could you be anymore degrading? I'm sorry you see yourself above and think of all entertainers as hoes. It says an awful lot about you as a person and how lonely you really are. And clearly, you are. You came onto a forum where you can remain anonymous only to talk down to and generalize all entertainers. I would love to see you do that face to face to an entertainer or a respectful and verifiably sane forum member.

"My fabulous band and I will be playing all our hits" My illiterate ass read that as "we'll be playing all our tits".

And if you're all going to mansplain to me about how what we did to protect ourselves is assaulting customers for taking photos, then you're all also completely minimalizing and dismissing how often and frequently dancers are assaulted and touched without consent. But who cares about sex workers right? Because taking a photo of them is so much more important than being considerate of a dancer's safety or identity. Why the fuck did I even bother posting again here. God damn. 🙄

Here are some answers to the legality question. https://www.quora.com/Is-it-legal-for-people-to-record-dancers-in-a-strip-club-and-is-there-any-way-that-I-can-prevent-this-from-happening-to-me Ever since I started dancing in 2013, I have always been told it is illegal to photograph or film in a strip club without permission. It was explained to me in detail once before why and how it's illegal, but I can't find that law and I've been looking. Either every manager and bouncer I've had in the past several years have conspired to lie to me, or it really is illegal. At Deja Vu, of all places, they also said it was illegal. They're the ones who stated the law to me. It was something like how you need a distribution license and consent to film pornography. And at strip clubs, you don't have that consent. So if it were distributed (even on Snapchat for example) the legality comes into play.

Quick and simple Google search to back that statement up. As an independent contractor, I've had to authorize the use of any photos taken of me by club photographers to be used or discarded on my contracts. https://www.lawyers.com/ask-a-lawyer/criminal/is-it-legal-for-everyone-to-take-pictures-in-a-strip-club-1582634.html As to my above comment where I said I worked with people who've taken matters into their own hands and I've poured a drink on somebody, we basically had to be our own bouncers at that club in downtown Detroit. There were only two bouncers at that club and they always worked the door. We didn't have bouncers on the floor watching for our safety. So I do recognize that none of that was okay, but given we had to basically fend for ourselves at that club, we had to get a little bit aggressive sometimes. Especially after home Tigers games when everybody was drunk, rowdy, demeaning, and absolutely just fucking ridiculous. We watched out for each other and if someone saw a photo being taken of someone else, they would usually approach the customer and ask them to delete it. If the customer decided to be a fucking asshole, that's when we would take some sort of action. So it wasn't like we were just eagerly aggressive ready to beat these customers' asses. I'm done explaining my statement now. I don't regret having poured a drink on someone before for being a fucking asshole after I asked him to delete a photo of me and I would do it again if I had to. Idgaf.

Except strip clubs aren't considered "public".

Are you staying downtown? I can recommend places to eat in downtown because that's my typical hangout spot and I used to live next to Comerica Park. Bouzouki reopened last week but it is dead. They had three dancers there last Friday and the club was mostly empty throughout the evening. Their food comes from the restaurants attached to the same building. The food is not ideal for health conscious individuals and it's extremely greasy. Legends is fun. We are allowed to do dances, but we can't take our tops off and we can't fully straddle any customers. They're not formal lap dances that count toward our tip out, so we can set our own prices on them. It does get relatively busy on Fridays and Saturdays. I was there this past Saturday and the third floor was the most crowded of all of them. If you're looking for a booth, you should call the club the day before to reserve it because they go fast. If you're going there during a weekday, you don't have to worry about a crowd or not finding a booth. Legends also has decent food. If you are strictly looking for extras though, I would not suggest either of those clubs. Or any of the clubs on 8 Mile for that matter. Players on 8 Mile is the sister club to Legends and their food is slightly better than Legends. I will be at Flight Club this Friday and Saturday. On Friday, they are opening a giant tent outside so patrons can drink past Michigan's curfew time. I don't know if there's an extra charge or anything like that. All I know is this big tent is opening up on Friday for outdoor drinking. I was told they're going to try to put poles up in the tent, too. I feel Landing Strip is a little less expensive than Silver Criket in regards to VIP. You are not obligated to tip the bouncer at all, while at Silver Criket you have to buy a wristband or something. Criket has better food than Landing Strip in my opinion. Landing Strip has better looking girls who are, from what I have witnessed in the locker rooms of both clubs, more hygienic than those at Criket. The VIP rooms at Landing Strip are very dim though. I would recommend for you to keep your money in your back pocket in those rooms and also be aware that it's so dim that you might have a hard time making out what bills you're counting. Landing and Flight have mandatory valet parking. Criket has free parking. Bouzouki does not have parking, but you can park at Greektown Casino for free across the street from the club. Legends has optional valet parking, but I would not recommend it. It's about $16 and they park staff, dancer, and customer cars either in the alley way between the club and St Andrews Hall, or on the street. The valet company that runs through them used to rent parking spaces in the parking lot across the street, but they no longer do. Regardless, if you go downtown for anything, I would suggest parking in the Greektown Casino for free. Or if you're on the other side of downtown, MGM casino parking is free as well. However I would not recommend walking around that part of downtown because it is not the best area to be in. Anywhere in the Greektown district is fine though. Actually, anywhere on the east side of Woodward Ave in downtown is fine. Downtown is basically cut in half by Woodward. The west side of Woodward can get a little iffy here and there during the day, but definitely don't recommend that side at night. National Coney Island restaurants are kind of a Detroit staple. There are two next door to each other in downtown that are famous for being on some food show or something. But you can find restaurants all over Metro Detroit via a Google search. If you're a health nut, we have a local chain called Beyond Juicery. There's also a really great vegan and vegetarian restaurant in downtown called Seva. If you have any other specific questions, message me or something because I'm probably not going to read any replies here.

"I don't know if any club would go after it in court." It's not always about the club. It doesn't mean I won't sue. I've worked with girls who've broken phones. What's someone going to do? Take the dancer to court and explain to the judge why they thought it would be okay to take photos and videos of a dancer without her consent? Please. I've dumped drinks on guys who've taken photos. I don't give a fuck. Shit on me and I'll shit on you.

"Billy Joel" "Frank Sinatra" But for real, KISS. Those on here who follow my personal Instagram know why I love KISS.

Also, it's not that it's explicit. It's more that dancer names should be left out of reviews when any extra curricular activities are discussed. I believe the untold rule here is unless it's pertaining to a ROB. But again, I don't think she was a Rob. I think she was just inexperienced and didn't know specifically what was being asked for. And not all dancers are hookers. Please be careful with that word. In this case, she's not a hooker. Hookers are streetwalkers.

Awesome. Thank you for responding! I figured it was going to be something like what Old Shillelagh in downtown does for Opening Day and St. Patty's. I'm going to call about re-uditioning there tomorrow and working Friday because Legends is legit dead.

Did they, by any chance, give you any info about the tent party this weekend? I'm considering working there, but can't get any info.

Also, she's probably new and was nervous given she has a stupid ass amateur name like that.

She doesn't sound like a ROB. To us, or at least me, if you ask for everything, I assume you're asking for FS. If you wanted kissing and FS, ask for GFE/girlfriend experience. But you should have left her name out as it seems like a misunderstanding of terminology more than her trying to rob you.

JFC. 🤦 Here I am, once again, to confirm a few things that apparently weren't clear. "Obviously I don't know what she's going through, I hope she'll handle it." I don't mean to gaslight you with this statement and I do know you said that with good intentions, but I'm also sorry you have been mislead into thinking I'm going through something. I'm not though? Can a person just take time away after being threatened and catch up on life? Or does that insinuate that shit is going on with them? My mental health is fine. I just get easily annoyed with some of the pure ignorance I see on here. And admittedly, I do feel I am more intelligent and a little above some of the trolls and a small handful of others on here (most are ignored by me though). For example, the people who sent me the messages I posted (and others I didn't post) have mostly been ignored. What kind of desperate loser does that with their time? There are so many more productive things to do with one's day than to harass random women in a forum online because you have your own insecurities leading you to send said messages. There is nothing I'm going through for me to handle. I do apologize because this paragraph was part answering your question and part going off on a rant. "Waffle you kind of put it out there is wrong to just wonder?" I will first address your statement and then the question. Do I put it ALL out there? Are you absolutely certain I do? You may perceive that I do, but I definitely don't. All that I have commented or posted are things I *want* people to know or topics/questions posed in hopes to create a fruitful discussion with. If I were going to put it ALL out there, then I'd be another Nicole all up in this bitch flooding the forum with senseless bullshit in a way that it would look like my personal online LiveJournal. The only time I actually opened up on here with (pressing) personal issues is when I was looking for help or advice in getting out of the domestic violence situation I stupidly got myself into when I had moved to Pensacola in 2019. That isn't something I wanted to the world to know about, but I was looking for help literally everywhere. I was scared for my life and had nobody there for me in Pcola (other than my ex) and utilized the online resources I had for advice on how to escape that situation. My links were recently in my profile as a suggestion by my PR to potentially drive traffic and interest to my other social media platforms. And that is how, or so I believe, whomever the fuck got my Snapchat (and of course they chose the only platform I don't full understand how to use). (rant) And for the record, I'm not afraid of said threat. If anything, just annoyed. What is some little pansy ass bitch on an online strip club forum really going to do? I can handle myself and I don't mind using my self defense training. So if someone wants to threaten me, then fucking bring it because I'm not a fan of idle threats and empty promises. It's just somebody being a crybaby little bitch trying to intimidate me because I shared something he wrote to me in a moment of pathetic desperation in that discussion thread. (/rant) "is wrong to just wonder?" While I do sincerely appreciate your curiosity and concern, was this public post absolutely necessary? A lot of other forum members follow me on other social media platforms and my Only Fans. Any of them could have let you know where to find me or how to contact me, but instead, you created a thread accusing me of having "emotional problems" aka mental health issues. 1. Why is it yours or anybody else's business? And 2. I hope you would share the same concern for other forum members who take a LOA for a few days instead of singling me out. There are no mental health issues or personal struggles involved. I just want to use the time I would spend here doing more productive things that may lead me to the success I'm seeking. Was a whole thread tarnishing me absolutely necessary to get that answer? A simple post expressing concern and asking if anybody could reach out to me on my other platforms would have sufficed. Not a whole attempted discussion on Waffle's "emotional problems". So, honestly, shame on you. "If you’d rather not spill it’s all good idgaf just trying see what went down that’s it." Well, because you made this whole ass PUBLIC discussion post about me, I kind felt backed into a corner to have to give some kind of an explanation to make people stop making assumptions and accusations. Do you want to know what went down out of genuine concern or to be nosy? Fellow site members are accountable for me wanting to take time away. Some of the people here are absolutely psychotic and worthless and have zero respect for women. And my eyes hurt from rolling in my head so much with a lot of the stuff I read from those few I feel are slightly below me. There are so many other things I can do with my time than 1.) fend for myself in this discussion and 2.) educate and/or correct misconceptions about dancers and sex workers only to be rewarded with harassment and threats. I'm over it and I have shit to do other than visiting and participating in this forum (at least right now anyway). And has anybody asked the question of who is Waffle even talking to or about in her profile? No. Only assumptions were made that I am speaking to the forum as a whole. Perhaps I got fed up with select previously named in prior comments psychotic site members being absolute condescending trash? 🤷‍♀️ Also, Desertscrub, I have had you ignored since the time you thought it would be cute to tell me what to do regarding my career (when I clearly never asked). I did see what you said in comments to the memes I posted when I was logged out. And I also saw what you said in a now deleted screenshot of a private message from me someone had posted to where you said "she's got issues." No, I don't. I just don't tolerate pieces of shit like yourself and see myself as better than you. You don't see me commenting condescending and rude things on photos others post, nor do you see me shoving unsolicited advice in peoples' faces. So, who here really has issues, bro? And with that fuck you and your stupid ass troll personalities (seriously, get a fucking life). Hopefully this has been the amazing and wonderful conclusion people were seeking as I'm over defending and explaining myself. I feel I have fully and thoroughly explained these perceived "emotional problems" as me just wanting to utilize my time for other things that are currently more important to me. And any rebuttals or replies aren't going to be read by me. I have no desire to check this again, nor do I care to. And if anybody wants to keep in touch, plenty here have my social media information and they would probably have zero problems in sharing that in private messages (so long as it is not my private and personal Instagram). I'll still participate in reviews and whatnot, but as for the forum, for now,... deuces.

I really didn't want to log in here again ever and even considered asking Founder to erase my entire profile (is possible). But since Muddy felt that my mental health should be a topic of PUBLIC discussion and I'm a public figure now because of porn, I feel like I have to say something (thanks, dick 🙄). So, Muddy, since you're so concerned about my personal shit, I received a rape / death threat via my Snapchat from someone who referenced this site. I'm not afraid, but I don't want to deal with the bullshit. And I also don't need to deal with consistent negative commentary on photos I post - even if they are memes. The harassment is too much and all I ever wanted to do was have fun here and hopefully teach you guys a little about the dancer side of things (tip out break downs, etc). But instead of respecting that, people who rather make demands to see photos of me when I have a whole Only Fans and am in actual fucking porn. And then the photos I do post are just mocked by users named above. There's no point and there's so much more that's important right now in my life than wasting my time here when it isn't appreciated and I'm being threatened and condescended. Does this public explanation satisfy you, Muddy? I hope so, because I'm leaving again. ✌️

Seriously, why is it your business?

Muddy,

Ahhh. So OP doesn't care about the lives of others or potentially murdering others. Ex: You're asymptomatic despite the vaccine (because you can still get Covid dummy) and out and about spreading that shit because you don't care. And then people die because you gave them Covid. Way to go, slugger... I mean BOOMER. Keep up the good work!

Imcall1140, YES to every question you just posted. And yes, Founder should step in. The person who messaged me messaged him as well.