Comments by wildRover (page 5)

“ Rover im curious what kind of legal repercussions can be done if the club intervenes too strongly? How does this work in clubs where dancers are employees?” I’m not a lawyer but this was explained to me by someone who is. I didn’t follow it perfectly when he explained it so on sure there will be some inaccuracies in this. Basically it boils down to two things. 1. The club doesn’t want to do anything that would leave them open to a law suit. 2. The club doesn’t want to do anything that could be construed as evidence that the dancers are really employees of the club, and that the whole “independent contractor” thing is a sham that was cooked up to avoid paying taxes. Related to the first point, keep in mind that technically a monetary dispute between a dancer and a patron doesn’t directly involve the club. But if the club intervenes too strongly on the dancer’s behalf (ie by refusing to return the patron’s property) they become an agent working on behalf of the dancer to collect an alleged debt. This would potentially open them up to being sued. I hope this makes sense. As I said I’m not an attorney, but if there are any on the board I’d be interested in hearing them weigh in on this.

“Let's hear all the legitimate reasons they insist on holding your car hostage.” You want a legitimate reason why clubs require valet parking? Because they make more money that way! It’s that simple. It provides them with an extra revenue stream. They make money off the customers, they make money off the dancers, and they make money off of parking. I don’t know the details of their contracts with the valet agencies, but I have no doubt that the clubs pick up a nice chunk of cash during the course of the year. Their motives are primarily financial. Conversely they have no financial incentive to keep your keys, because any extra money that they were able to squeeze out of you would go to the dancer, not to the club. Dancers don’t work for the club. They’re independent contractors and if the club intervenes too strongly on their behalf they open themselves up to multiple legal repurcussions, none of which are good for the club. “So I guess some of you pathetic losers are all butthurt because I'm proven right again.” Seriously? Please explain to me how you were proven right. This incident had nothing to do with keeping your keys or holding them hostage. It was a single incident of a customer being denied entrance because he arrived on foot. It’s my understanding that Flight Club and Landing Strip have a policy prohibiting walk up traffic. In the case of the Flight Club this goes way back. Before the FC ever opened Alan owned Trumpps on 8 Mile. He was worried that any walk up traffic from 8 Mile would be “undesirable” in nature, so he instituted the policy. My guess is that the amount of money he makes from it contributes to the fact that it’s still in effect. It’s a mini cash cow.

Oh jeez. Pussylicker’s gonna have a field day with this one.

“ I came to the Flight Club by Uber and so avoided the $8 valet fee.” You avoided the 8 dollar valet. How much did you pay for the Uber? I doubt it was less than 8 bucks considering you had to leave by Uber also. Doesn’t seem very cost effective to me.

Point of clarification please. If the reviewer submits the same review that he submitted to another site he/she is guilty of self plagiarism which is generally considered to be a no no. Does that apply here? Is copying a review that you submitted to another site a violation of this sites plagiarism policy which carries a pretty severe penalty? “We have a zero tolerance policy for plagiarism. If we find out you submit a review as your own from another site, your account will be deleted.”

“That’s a long ass story to get 1 lap dance from 1 chick.“ Lol. My thoughts exactly. Summary of rl27’s experience: Spent an hour before settling for what he could have had after five five minutes. Summary of rl27’s review: Spent seven paragraphs on what could’ve been described in five sentences.

Sorry. I hit submit prematurely. Upstairs bar was a little less than half full during my one trip to the VIP. Overall I’d characterize it as a good night for the customer. Lots of ladies to choose from and not a lot of competition for their services. Probably not what you wanted to hear. It did seem to be picking up some when I left and it was still early. Hope that helps.

All the tables to the right of the bar were full when I got there around 8:30 and maybe half the booths. Myself and three others at downstairs bar. It was a little busier when I left around 10 but there were a lot of dancers too.

“PL is extremely dense and, as Htxx stated, PL gets off on the abuse from hot women he can't afford and real men because he hates himself for living in his mommy's basement and needs her to suck his dick for him. He moonlights as a streetwalker and can't afford valet because nobody will pay him to suck their dick in Detroit. His so-called "piece" is his strap on he uses to peg guys with, but is worried valet will steal it.“ OMFG BubbleYum. LMFAO. I’d give this post 10 likes if they’d let me.

I simply tell her “I’m sorry but I’m just hanging out tonight and I don’t want any company” or “I’m sorry but I’m waiting for someone.” I try to be polite and respectful.

Acubed and ulrik. Stop confusing Pussylicker with facts. Facts interfere with his agenda.

I was there Thursday night also and would agree that the lineup of girls was exceptionally strong that night but I didn’t see anything close to 20 AA ladies. It was more like 7 or 8 which is still an unusually high number for Flight Club. One of those was Jamie, formerly of the Landing Strip. So if any of you are Jamie fans she’s at FC now. Good news for FC IMO and bad news for LS.

“Snappy, when a dancer sits with me and won't take a hint to leave, I start playing with her tits. They don't like giving free feels so they leave.” Wow. What a classy move. Can’t say it surprises me though.

“ This is a thread I don't understand, if you don't like the way a club does business, don't spend your money there, it's not that complicated people.” I agree 100%. The problem is that a particular poster feels that it’s necessary to continually interject this nonsense into to threads concerning two Detroit area clubs that have mandatory valet parking. He’s never been to either of these clubs and admits that he has no intention of ever going to them, but for some reason he feels compelled to continually denigrate them. You don’t understand this thread. I don’t understand his behavior in general.

“ Gemstone KNEW management had his keys, he knew he couldn't say "sorry, you're not going to rip me off, I'm leaving".” I’m sorry. I missed the part in his review where he said that. Would you please copy and paste it for me because I’m having trouble finding it. The fact is, there’s nothing in his review that even hints that this was the case. “Are you going to call the cops on the club?” You’re damn right I am. And believe me, the last thing these clubs want is for the cops to show up in their parking lot. It’s bad for business. “ As for "Valets have to return the keys to the legal owner, even if that owner is visibly intoxicated." Really?” Yes really. There’s case law to that effect. Do a simple google search. It’s not complicated. “ Why did Gemstone agree to pay more than he owed?” He paid based on the song count the bouncer gave him. The manager became involved and reduced the amount and gemstones voluntarily paid an extra 20. He was so worried about his car keys that he went back for another VIP session. Sorry but your theory doesn’t hold water.

“Read the September 3 review by Gemstones. He was robbed, and basically had to pay a ransome to get his car keys” Pussylicker. This is a new low even for you. I read gemstones review and his keys were never mentioned. He had a disagreement with a dancer that was handled by the bouncer and the manager. He wasn’t trying to leave and the valet was never involved. In fact he actually stuck around and got another VIP from a different dancer. You totally mischaracterize what happened. There are legitimate reasons for disliking valet parking but your whole obsession with them keeping your keys borderlines on the kinky. The fact is they can’t keep your keys. Valets have to return the keys to the legal owner, even if that owner is visibly intoxicated. There have been court cases ruling that. The valets are aware of what the law is because they don’t work for a club. They work for a valet service and have to abide by the laws governing valet services. And they DON’T keep your keys. You know this because it’s been pointed out to you in dozens of threads but you keep spewing the same disinformation. But as I said before your characterization of gemstones review is just plain false.

@Htxx Lol. I’m not pissed off, but reading that review cost me 30 seconds of my life that I’ll never get back.

I think the most likely reasons have been mentioned by other posters. My guess is she knew the guys and knew that THEIR “sure thing” was going to amount to more than YOUR “sure thing.” I have some questions though. Was this girl a regular, or was she just someone who you’d been with a couple of times and who knew you? If she was my regular and did that I’d be seriously thinking about finding a new regular. Also, did she know you were coming? I have a regular lady right now and I always try to inform her ahead of time when I’m coming so that she can X out a block of her time. But my biggest question is why didn’t you just move on? There were other dancers in the club. Thai and Cassidy are both very hot and they’re both fun in the VIP so you had at least a couple of nice options available. Maybe it’s just me, but after a half hour wait I’m expanding my search terms.

^ value is subjective to the reviewer. Exactly! Plus I think a lot of posters confuse price with value. For example, I don’t think anyone would dispute that Bogarts is cheaper than Flight Club, but I would argue that FC is much better value. Why? On my only trip to Bogarts I didn’t see a single dancer that I would’ve taken to the VIP even if it had been FREE. It doesn’t matter how cheap it is, it’s terrible value. At FC I might be paying a premium price but at least I’m with someone I want to be with.

Not sure about the coat check because I wasn’t wearing one. If I had to guess I’d say the answer is probably yes.

Lol. Good point. As I mentioned in the review I bought a couple of rounds of drinks for dancers and they weren’t drinking cheap. That added around 200 bucks to the overall tab. Plus I was with my regular who I treat more generously than I would a random dancer. But you’re right. Places like Flight Cub and Landing Strip aren’t cheap. Anyone who went to one of those places and claims they spent under 2 or $300 is either lying or didn’t have any fun.

Ulrik. Don’t you know that if you leave your coat in the car those evil valets might decide to keep it? Seriously though. As much as I hate to admit it I do agree with PL on one thing. FC sure does have a tendency to nickel and dime you. I just write it off as a cost of doing business but it is a little annoying. Flight Club has positioned itself at the high end of the market and it seems to be working pretty well for them.

Ulrik. I give you credit for trying, but IMO it’s useless to try to reason with PL or to present him with facts because he’s a troll who is only interested in promoting the same tired narrative. The fact is that valets at the FC or LS don’t keep your keys. I’ve been going to both places off and on since back when FC was called The 747 and I’ve never seen or heard of such a thing happening. I’ve seen patrons who were having a dispute with a dancer “politely” escorted to the door by one or more bouncers but I’ve never seen the valets refuse to return someone’s keys. In fact there have been court cases that have ruled that valets have to return keys to the rightful owner, even if he/she is visibly intoxicated. It’s a pity that people have to keep responding to PL’s bullshit comments, but that’s exactly what they are. But I guess the troll has accomplished his objective. He’s gotten people to respond to him, and in the process he’s managed to pollute another thread with garbage.

My question is why did you let her continue to sit there once she told you she had pink eye? I would have politely asked her to take a hike, and if that didn’t work I would have asked her again, but not so politely.

Day girl not say girl.