There’s a need to keep Buffets remark in context, a better way to think about this is “what is it worth to you”.

But "what it is worth to you", may not be what it is worth to me. So the delimma!

I couldn't agree with this more. I tend to think of every purchase I make in terms of ROI, including my strip club spending. Though of course, as others have said, the "value" of that return is certainly in the eye of the beholder.

I would have responded there but have been banned on reddit for seven days. The thing that strikes me on reddit are the tales of guys who spend thousands just to talk or cash app these junkies thousands because they felt a connection. The junkie strippers don't like guys who are careful to get a good value. They might catch lightning in a bottle with a simp but otherwise fail to look inward regarding their financial struggles, instead choosing to blame cheap guys and the economy.

I love this quote. . My general rule of thumb in the club is to never haggle, the price is the price. I do negotiate on value though, what that means depends on the constraints and norms of the club, but usually negotiating for value means asking for better mileage or more time. If the price isn't worth the value, I bail. . @shadowcat you're right that value is in the eye of the beholder. That's why a good club should provide an array of experiences. Like the Pompano clubs, where you can get dances on the floor, booth or room. There's something for everyone there provided you like cubanas.

Fully agree with the 'Eye of the Beholder' or essentially 'what you value' standpoint. Some can make it into pseudo math equation. $$ x time x girl x mileage = value or whatever. Raise or lower any of the variables and it could seem objective. I ask myself "What does it value to me?" I just made a 12 hour drive to visit an very elder (100+) relative. I hate the drive, but value the few minutes I have left with them MORE than a 12 hour drive. A lawyer cost me $5,000+ in a situation where I didn't win. But discovery revealed that I was right. That healed my mind over the whole ordeal. Worth it.

I once found "my perfect girl" at a club. Spent an hour talking and flirting. Did a VIP (high mileage but not stratosphere). Probably $600 total. But that experience was on repeat in my mind for weeks!

Counter point. I know of a guy who disappeared for 6 hours from his buddies while in Vegas. "What happened?" ...."6 women $60,000." and he claimed "it was worth it". Tbh my view it is "hell no". $60k is a luxury car, a major down payment on a house, or college degree. With $60k I could be someone's sugar daddy for 6 months. At a certain point, the monetary cost is only justified for things that a Club would never provide.

@shadowcat That’s not a dilemma, the price you’re willing to pay, is what it’s worth to you. If it’s not worth it to you then you don’t pay, then it either becomes a negotiation or, you decide not to buy.

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@Glock: I agree with where you were going with that. . Some guys think we are foolish for spending money on strippers at all. They see it as a colossal waste of coin. . Some guys think that only high volume girls working in brothel clubs are worth the coin and see other clubs as pointless. . Some guys think that LDs are very worthwhile (especially the premature ejaculators), but chafe at having to pay ancillary costs, like cover charges, buying drinks, tipping club staff, etc. . The hardcore escort mongers often like visiting the clubs and maybe warming up with a LD or 2, but most of them would never dream of paying stripper OTC freight when they can get ass off of sites like STG for a fraction of the price. . And pretty much all of the guys I mentioned above would definitely not find value in how I club. I'm liberal with tipping staff and dancers who entertain me barside. I find LDs to be utterly pointless. Plenty of guys would label how I compensate dancers to be "tipping for conversation" but it's not really that formal and has otherwise worked out well for me on a number of fronts.
. And when one of those dancers becomes an OTC friend, she's basically on the payroll, lol, earning both ITC and OTC. At least for a few months until it gets old. Plenty of guys would definitely find that to be a waste of money, for potentially multiple reasons. But for me there is something very fun about visiting a girl ITC and knowing that I'm who she'll be seeing when the club closes. . So the moral of this long-winded post: To each his own.

@rickdugan interesting, so youre kind of doing something that SJG encouraged people to do.

Also rick “but most of them would never dream of paying stripper OTC freight when they can get ass off of sites like STG for a fraction of the price.”

What is the price difference for STG girls compared to stripper OTC? I thought guys on here are getting stripper OTC for as low as $200-$300. And $200-$300 is also what STG girls are charging for just an hour.

The stripper OTC has some additional upfront costs like paying for drinks or lapdances or tipping barside, cover charges for club etc. but i thought a lot of guys on here are getting OTC for $200-$300 which is also what STG girls want. How cheap have you found the STG girls to be in your area?

Some guys want cheap service from AMPs

===> "i thought a lot of guys on here are getting OTC for $200-$300 which is also what STG girls want". . Thinking isn't working out so well for you I suspect. Maybe instead get out there and do. Your information is very old, at least on the hot stripper side. But if anyone is seeing something different then I'm all ears - just please include location. 😉

The former keeps going up and the latter keeps going down.

@rickdugan what prices are you seeing for the STG girls?
I have been quoted $400 to $600 for OTC in maryland… some of them were very particular on timings like an escort.. one girl was okay wjth $200 for 30 minutes.. the one who offered $500 and $600 would have been for a meeting, no specific mention of timings

Listcrawler girls in the same area seem to want $200 for 30 minutes, $300 for an hour

But thats not tbe only thing. There are many escorts in the dc area who work for agencies and only earn $150-$200 an hour, with no hotel or housing costs. they are dancers from NY, Philly, miami, tampa, Orlando. I assume they would also be open to OTC in their home states in that $200-$300 range…?

The only thing is many STG and listcrawler girls also offer “quick visit” appointments for as low as $100. But theyre only 15 minutes.

Georgmicrodong has said he only pays $200 for hot dancers OTC. He is in kentucky

@rick i thought even you said $500 per meet is too high

300 just ain't doing it anymore. A lot of these girls ask 5-1K. Some in there might be worth it but for most chicks it's just too much. A lot of my interactions are just fold it in, save the money and live to fight another day. You could fit a lot of fun into 6,7,8 hundred bucks if decide to just keep it.

Recently ive been trading in a lot of these overpriced OTCs for new strip club adventures (can't afford both). I'm not gonna go back to shitty strip clubs but if it's new whether good or bad it's still fun to me. I just feel like I'm getting way more value back right now doing that instead.

Here in South Florida the girls that are top tier are asking $500-$750, and depending on how busy it is will accept $350-$500, the last few months since Trump riled up the markets, I’m seeing less senior guys in the clubs, and there’s a group of higher tier girls that aren’t making as much money as they’d like. The last few weeks I’ve been getting a lot of attention from the hotter women that know me as a decent spender.

I had a frenemy once who never failed to criticize everything I spent money on, including strippers. He never had much to say in return when I questioned the money he spent on his chain smoking habit. I didn't mind his smoking, but mine was the better investment. . He also denigrated his older buddies for jumping on the Viagra bandwagon when it first came on the scene. Later I found out smoking takes away your hard on prematurely as well. I believe people should be free to smoke if they want to. I am a "live fee or die" guy. But it is shocking how we try to justify ourselves by judging others.
. So the only way this is relevant to the discussion is my advice is to not worry if others think you are spending too much, so long as you are satisfied. Live like you are dying. Because you are.

Value is what you get, if you know what your getting.

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I think YMMV supercedes this as an applicable metirc for the strip club experience. Too many variables to quantify, especially if your paying an entertainer you have no rapport with. Have I had great experiences with new to me dancers? Yes. Have I had mediocre experiences with dancers I've previous had great experiences with? Yes.

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I don't negotiate with strippers (for a number of reasons). If they think they are worth it and have convinced me they will prove it, I'll buy in. But if I don't see the value in the experience they are presenting at their price point, I'll politely decline.

@RMD: I haven't had a granular money discussion on this site in several years, since I learned that I was not as anonymous as I thought. Suffice it to say that things change.