Wave of less stripping in strip clubs - nationwide!’

Yes, and often by the hottest girls. I think the paradigm is from cam girls, i.e. no tips = no show. If a girl is dancing on a stage in a strip club, she should at least take her top off before expecting tips.

I haven't seen much change in the last 6 months. Over the last 6 years, yes I've noticed that trend. But again it's not like it's picked up steam or suddenly become ubiquitous. We have some clubs where the stage is still a large part if not the focal point of the experience. We also have clubs where the dances are the focal point and the stage is an afterthought.

And there are some girls at all the clubs who generally follow the tip to strip model. I don't like it, I don't tip those girls. I do like that it makes it real easy for me to recognize them, because I find that invariably the girls who feel that way have an entitled attitude and or superiority complex and I have no interest in being around them. So it's nice & easy when she jumps on stage and basically holds up a red flag.

I don't travel that much, and I don't club every time I do. I've been to some clubs in some other areas, but I can't really comment on nationwide trends. So my comments mostly apply to my area.

In my area, Atlanta, I blame it on the Cubans. When they first arrived on the scene they didn't follow the protocol. They didn't dance on stage and didn't get totally nude during lap dances.

The DJ's used to get a cut from the dances to manage who and when the dancers get on stage. Since hardly anyone gets on stage anymore the DJ's have lost income. To make up for it, the DJ's are now managing the VIP rooms and the clubs have tagged on an extra $10 to the house fee that goes to the DJ. What used to be $50 for 30 minutes is now $60.

Different metro areas arent charging the same. In Maryland theres a $10 per song club, with a small entrance and parking fee. The other clubs are $30-$40 per 3-4 minute long song. $200 for 15 minutes is on the high end.

Good pole work = bad lap dances

As a general rule

I think we, as high contact and/or extras seeking customers, are part of the cause. I always look to the way the club incentivizes the dancers to make money. As the culture shifted to paying more for lap dances and especially VIP for the dancers to earn their best cash, their incentive to provide stage work for little or no tip vanished and you got a predictable result. If you follow any of the dancers forums on IG or Reddit you’ll see many posts complaining about not getting any tips for doing difficult pole work. There’s no incentive to practice it or take the injury risk, work up a sweat, etc. if they aren’t going to get paid. I’m conflating pole work with taking off tops/bottoms, but I think it’s the same conclusion. It’s the comp structure.

I certainly respect dolfan’s opinion and he states his perspective is based on his geography. FL,TX and maybe a few other places are different form the rest of the country. They still have very robust strip club scenes when the rest of the country is falling off. I think it’s reasonable to conclude the FL stage scene is still decent because there are still enough customers in the club to make stage tips worth it.

Lastly, while we and most strippers prefer the independent contractor model, one of the consequences that comes along with that is that the clubs are not allowed to micromanage the dancers on how they do their job. Scheduling, prices they charge for dances and whether they take their tops off on stage are not legally enforceable. Some clubs will still do it anyway.

Was reading and experienced high volume of Cubans ( or at least girls who say they are Cuban) at some Vegas clubs this past year. A wave for sure. Most don’t push the line at all. Interesting to hear about the experience above in ATL with this set of ladies.

Yes to another comment, definitely a regional thing. I’m also learning that some clubs encourage their ladies to move from one of their clubs to another across states. So customs follow them to earn x in y cost city. We lose there, and so do local girls.

I've seen it mostly from the Cubans. The American girls are more likely to show skin.

How can there be Cubans all over?

I do avoid day shifts because not much goes on there. Save to dollar for night. Some places have best at end of night shift…girls need to make the dollar.

Yes, what a circular stand off, no cash, no strip, no strip no cash.

I enjoy watching good pole work, but I wouldn't tip more than a $5 for it. I'm there to grope without being punched or arrested. Not forcing strippers to go on stage if they don't want to makes it less human trafficky. But, if a dancer doesn't walk the floor in a bikini or something similarly scanty, I'd be inclined to wait till I see her in her bday suit on stage.

===> "How can there be Cubans all over?"

There are over 11 million Cubans a mere 90 miles off the Florida coast, most of whom live in dire poverty. The poverty is so bad there that sex tourism is widely accepted. Sadly many of those girls were likely pimped out by their own families long before they got here.

Add to that how easy it was, until recently, for Cuban girls to obtain temporary work permits once they got here and the picture gets even clearer.

We only have a few thousand clubs nationwide and a very large influx of Cuban girls arriving over the last several years, many of whom have few qualms about doing sex work. Not all clubs welcome them, but the ones that do seem to appreciate their work ethic. They show up on time, work long shifts and, of course, help keep customers coming in because they put out.

^ They don't live in dire poverty, they may not have the same standard of life as us, but that's just hyperbole. BTW I've been there, have you ?

yes, Cubans do live in dire poverty. Don't believe the Communist Liars who say they don't. Decades and generations of Communism have that effect. We cannot let liberals like 25, AOC, and Bernie bring it here. english.elpais.com havanatimes.org latintimes.com

What kind of fucking idiot tries to argue otherwise?

Trump needs to protect the jobs of American strippers. He should immediately place a tariff on Cuban strippers who work at strip clubs. The tariff could start at say $300 / day paid to the strip club which would then turn the money over to the Feds. Any strip club caught not complying would face serious consequences.

A tariff is needed because Cuba has an excess of ho's which their domestic market and vacation market can't absorb. The ho's can only make money by exporting their services to the USA. But by so doing, they "hollow out" the strip club business by taking over clubs and forcing out the American strippers. And when they are finished with one club they move on to another club as a group. Thus, Cuba is dumping their ho's and providing new ho's to the market so the cycle can repeat, ad nauseam.

Cuba has excess ho's just like China has excess factory capacity. It's impossible for the domestic Chinese market to absorb all the production of their factories; that's why they need the American market to dump their products. And by making them cheap they can under cut the American worker. Trump's tariffs on China can devastate their economy by bringing a halt to a lot of exports, but it will also cause a return of manufacturing to the USA.

A tariff on Cuban strippers will cause a return of American strippers.

@Gam: That last article was eye opening. Things have become so bad in Cuba that 1.8 million people fled the island from 21-24, including over 700k coming here. If anyone needs an explanation for why the Cuban strippers have been spreading like locusts over these last few years, there it is.

Basic question, and thanks for the good info above, why are there Cuban girls in many cities’ strip clubs across the country more the past year than anytime before? Or are Hispanics just saying they are Cuban? One night in Vegas a girl switched her nationality on me during conversation- several drinks in…she went from being Cuban to being Panamanian when it came up again - her home country. I’m not a big deal breaker on which country, beauty is beauty.

^ a lot of Hispanics claim they’re Puerto Rican, it’s not a new thing, to a lesser extent they claim they’re Cubans, both communities have many non English speakers and they often try to fly under the radar and both of those groups have advantaged rights, the Borrequas are American Citizens, and the Cubanas have privileged status.

===> "Basic question, and thanks for the good info above, why are there Cuban girls in many cities’ strip clubs across the country more the past year than anytime before?"

I think that Gam's article links already answered that question - there has been a huge influx of them over the last few years. They have to go somewhere. Florida can only accommodate so many Cuban strippers.

Clearly they found I-10, which brought them from Florida to Texas and all the way to Arizona. I guess the question is whether the sunbelt states are now full up as well. I've also heard some random sighting from clubs a little further north, but not too many. Heck that might be a good thread starter.

^ I’m not saying they’re not around, but the aren’t as numerous as you think, I’m not sure of the numbers but they’re definitely not as numerous as most of you think, here in S. Florida they have a strong support network mainly family, and the majority are working in family businesses and and places where they have connections, I’m sure some are trafficked but, realistically there aren’t as many Cubans here as other ethnic latinas.

^25, I don't know enough about S. FL to speak to it, but I can tell you what we're seeing here.

10 years ago, you would have been hard pressed to find a first generation Latina in almost any club in town. Jacksonville is hardly considered a welcoming mecca for immigrants.

But then the first wave of locusts came in 2018-2019. Some stuck and others didn't. Wackos, the largest club in town, embraced them a lot more than many other clubs and when the first wave subsided, we were left with about a 50/50 split at Wackos and a smattering of other Cubans working in different clubs in town.

But starting a few years ago, a second slow wave started working its way through town. Now Wackos is Little Havana and their numbers have increased in many of the other clubs in town. Now they likely outnumber the active white non-Hispanic strippers here in J'ville. The only clubs in town that don't have at least a handful of Cubans are the black clubs.

I've read enough stories about clubs along the I-10 corridor to believe that this isn't an isolated incident.

Icey, girls have pimps for security. Other than american girls and boyfriend pimps, which is a relatively new phenomenon. For a husband or boyfriend to be okay with his wife or girl sleeping around, would be seen as very odd and frowned upon even 30 years ago.
Any girl working a club doesnt need a pimp. The club provides the security. They may have a boyfriend pimp, but even then the american girls are more likely to have a boyfriend pimp. They dont need to be trafficked here, the simple fact they can make hundreds of dollars an hour here is enough cause for millions of them to come here willingly.

A sign of the times…thanks all! So perhaps gone are the days of being able to meet up with locals who work their local strip club. Sad…not that I’m against our SC workers from around the globe, but it’s nice to have local flair