Tesla arson suspect

oops, front room. Trolls, flame on!

Absolutely! We now have Hegseth, Miller, Waltz, Witkoff, and Vance making sure the administration is very transparent. Musk is doing an amazing job....figuring out which jobs were too hastily cut, and then rehiring. Staying on top of things right there.

I look forward to the continued success of our country under Republican leadership in all three branches of government.

I'm going to step out and go car shopping before the end of the month now. Tesla's seem to be quite reasonably priced.

no, I don't support domestic vandalism based on political ideology any more than you do.

Get caught firebombing anything as a political statement - go to the underwear jail in El Salvador.

Any sneaky pussy coward who keys a car should be castrated and made to eat their genitals.

Kristi Noem at CECOT in El Salvador - priceless torture to the inmates.

Yes she’s sexy as hell

Progressives are literally the worst human beings on earth. Government has been fucked up for far too long. Whenever you have to tear down something broken, things get messy. The Progressive's complaint that Trump failed to clean up the mess fuck ups Biden/Obama left in 3 months, just shows how stupid they are.

Less personal insult hurling and more discussion would be good regardless of where one sets on the political spectrum. I agree government has major flaws, don't care if you are liberal or conservative. But 'burning it down' is the act of an administration who just wants to make their base happy as opposed to one who might aggressively audit all of the major agencies and THEN decide what actually needs to be cut.

ps ... If anyone is just happy because you see the actions punishing the liberal side of the spectrum, your head is in the sand, because it's already affecting everyone (lets take cuts to the VA - notoriously already difficult for patients. If you think cutting 80,000 jobs isn't going to throw it into chaos, force out already overworked providers, and ruin service for the people who protect our country - then either you are not paying attention to things or you are, in fact, an idiot)

"Less personal insult hurling, and if you don't agree with me, you are an idiot?" Liberal hypocrisy.

Liberals are not being punished for being liberals. Liberals are being arrested for committing vandalism, arson, property damage, and acts of terror. Bloated government bureaucracies are not being audited for being liberal boated bureaucracies, they are being audited for efficiency and productivity to reduce government deficit spending and the tax burden on American taxpayers. Why are liberals against prosecuting criminals and a small, responsive government beholden to the voting taxpayer? Because it takes away their power. They need criminals in the street terrorizing people who support MAGA and purchase Musk's products. They need giant government bureaucracies to control and smother the opposition. Liberals are all about obtaining and keeping power to protect their self-enriching schemes and maintain their access to entitlements. That affects everyone, and it is your head that is in the sand.

If you catch someone keying your car not a jury in the country would blame you for anything that happened to them as a result.

If the V.A. cannot work with a reduced workforce, fire them all and start over with people who want cushy government jobs with a pension. We don't get that in the private sector, and we work 5x harder. Just to be fair I hope the market crashes and loses half its value overnight.

Puddy and Flash. The tesla vandalism is only one part of the equation.

I agree that vandals and arsonists can be attacked. However, plenty of right wingers have attacked people just for holding palestinian flags or having certain viewpoints on the israel hamas conflict. It is ironic even more so when rightwingers do it because so many of them refer to themselves as constitutionalists. They have very strong views on gun rights (secretly and mostly because they want to shoot up immigrants, commies and Muzzies), yet dont believe in the right to free speech, free religion, and freedom to protest and have unpopular beliefs.

Vandalism is nothing new from the left either, they were already doing it with BLM protests. And even many left wingers who werent actively vandals, still argued in support of the vandals.

But the right is supposed to be the party of law and order, anti crime, constitutionalist. Yet guys like skibum, 25, gammanu, perhaps you and a few others, if they see someone walking around wearing a turban, they feel tempted to tear off the turban, spit on the guy and beat him up. Its also ironic because Hindu and Sikh people wear turbans, and have sometimes been targeted by people who thought they were of a different religion.

^ Now THAT is a load even flies wouldn't touch! I've yet to see these guys support violence and hatred. Sure, if you support the BS going on at Columbia, that's a problem for THE Domestic Terrorists trying to effect political change.

I’m more interested in trying to decide whether or not Kristi Noem is hot. She’s obviously had some work done recently but she looked pretty good getting off the plane in El Salvador in a tight white top and jeans. But I keep thinking she’d be like the older chick who you thought was hot as hell while you were drunk and making out with in the club but who’s scary to look at the next morning sober and without makeup, and you can’t get her out of your house fast enough.

Mogul i dont understand your comment or what youre saying regarding Columbia.

I will mention though that the term domestic terrorist, is overused by both the left and right and is often used to refer to people who have an opposing viewpoint or just as an attempt to stifle free speech. Freedom of speech, expression, belief, religion etc means you can technically even support the KKK verbally and beliefs wise, according to the constitution

^That is why the good Lord invented the away game. When you go to bed with a hot woman and wake up with an ugly one, all you can do is go into coyote date mode and get the hell out. For those unfamiliar with the term: A coyote date is where you wake up with a woman do unattractive, that if she is laying on your arm, you just chew it off so you can get the fuck out without waking her. Ahhh college and prostethics.

Arson is a crime but this sounds more like a whacko with mental health issues than terrorism

^ Too bad: That may be the excuse to get out of serious prosecution/time. He belongs in jail for many years. "Broken Windows" will be the only way to start curbing Domestic Terrorism for effecting political change. Every one of them

@rickmacrodong "I will mention though that the term domestic terrorist, is overused by both the left and right and is often used to refer to people who have an opposing viewpoint or just as an attempt to stifle free speech."

Domestic Terrorism is simply violence, destruction, arson and/or killing to get political change - it happened at Columbia University and others. March all you want, hold protests, have town halls, ect, however, when you physically attack for political change, that's terrorism.

These thugs are causing destruction and arson to Tesla owners. Why should THEY be punished by masked thugs who are spineless cowards, and think they are "victims"?

At Columbia last year, hostages were taken. People were physically attacked. And, from what we have been told, many of the rioters were not even students. Those involved on student visas and Green Cards crossed a line the SoS can deport them. They support Hamas and hate Israel yet they don't want to be deported BACK to the ME or wherever they came from.

Mogul,

The problem with your argument is the fact that the term “domestic terrorist” does not only apply to people engaging in vandalism or violence. It also applies to people who have certain political or religious viewpoints.

And thats okay. You can proudly support and encourage deporting people with those differing viewpoints and opinions. But dont claim to be a constitutionalist or pro free speech while doing it.

There are probably less than 10% of the left or right, who actually believe in the constitution.

Rubio himself said that greencard holders are here as guests, and that their greencards can be revoked for any reason. If Rubio himself is essentially admitting that free speech isnt allowed, at least for greencard holders, i dont see why you would need to pretend it does.

Also, there are a bunch on the right who want to spit on people and beat them just for wearing a turban or headscarf

Ah, poor rich man getting his feelings hurt! Piss off Musk! Screw anyone who thinks he's some sort of a genius!

I dont know if it’s necessarily left wingers pissed about musk. It could be someone who lost a job because of him.
I can see why some would be pissed but he is doing the right thing cutting the workforce and contracts

It may not be a hate crime, depends on whether political views fall under the hate crime rulings

But Icey, its hilarious how you are going into the nuances of how it depends on the intent of the person involved but if it was the reverse scenario like right on left crime or white on black or client vs dancer you would say we can just assume the intent and its by default a hate crime

Stupidest crime spree ever. The country’s gotta deal with very low IQ culture, passed down the shallow gene pool, generation after generation. It’s destroying or schools, cities and our cultural institutions. The only ray of hope is the lower rate among the type of people who have the time to do things like protest a Tesla dealership. The guys are low testosterone cucks and the women are mostly ugly.

^Lower birth rate.

"Rubio himself said that greencard holders are here as guests, and that their greencards can be revoked for any reason. If Rubio himself is essentially admitting that free speech isnt allowed, at least for greencard holders, i dont see why you would need to pretend it does."

Problem is, Green Card status doesn't give you the same level as an American Citizen. The SoS can deport your hairy ass if you are a subversive, or terrorist supporter. Getting a GC after less than 2 years in-country then supporting Hamas and hate speech/riot support for anti-Jewish state isn't exactly the type we want in America on visas or GCs.

No, I'm not paranoid, however I am aware of how much morality has slipped thanks to the MSM's support of Dem-Marxists, supportive RINOs and indoctrinated children that have been processed through colleges.

I’m with Elon 100% this is the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen in government. I’m sick of seeing my paycheck get raped in taxes while these fucking crackhead politicians divvy out to their friends. It’s a scam and this blowing it up, I’m loving it.

Okay Mogul, just to confirm, you agree with freedom of speech in general, but support making it illegal to cheer for Hamas, or even to make statements against Israel or racist starements against Jews correct?

Which you can do, i just dont get the sense in why you would also claim to be pro free speech or a constitutionalist. The constitution doesnt mention anything about limitations to freedom of speech or religion or beliefs

It seems like you cant come to terms with being a constitutionalist, and your views on free speech, and freedom of belief

^ let them have free speech in their own country, as long as they’re guests here, they have no right to stir up trouble. If they want to organize protests and disrupt everyday life, we don’t need or want them here.

^protests and disrupting everyday lfie is a different scenario, at that point its beyond free speech

Ill mention another point though. There were people at the January 6 protest wearing t shirts that said “6MWE”. Stands for 6 million wasnt enough. Referring to the holocaust

So its crazy to me that guys like mogul are so against protests where there is a Palestinian flag, but in full support of protests where the guy is wearing a t shirt basically saying he wants all jews to die.

That tells me the issue isnt with protests, nor with being anti israel- the issue is simply a personal problem with immigrants or people of different races or religions. Its no big deal for a trumper to wear pro nazi gear,

Now there is this guy, belal_donq, telling people to shoot ICE agents on sight. foxnews.com

I can't find anything on his offline identity, but I hope he can be deported like this other tikrok'er: msn.com

^is what hes saying actually true about them showing up in masks and basically kidnapping people?

I dont get it, what about all the BLM protesters who were telling people to attack or shoot cops. No calls for deportation

All this time, the so called constitutionalists line for free speech, was simply anti israel or anti ICE rhetoric. How come no right wingers are calling for Jan 6 protesters to be deported? The phrase 6MWE is arguably even worse than cheering for Hamas. Its basically cheering for Hitler

^ "I dont get it, what about all the BLM protesters who were telling people to attack or shoot cops. No calls for deportation" "How come no right wingers are calling for Jan 6 protesters to be deported?"

DUH, the Summer of Love/BLM & Jan6 rioters were NOT here illegally. You understand that, right?

Any of these groups that committed violence should be prosecuted. For JAN6, if you didn't enter the Capital and yet just outside, all were hammered, I know one.

The BLM mob just walked away. The marchers, fine. The arsonists, the shooters, those destroying property need to be prosecuted, and it is not too late.

Okay Mogul, to once again clarify your interesting and anti constitutionalist take.

If a green card holder engages in speech you dislike, you want them deported.

If a MAGA or blm protester engages in speech you dislike or disagree with, nothing should happen because “they are citizens, nowhere for them to go”.

^the immigration status of the maga protesters was never even discussed or questioned. Thats funny. That makes it blatantly obvious the issue here isnt the semantical “citizens and non citizens have different rights”

Also, who told you citizens and non citizens have different rights? Where specifically does it say free speech rights are only for citizens? Can you show me where free speech is written as only for citizens?

We all know the issue at hand here is that you just want to deport certain races, religions and liberals but you dont want to openly defy the constitution so you play this semantics game of citizens and non citizens

^you have both comprehension issues and integrity issues because you keep strawmanning me

Nobody even bothered to verify the citizenship status of the maga protesters, let alone call for deportation/any charges of any kind

Yet people like yourself are calling for deportation/criminal charges/etc on anyone espousing anti israel/anti jew speech, if it occurs in context of a pro palestine protest.

You know that the palestinian protest is more likely to have immigrants, arabs, and liberals, which is why you have such an issue with their speech, vs. no issue with maga protesters wearing clothing with 6MWE on it