Best way to approach extras
Happygolucky
As a beginner monger, I’m curious what you all would suggest is the best way to approach extras (within the club). Is it better to try and build trust through a few VIP rooms without any escalation? Is it better to talk before going private about logistics and $ involved? I’m kind of tired of just leaving the club with the bluest balls on the planet, and am trying to think about the best way to maybe leave with a little something else. I know AMPs exist, but I’m kind of over those.
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last commentRead and heed reviews here and you'll know who will rip you off or not.
Agree on what you're going to do and for how much BEFORE you go back there.
If she rips you off but insists "it'll be better next time," she'll rip you off the next time too. Maybe she'll go from covered to uncovered BJ when you've done it a few times but a ripoff is always a ripoff.
Thanks for the comment. I’m honestly just looking for an HJ, nothing more. The area I’m in doesn’t get filled with too many reviews so I haven’t seen too many people comment on extras, but I’ll keep my eyes peeled.
It’s good to know that the up front approach is fine. I don’t want to waste a ton of money in VIP just in the hope it’ll amount to something later.
Sometimes I've just asked "what am I getting for that." They'll say "I'll make you happy" or "whatever you like," but if she's not willing to give specifics, walk away.
Some guys here actually like the thrill of not knowing what they're going to get in the back and bargaining back there, but getting ripped off kills the mood.
I'm of 2 minds here depending on the type of club. Let's be honest, there are far more non-extras clubs out there than free-for-all extras clubs and they need to be approached differently. If you happen to go to a club in a city with your non-TUSCL buddies or a bachelor party, it's more than likely going to be a by-the-book club.
Let's break it down..
extras-friendly club - Definitely specify what you're looking for and price before going to VIP to confirm that you picked a girl that plays. Pay her after activities are completed.
non-extras club - I think you're better off just seeing how the conversation and test-drive single lap dance(s) go to determine if you guys have chemistry. You can then warm her up to going further with you via arousal from additional lap dances. Girls at higher end, lower mileage places are more than likely going to be turned off by asking if they want to bang when you meet them at the bar.
Disclaimer: non-extras club strategy may not have as high of a success rate if you are below average in looks or game.
always, always, always negotiate upfront. get a clear idea of exactly what she is going to do and exactly what you expected to pay.
Find out if the club you are in is known for extras of if you have to be very discreet. Ask what the various levels are for VIP. If she gives you standard quote for just a dance and times, you can inquire about more. A line I've used frequently that seems to go over well when discovering is, "I don't mean to insult you, but I'm looking for more..." because if you say that she'll know you are asking about extras. And then you can mention HJ if she doesn't get offended.
Pay after she's done, not before. Tip the timekeeper a few bucks before you go in.
A dancer's comfort with stick shifting tells you a lot. If she doesn't at all or just checks in with her knee... not a good sign. Meanwhile, if she's getting handsy before you even head back... bingo.
It really depends on the club.
My advice is somewhat backwards from the guys here. In clubs where extras are the norm I don't bother getting specific about what I want. I just agree on a price and go. I always get a few lap or table dances first, and check the vibe. Again contrary to others, I don't find there are red/green flags with specific actions. I trust my gut for how comfortable she is with me touching her and her touching me. In my experience, my approach will lead to an occasional disappointing trip to a room but its far outweighed by overall more natural feeling exchanges.
In clubs where extras aren't the norm, the first thing to accept is that you may simply not be able to get more ITC. I don't believe there are any clubs where no girls do anything extra, ever. But there are certainly clubs where it's rare enough that its not worth pursuing unless it's the thrill of the chase itself that you're after. Reading a couple reviews here and a few trips to recon should be all it takes to figure out if that's where you are.
I'll defer to others on how to maximize your mileage and perhaps get you want in a non-extras club. For me, I don't try to buck the system. The value just isn't there for me. I'll leave and find another club, accept it for what it is and have as much fun as I can, or start angling to meet up OTC. Since you're just talking about a handie, I doubt fishing for OTC is worth your time or hers.
It all depends… but generally speaking, using the reviews here you can readily identify which clubs are extras friendly and which aren’t. As mentioned above, always have the conversation before you go in the back. Be polite, be respectful. Don’t be crude, but you can be to the point.
If a girl is IT. extras friendly she’ll let you know. If she isn’t, she would be wise to let you know, just for her own comfort, security and safety. She may even direct you to someone who is if she isn’t.
In a non-extras club, it's best to ask indirectly. While making small talk with the girl, tell her you heard that guys can get extras at some of the nearby clubs. She'll probably say some girls do extras and others do not or she'll say she doesn't know anything about that. She might even say she doesn't do extras. Regardless of her answer, say you're looking for a HJ and are willing to pay the going rate. And if I can't find that here you'll be stopping in at one of the nearby clubs. Wait for her response.
Take... had good insight about extras clubs and not-so-extras club. Be aware that the dancer may worry that you are a cop. If she's bared her tits and pussy, odds are she is not a cop. So go ahead and be a little specific. (Do not try this with a streetwalker.) I've said things like, "The last time I was in here the girl had a great mouth," or "soft hands". Let her know what you want. And most (but not all) will tell you whether that's what they will deliver.
Very valuable discourse here, thank you all!
I guess the one thing I'm stuck on is whether or not you can fully profile a club as a extras or non extras club. Isn't it heavily reliant on a case-by-case for the dancer? Like I said I'm a beginner, so maybe over time it becomes apparent that clubs have similar vibes and women and that's just how it is.
Only issue is the club I'm a regular at doesn't really have much detail about whether or not extras are possible. I imagine this leans towards it not being a place where it's easy for extras, but who knows. If anyone has been to Millstream Inn and wants to check out their page or share personal experiences, that would be awesome!
Dolfan’s post pretty much sums up the entire point, one more thing he didn’t mention is as long as you’re respectful to her, you don’t need to worry about her getting offended, chances are she’s heard it all and worse before. I’m not saying to grab her by the pussy, but you don’t need to beat around the bush either.
Thanks. Good advice
Ask NICELY and don't be a butthead. Start with something easy like OTP, then if willing, ask what else she'll do. Politeness carries a ton of good karma.
2A. In a small number of clubs, it is blatantly obvious what is or isn't allowed. In these rare cases, #1 need not apply.
Well F! the formatting sure didn't come out as intended on that.
Regular = #1
Club vibe = #2
Exception to #2 = #2A
Cost/benefit = #3
Review = #4
^ Yeah, @founder , the site seems to have problems with bulleted lists.
===> "Meanwhile, if she's getting handsy before you even head back... bingo."
Not necessarily Mr. PAWG Patrol. There are many savvy strippers who will give you the stripper handshake on the floor to get you in the back, upon which you quickly learn that it was the best most action you're going to see, lol. They count on your brain going soft enough that you don't think to ask questions upfront.
As others have said, one must always negotiate it out beforehand.
I haven't been to Millstream Inn, but out of curiosity I read some reviews. The club has a tip walk and the club is a pasties or bikini club. The posted price of a dance is paid to the club and again to the dancer. There are no lap dances, just VIP dances which are no contact air dances. If any of what I read is true, I would be looking for another club and not waste my time there.
Go to Indulge on The Block in downtown Baltimore, 20 minutes from Millstream. Chat with a dancer and when she pitches VIP, ask her how much fun you can have. If she says "I just dance" conclude the conversation and hold out for one who says you can have lots of fun. If all you want is a HJ, fine, but it'll probably cost you the same for FS.
@happygolucky I think if you've been to a club THAT many times - it should be apparent if extras are commonplace. You should see frequent stripper handshake greetings (grabbing your junk when they approach) and just generally aggressive asks for dances. If you havent seen any of that, you most likely are not in an extras club. Also, extras clubs tend to have less emphasis on stage dancing - it's more of an afterthought than a main attraction. So if there's a lot of emphasis on stage tricks and hoopla like that - I'd wager you're not in a brothel.
Just ask her if she hoes and how much she charges. Its not like she hasnt been asked before
The best way I've found to approach extras is to book a plane ticket to FLL, DTW, or SAN.
The good news is HJ are probably the least intimate amongst all the extras.. you should find numerous girls willing to do those.. I wouldnt ever pay more than $100 for one or $150 if its combined with standard lapdance touching.
It was easy, god bless you all
I dont think dancers will charge the same for a HJ as for FS. It will always vary dancer to dancer. The amount of time needed is always a factor that drives the price too.
Also i definitely wouldnt follow iceys of advice of “asking her if she hoes”. Its true that on a technical level, even nude lapdances can be considered a form of prostitution or whoring, let alone actual sex acts and extras. Its still disrespectful to call a dancer or an escort a hoe. Even if she is a “hoe”, calling her one can reduce the chances of you getting extras. You could say it’s comparable to a dancer referring to customers as simps or pathetic losers. Its also comparable to referring to a dancers husband or boyfriend as a pimp. Yes technically they are a pimp if theyre profiting or benefiting off her sex acts.. its still disrespectful to refer to them as a pimp
You don't go to a sushi restaurant and then get disappointed hamburgers aren't on the menu. Read the reviews and this board to learn about mileage available.
Club during day shift. If no clubs near you have day shift it's not a good sign.
If you're willing to pay market rates, the right club makes all the difference. If you want bang for your buck you need to shop around and negotiate and be willing to walk away even if she's smoking hot.