YMMV

My former ATF had been doing it in the club for two years and she wouldn't do it OTC. I didn't get it because we started out doing it with a condom, to forgoing it. O.K., she'll let me fuck her without a condom in the club, but won't go down the street with me. I didn't get it either.

It is a safety issue. There have been many customers that have posted on here that they would never take a stripper to a hotel room or to their home. They worry about all sorts of evil things that could happen. It is the same for many dancers. The feel safer ITC. They feel that getting busted ITC is less riskier than losing their lives to some nut. Trust is a short word but it has big meanings.

Safety is certainly an issue. Also some just want a clean separation from ITC and OTC (I think this is in part to help their own compartmentalization, but also the customer's as well: I can imagine doing OTC with a customer ups their chance of becoming overly attached. Some unscrupulous strippers want that so they can milk the poor saps, but others would rather avoid it).

Also OTC is always a big hassle in terms of time compared to fucking dozens of guys in one afternoon ITC.

And then there are probably a half dozen other reasons that would make no logical sense to customers and you would have be a stripper, or at least female to understand.

Gambling dancer told me even the most generous most honest most considerate customer in the club can be a dangerous nut case OTC. She spoke with conviction and I think dancers new to business should hear her words and give them serious consideration.

This is a woman who is used to dealing with very violent people in her regular life outside the club and yet she had a real fear of customers who appeared to be wonderful.

Of course, she could have been buttering me up---she is a con artist and a good one, but she said I was the exception in that I was much nicer OTC than ITC. Probably because I put real effort in making dancers feel safe and secure OTC while ITC, I figured they had the bouncers.

Dudester: you fuck her without a condom? We all get carried away sometimes (me too) but aren't you afraid of getting her pregnant?

shadowcat: I agree; trust is the key to OTC. That's why the high quality escorts will insist on getting your real name. There's an escort national "blacklist" where they keep keep track of guys who are crazy or violent or just rip off the girls. On the other hand TER has a white list where the girls can vouch for guys who are safe and reliable. If I'm interested in a girl, I will let her know my real name, show her my ID, etc., right out of the box, so she knows she can trust me.

I don't see what the heck TER or escorts have to do with this site. Personally, I don't really even appreciate most of the crap we hear about OTC on this site. I think this site is mainly about ITC, and OTC should be kept to a minimal side issue IMHO. And I am sure a lot of you guys feel strongly the importance of OTC with girls you meet ITC, and I kinda see your point. But I don't see why we continually hear about TER and professional escorts. That is a whole different industry.

After re-reading the initial post by Shekitout, I have another comment. Shouldn't the posted TOPIC and the opening discussion be congruent? Shekitout titles the thread "YMMV" which is a good topic, but most of his opening has to do with COST not MILEAGE. End of rant.

YMMV is one of the most important principles of stripclubbing, regardless of cost. It is central to the thrill, the satisfaction, and the frustration of the whole hobby. OF COURSE it varies from time to time with the same girl. Some girls will change their attitude, and therefore their rules, rapidly on the same day (or night). One must stay alert and flexible.

Hi arbeeguy,

Some of the strippers I've known thru the years were professional escorts as well or at least tried it. Yeah, a whole different industry, however, still the sex industry and some strippers wear multiple hats. They don't limit themselves to just being strippers. Some strippers also work in adult films and to the extent strippers are in adult films, I think it is of interest and on topic.

Hell, even if the strippers were working outside the sex industry I think it might be of legitimate interest. For example, it your favorite stripper is a police officer or school teacher it is of interest because it, imo, breaks to some extent stereotypical prejudices.

arbeeguy: Sorry to cause you such consternation! I stay pretty on point, with all due respect. You don't see me starting a thread about the price of gas or the supreme court's latest decision on gun control. I think you'd agree that OTC experiences with girls is a pretty commmon topic on this board, and I think that's because a lot of guys either do it or would like to do it. I fail to see why it should be kept to a minimum; for some of us, it's greatly preferred to ITC experiences. If someone never wants to have sex, or at least never OTC, that's fine with me, but I don't know why I should feel guilty about feeling otherwise. My goal in going to a club is primarily for sex. Your goal might be completely different, and that's fine, but I don't see why your goal is "right" and mine is "wrong." As for escorts, I agree it's a different slice of the industry, but I don't agree it is completely unrelated. A lot of guys hobby in a variety of different ways -- some via strip clubs, some escorts, some amps. In a given week you might do all three (why not?). I believe we have entire articles on this site devoted to amps (not to mention a number of other extraneous subjects). I don't think this should be turned into an amp board or an escort board, but the topics do overlap. Just pointing out the analogy between a stripper who wants a level of trust before she goes OTC, and an escort who does the same, should not be that much of a flow disturber.

But I've blabbed. Tell me, why do you find discussions about OTC so offensive?

"Anyone else run into this?"

Yea, she's milking you dry and ripping you off.

Hi Shekitout,

Unfortunately, the answer is YES! Both as to price and quality. Sometimes the price was merely an introductory deal or she was desperate or it is inflation or etc. Quality could be just a question of her mood or she might just take a good customer for granted real quick. One dancer that I knew had a policy to go all out with a new customer, but future business was much tamer. She said she didn't want the customer getting to chummy or attached and preferred "cold encounters." By cold encounters it doesn't refer to the acts which could be smoking hot and "nasty," but instead refers to her knowledge of the customer. She'd rather fuck a complete stranger than someone she is getting to know and she prefers fresh to repeat.

Can't blame a dancer at all for not wanting to do OTC.

njscfan,

Actually Kat and I had a lot in common. It wasn't just a case of a stripper milking some dummy, we could talk for hours, and did, about our favorite singers and authors. I think we had more in common than most husbands and wives. Getting her pregnant would've forced us to interact OTC. She was developing feelings for me and thats why she suddenly changed clubs and hours. For some reason she didn't want emotional attachments. I picked this up the last few times we got together. She wouldn't explain why she felt that way.

Dudester

I sounds like you are say you would have NOT minded getting her pregnant. Fascinating.

What the abbreviation YMMV mean?

YMMV = Your mileage may vary. It's an old hobbying phrase, to refer to the fact that when you go to a particular venue (or even spend time with one particular girl), your experience might not exactly match the experience of another customer (or even your experience the last time you saw her). So if a girl let me have sex with her one time, it does not mean that you will be able to have sex with the same girl, or even that she will have sex with me the next time I see her.

In the case of the OP, I don't think this is actually a case of YMMV. Rather, I think it is a case of an "upsell," that is where the girl starts charging more, because she thinks she has you on the hook. When guys are in the VIP and they have a pile of money and a throbbing dick in their pants, they can often be talked into spilling a lot of that money in order to spill something else. It's called thinking with the little head.

$10 one way or the other is a deal breaker for these cheap old men. Jesus Christ just eat cat food from K-Mart and save your social security income for the dancers!

parodyman: Double fuck you! Why don't you get a real life & stay off this board?
arbeeguy: My topic dealt with mileage but in this case, the mileage was related to the cost so that's why cost was entered into the topic.