Conversation advice for rapport building, info gathering, and price negotiation?

1. Conversation: she does this 10 times a day, and she's way better at it than you are. Listen, use empathy, and follow her lead.

2. Negotiating. In my experience (a) this always works, but (b) is never a good idea. Most of what you want is highly subjective, and you don't want her preoccupied with the idea that she lost something.

My strong advice is to stick with dancers with good hustle. They are focused on how much money they will walk out of the club with. It's not they dislike talking to you. But, they are going to prefer the customers with whom they make the most dollars per minute. So, keep the talking to the minimum, just cover what you need to know to decide if you want dances with her. Or, pay as much for talking as you would for dancing. Or, try to come at her slow times, when her goal dollars per minute will be lower.

Yes, there are dancers who are not so focused on money. In my experience, they've always been self-defeating people, to some degree or another. They will spend a lot of time just hanging out with customers, not making money. But they usually pick the customers who are making the biggest train wrecks of their lives.

Tell her what you want. If you want to do fiv, bbbj, tell her. Not all sex workers will offer what you seek so better to state what you seek right off the bat so you're not wasting your time. Never accept vague promises of a "great time."

If she starts with a price more than you think you should pay, tell her "I won't be able to meet your rate." If she's smart, she'll then state something more realistic. This site and clubs are populated by white knights and members of the worship culture will gladly pay a lot for very little. Don't be one of those guys, she's counting on it.

Once in vip, show her you have the money but don't pay her until she delivered. You can also tell her this before going back that you don't prepay. Again, these sex workers are looking to get the better of guys who allow them to do it.

You're likely to get wildly varied responses. Your area, the types of clubs and strippers you like, and your personal style will have to come in to play to find something that works for you.

For me, on the topic of conversation, I'm not an exceptional conversationalist. I usually try to read the room. I also don't really do a whole lot of talking the first time I meet them. I like to build a little rapport, but I don't like to waste my time blabbing away with a girl who gives shitty dances/rooms any more than they want to waste their time talking to a customer who doesn't spend. On subsequent visits, usually I'll pick up a previous topic and go into it more. I absolutely do not pay them just to talk, certainly not at the rate I would for dances. That's insane to me. If I engage with a girl for an extended period, and then for some reason do not end up getting dances I might toss her a few bucks for leading her on or to encourage her to try again if it wasn't her fault I'm bailing.

As far as negotiating and getting super specific about those sorts of things. My recommendation is don't do it. You're on this site, read the reviews for the club you're going to and know what's typical in terms of extras and cost. I simply turn down offers that are way above market, I find the girls who want to haggle aren't worth the effort. Or perhaps they feel the same, either way. It's not a match and time to move on. Girls who are slightly above market, I evaluate. If I feel she's hot enough and I've gotten a good vibe I'll just pay it. Usually though, I try to avoid that whole scenario by simply offering what I feel is market rate and refusing to haggle. I've found this approach to work best for me.

When it comes to things like kissing, oral, condom use, I absolutely do not discuss those sort of details. Best case, she agrees and it becomes mechanical. She knows she's gotta kiss you, let you lick her nipples and/or pussy or whatever, do a cbj, and fuck. She's gonna do each one for 15 seconds before checking off the next item on the punchlist. More common, you call attention to it and she decides she'd rather not do that shit. I roll the dice and let things happen naturally. Sure, sometimes I get a dud. But you learn quickly to identify those girls out front or during a few dances. You should be able to get a vibe during a couple of lap dances. Pay attention during the dance, if you go to kiss her and she pulls away, take the hint and respect the boundaries. Don't assume reluctance to d one thing will apply to everything, often times girls will just have one or two things they prefer not to do for whatever reason, while they're open and free in other areas.

I guess if you don't know how to talk to women, a strip club would be a good sandbox to rehearse in. If you are that inexperienced and insecure around women, then you likely also need to be warned: She is not your girlfriend. She is not going to be your girlfriend. She does not want to be your girlfriend. Anything she says about being your girlfriend is meant to get as much money from you as she can.

If a dancer is extras-oriented, I agree with others that you don’t need to have “game” be a sparkling conversationalist. Just don’t be so creepy or obnoxious that she decides she doesn’t want to take your money. If she says she’ll do “everything” for an agreed price, that should mean PIV intercourse, usually preceded by a BJ. I agree with Dolan about not getting into granular details beyond that. If she’s into making out with customers, it’ll happen. If you’re into putting your finger or your face into her vag, slowly signal your intentions by movement in that direction. She’ll let you know if it’s not on the table. She’s already agreed to fuck you, so it is highly unlikely that she’ll get offended and throw you out of the VIP for you making overtures toward something she’s probably been doing with non-paying partners since she was in middle school. I will note that s lot of women with otherwise wide-open menus draw the line at digital penetration, either because of concern over infection or because they just don’t like it. OTOH, a lot really groove on it, maybe because most guys don’t last long enough inside them to get them off

Thank you everyone so much for the advice, it definitely helped me understand the scenes better. Specific thanks to Mickey48066, Dolfan, Manuellabore. I like the idea of slowly signaling my intentions and taking hints and respecting boundaries. Again, thank you guys for the advice.

Everyone here posted great advice, my method lately is close to Mickey's. I always negotiate, but I don't give a number, unless she's like a 9/10. You have like one minute to keep her interested so have a good line ready, my latest go to: "Don't you make enough money modeling?" or "Is it hard dealing with all the other girls' jealousy?" Then I ask how her dances are. The best answer is along the lines of "what are you into?" (Depending on how the conversation goes, you can ask her that). Then ask service price. If you keep this short, send her away and tell her you'll think about it. 7/10 for me she comes back to negotiate. The real trick is avoiding mechanics.

You've got some great advice in here OP, and I'll offer a few more cents:

Re: Conversation. Good topics to ask her about include: music, her hobbies, where she's from, if she likes to travel (and where), information about the club or if she's worked at other clubs in the area.

Re: Negotiating. I have a few tips:

• The most important part of negotiating is being an informed buyer. Read lots of reviews and know what prices to expect at your club of choice.
• Negotiate, don't haggle on price. Things to negotiate on include time and services. You don't have to negotiate every act. However, if something is particularly important to you (DFK, DATY or both), say so and be direct.
• The reason not to haggle on price is you don't want her to resent giving you a discount and to receive subpar service.
• If the price is too high, or she doesn't offer services that interest you, politely tell her no thanks and find someone else.